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[MischiefSC]

So it seems like the LRM buff has people taking a lot of AMS. For 7 games straight the team with the most LRMs lost, every time, and decisively.

People are realizing that shooting down missiles buffs match score significantly too. Do decent damage, get a couple of kills, shoot down 600 missiles and get a 500-600 match score.

My fear now is that people will stop bringing LRMs and the gravy train will stop before the irony of it stops being funny.

Edited by MischiefSC, 17 July 2018 - 11:50 AM.

[HammerMaster]

Irony I guess.

[Phoenix 72]

Well, I only have time to play on weekends, so I guess I will find out then. Wonder whether that means I can stop skilling my Crab 27 and can continue with the Phoenix Hawk and Night Gyr.

[Novakaine]

Never shoot at the mech with or near the ams bubble

[Lightfoot]

uh, there was no LRM buff. Clan LRMs were nerfed again....why nerf LRM 5 accuracy??, better accuracy is their hallmark. With MWO's ghost heat nerf, LRM 5 should be 3.5 spread.

Was anyone overheating when firing LRMs? I never did. LRMs problem is they are so inaccurate they are only suitable for Assault mech LRM boats. They are even more so now so no, not a buff, a big nerf disguised as a buff.

Here ya had me thinking of dusting off my Mad Dog LRM, but I'll just go do something else.

[MischiefSC]

Yeah but like 3 or 4 people on each team have 1-3 AMS each now. I'm running a THD 9S with 2 AMS and shooting down 300-600 missiles or more each match. It would be more but everyone has AMS. It is pretty brutal.

[Eisenhorne]

Just take 4000+ LRM rounds on your LRM boat. A 3 AMS boat will go dry after taking down like what, 1300 missiles? A decent LRM boat should be able to unload that in a minute or two of sustained fire, especially after the heat buffs. Unless the enemy team has an equal number of triple AMS kit foxes to your missile boats, then the missile boats can break through the AMS eventually.

If they have LAMS, then you're just gonna overheat them and they win.

If you have LRM boats packing 6 medium lasers and only 2,000 rounds of LRM ammo... well then they are boating LRM's wrong and should ditch the backups so that AMS cannot effectively counter them. Unless you already have 4k rounds minimum, taking backup weapons is pointless because you're just ensuring you suck at direct fire AND LRM boating.

[MischiefSC]

I just played a map on Polar vs some of the more skilled LRM players you'll find outside of comp. They brought a lot of LRMs - my side had NINE AMS total. 3 guys with 2xAMS and a 3xAMS Kitfox. We just sorta moved up in a tight bundle and shot the LRM boats last. It was effectively 12 v 8. We didn't even bother much with cover, we didn't have to. The biggest threat was the LL boating Stalker.

Admittedly I was also luckily on a pug team that stuck together and followed calls. However, NINE AMS. At one point I was laughing like a maniac watching 200+ tubes worth of LRMs arcing up in the sky and back toward me just.... dissolve. I was probably taking 10-15 LRMs out of each salvo of 200 or so.

I've started voting for the LRM favoring maps. It's crazy. I just hit 25 matches in QP and have a 4.0 w/l. I'm not that good of a player but this just feels almost exploitable. Start the match, advise your teammates that if they stay together they can layer AMS and that if the LRM boats will stick with the team you can protect them from lights. Boom. QP Murderball. Then call some targets to get the party rolling and don't be afraid to be out in front.

I hope people keep doing what they're doing.

Edited by MischiefSC, 17 July 2018 - 01:28 PM.

[Kubernetes]

Eisenhorne, on 17 July 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Just take 4000+ LRM rounds on your LRM boat. A 3 AMS boat will go dry after taking down like what, 1300 missiles? A decent LRM boat should be able to unload that in a minute or two of sustained fire, especially after the heat buffs. Unless the enemy team has an equal number of triple AMS kit foxes to your missile boats, then the missile boats can break through the AMS eventually.

If they have LAMS, then you're just gonna overheat them and they win.

If you have LRM boats packing 6 medium lasers and only 2,000 rounds of LRM ammo... well then they are boating LRM's wrong and should ditch the backups so that AMS cannot effectively counter them. Unless you already have 4k rounds minimum, taking backup weapons is pointless because you're just ensuring you suck at direct fire AND LRM boating.

Right, and while you spend several minutes firing off 1000s of missiles... what, the enemy is just sitting in place waiting for their AMS to run out? No, you're dead because they overran your position because your 100 tons of useless couldn't output any damage.

[MischiefSC]

Kubernetes, on 17 July 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

Right, and while you spend several minutes firing off 1000s of missiles... what, the enemy is just sitting in place waiting for their AMS to run out? No, you're dead because they overran your position because your 100 tons of useless couldn't output any damage.

Kinda, yeah. You're winning trades fighting 12v8 so before your AMS bins are empty you can push in and roll the other team. When the fight reaches that point your team has taken less overall damage.

It's a math that works well in QP if you're willing to speak up and point out the potential to your teammates.

[Eisenhorne]

Kubernetes, on 17 July 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

Right, and while you spend several minutes firing off 1000s of missiles... what, the enemy is just sitting in place waiting for their AMS to run out?

That is my experience with QP, yes. It's dumb, but that's what happens in most of my games.

MischiefSC, on 17 July 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

Kinda, yeah. You're winning trades fighting 12v8 so before your AMS bins are empty you can push in and roll the other team. When the fight reaches that point your team has taken less overall damage.

It's a math that works well in QP if you're willing to speak up and point out the potential to your teammates.

Assuming your teammates aren't potatoes and actually listen, then yes this will work. That's a pretty big assumption in QP... it's my experience that most of them don't listen to anything you say even if it's a good idea.

Edited by Eisenhorne, 17 July 2018 - 01:49 PM.

[HammerMaster]

So. AMS works? No kidding. How long have we been telling antiLRM whiners this?

[Alkabides]

Cyclops 10-Q has big troll grin today. AMS be damned, you can’t cold back all the rain... muahahaha.

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 17 July 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

So it seems like the LRM buff has people taking a lot of AMS. For 7 games straight the team with the most LRMs lost, every time, and decisively.

People are realizing that shooting down missiles buffs match score significantly too. Do decent damage, get a couple of kills, shoot down 600 missiles and get a 500-600 match score.

My fear now is that people will stop bringing LRMs and the gravy train will stop before the irony of it stops being funny.

balance choices in MWO backfire? IMPOSSIBRU!!!

[UnofficialOperator]

lol 3ams, 0 kills 400 matchscore!!!

Muahahaha

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 17 July 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

So it seems like the LRM buff has people taking a lot of AMS. For 7 games straight the team with the most LRMs lost, every time, and decisively.

People are realizing that shooting down missiles buffs match score significantly too. Do decent damage, get a couple of kills, shoot down 600 missiles and get a 500-600 match score.

My fear now is that people will stop bringing LRMs and the gravy train will stop before the irony of it stops being funny.

Yeah....seems to be feast or famine. It's either no AMS and we fight in the Shade, or ALL AMS like you said. Frustrating part is I'm 4 for 4 on the coinflip for picking the wrong loadout, lol.

[A Man In A Can]

Expected. Please continue the punishment, good sir. You are doing true LRM users a favor by killing the weeds.

[Mystere]

I just don't get it!

People actually started to use their brains, prepared for the inevitable, and some of you are complaining?

OMFG! You people are hopeless. <smh>

[Appogee]

Eisenhorne, on 17 July 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

Assuming your QP teammates aren't potatoes and actually listen...

I stopped reading at this point.

[Naglinator]

I've only shotdown 1417 missles in one game. Still waiting for Polar Highlands...

Edited by Naglinator, 17 July 2018 - 07:04 PM.