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[Johnathan Tanner]

This game is gonna lose a lot of players real soon.

[The Lighthouse]

I mean, look at two builds. This problematic Deathstrike. This is the exact same build I use:

DEATHSTRIKE



Now, with this PTS change, pretty much everyone figured out this build.


DEATHSTRIKE

With PTS changes, this build will do 15.75 + 30 + 30 = 75.75 Damage. Only missing 4.25, some speed and massive increase of effective range thanks to additional CERLL.

Like, these changes hardly affect those 3 troublesome mechs, and massively affect rest of Clan mechs.

[justcallme A S H]

S t P a u l y, on 06 July 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

Triple C-LPL is going to be great

On what mech exactly? Im keen to know because for 33 damage with 18T of weapon. That is do incredibly inefficient it's not funny.
A EBJ with 3 x cLPL/2 x cERML for instance only has a 43.5pt Alpha with no quirks to speak of. Even worse for a tonnage locked mech like a HBR.

While a GHP-5H has what 52pt Alpha with mega quirks (for this say and age).

The 'Classic' EBJ with 2 x cLPL/6 x cERML still has 53.5 Alpha... So yeah, please tell me how 3 cLPL is gojng to be "great".

The Lighthouse, on 07 July 2018 - 12:25 AM, said:

I mean, look at two builds. This problematic Deathstrike. This is the exact same build I use:

DEATHSTRIKE

Now, with this PTS change, pretty much everyone figured out this build.

DEATHSTRIKE

With PTS changes, this build will do 15.75 + 30 + 30 = 75.75 Damage. Only missing 4.25, some speed and massive increase of effective range thanks to additional CERLL.

Like, these changes hardly affect those 3 troublesome mechs, and massively affect rest of Clan mechs.

Exactly. I'll agree with you on this one.

PGI are "fixing" the BOOGEYMAN but actually giving us a better one that has 300m more useable range.

This whole thing is utterly, short-sighted and totally lacking of any understanding of the game.

Hydrocarbon, on 06 July 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

Does anyone know where this "majority of players that commented" who preferred these changes that PGI is talking about?

They don't seem to be posting much on the forum, like, you know, you'd expect if they were the majority of players...

No idea.

They didn't come from the Forums, Reddit or Twitter.

So unless they received 500+ emails saying 'yes we want it... Which we know isn't the case... I don't by the "majority" claim for a second. Either that or they have missed they ball with what people were meaning vs what we ended up with.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 07 July 2018 - 12:44 AM.

[The Lighthouse]

Vee Vee, on 07 July 2018 - 12:46 AM, said:

30 damage Ash. Yes really.

Current cLPL does 12, after the nerf it will do 11.

Yes, IS LPL kind of sucks but at least it still has godlike 0.67 burn time, which is pretty much pinpoint damage.



That said, I looked into nerfed cERML vs isERML.


Clan:
5.25 damage
5.7 heat
4 seconds CD
same 1.25 sec burn duration!
+40m range

IS:
5 damage.
4.5 heat
4 seconds CD
0.9 sec burn duration.


...am I seeing this right, for just 0.25 damage and +40m optimal range, Clan ERML is inferior to IS ERML, in every other single ways.


hmmmm....

[justcallme A S H]

Vee Vee, on 07 July 2018 - 12:46 AM, said:

30 damage Ash. Yes really.

33pt for cLPL. Down from 36pt

You're looking at cERL.

[Nema Nabojiv]

There is one good idea in all that pile of сrap - increasing GH on large lasers. Provided of course they will also allow 4 IS larges to keep things even.

[LordNothing]

Hydrocarbon, on 06 July 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

Does anyone know where this "majority of players that commented" who preferred these changes that PGI is talking about?

They don't seem to be posting much on the forum, like, you know, you'd expect if they were the majority of players...

its a smoke screen. a vocal minority has cast its finger upon a thing they want fixed and pgi doesnt really see anything wrong with that thing in their metrics. even if the problem isnt real they need to do something to show they did something. but without understanding the problem (their metrics indicate that its not a problem) so the thing they change has nothing to do with the problem, be it real or otherwise.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 July 2018 - 02:04 AM.

[Bishop Six]

LordNothing, on 07 July 2018 - 02:03 AM, said:

a vocal minority has cast its finger upon a thing...

But WHO & WHERE????

I want to know about these miracle communication channels!

[LordNothing]

Bishop Six, on 07 July 2018 - 02:08 AM, said:

But WHO & WHERE????

I want to know about these miracle communication channels!

probably the twitter crowd.

[Snowhawk]

The Lighthouse, on 07 July 2018 - 01:01 AM, said:

That said, I looked into nerfed cERML vs isERML.

Clan:
5.25 damage
5.7 heat
4 seconds CD
same 1.25 sec burn duration!
+40m range

IS:
5 damage.
4.5 heat
4 seconds CD
0.9 sec burn duration.

...am I seeing this right, for just 0.25 damage and +40m optimal range, Clan ERML is inferior to IS ERML, in every other single ways.

Pgi is going from one extreme to the other… the pendulum swings in in favor of the Is-players.
In the end, all weapons will have the same values, then we will have "balance"...

[Bishop Six]

LordNothing, on 07 July 2018 - 02:09 AM, said:

probably the twitter crowd.

Well im twittering all the official channels for weeks...no single reaction.

Sometimes i think they are European-phobic, no joke.

[LordNothing]

Bishop Six, on 07 July 2018 - 02:17 AM, said:

Well im twittering all the official channels for weeks...no single reaction.

Sometimes i think they are European-phobic, no joke.

they probably filter out most of them. i bet there are a few select members of the player base they interact with regularly. and if you aren't one of them you go to the bottom of their priority.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 July 2018 - 02:22 AM.

[The Lighthouse]

Both twitter and Reddit are like, really, really, really bad for actual communications.

Both platforms provide tools for people to only listen to what they like, not what they don't like.


Despite being 'too old', plain forums like these are far better, without word restrictions, or forced disappearance due to date, etc.

....this is off-topic, but rise of instant communications such as twitter, reddit, and its predecessor, Digg, and others didn't do humanity good effects.

[Bishop Six]

The Lighthouse, on 07 July 2018 - 02:26 AM, said:

Both twitter and Reddit are like, really, really, really bad for actual communications.

Both platforms provide tools for people to only listen to what they like, not what they don't like.


Despite being 'too old', plain forums like these are far better, without word restrictions, or forced disappearance due to date, etc.

....this is off-topic, but rise of instant communications such as twitter, reddit, and its predecessor, Digg, and others didn't do humanity good effects.

I didnt find ANY channel to communicate with them.

Email, Twitter, Threads here...nothing. I could call them per phone, maybe this will work.

[Erik Krieger]

I own 130 Clan and 130 IS Mechs. And I can play ALL OF THEM successfully! There just is no problem with competing against an Clan Mech with an IS Mech. So why this nerf?

I don't want a sex change surgery for Clan lasers to become a bad copy of IS lasers. In contrast to many people these days, I truly like diverseness, which means that things not only ARE different, but also that i want to preserve them that way so they will STAY different...

To claim to keep diversity while destroying it by removing their differences is lunatic or just dishonest.

Edited by NobleSavage, 07 July 2018 - 02:55 AM.

[IronEleven]

LordBraxton, on 06 July 2018 - 10:14 PM, said:

I only use clan mechs because they are so overpowered, and as long as the clan horde keeps whining loudly like this Ill never need to use my IS mechs again. Clan whine is so strong. That being said, Id prefer PGI vomit a ton of extra armor buffs on virtually every IS mech and leave clan lasers where they are,

I'm a Kurita loyalist and these are awful changes that are going to screw over many more mechs than the HBR, EBJ, and Deathstrike.

[Abaddun]

I can see why PGI are adjusting the balance in this way, but I believe they are going about it the wrong way. I would have suggested keeping clan laser stats relatively unchanged but setting the bulk of the damage to ramp up towards the end of the laser burn rather than distributing the damage evenly.

[Monkey Lover]

The Lighthouse, on 07 July 2018 - 01:01 AM, said:

Current cLPL does 12, after the nerf it will do 11.

Yes, IS LPL kind of sucks but at least it still has godlike 0.67 burn time, which is pretty much pinpoint damage.



That said, I looked into nerfed cERML vs isERML.


Clan:
5.25 damage
5.7 heat
4 seconds CD
same 1.25 sec burn duration!
+40m range

IS:
5 damage.
4.5 heat
4 seconds CD
0.9 sec burn duration.


...am I seeing this right, for just 0.25 damage and +40m optimal range, Clan ERML is inferior to IS ERML, in every other single ways.


hmmmm....

This standard PGI game play. The PTS is basically for show they have what they want to do. You can see it in this plan. They will over nerf everything. They will cut the nerfs in half back to what the wanted and push it live.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 08 July 2018 - 12:13 AM.

[Erik Krieger]

If PGI nerfs Clan Lasers like that I will never ever again spend one lousy Cent into this game. And I spended very very much money already in this game...

If you want Feedback, PGI, that's what I have to say to your plans... and I think I am not alone...

[SFC174]

Better get your hellfire refunds now people.....just sayin