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[Vonbach]

MGs should have on crit chance base not 12 times the crit chance. The Piranha is broken.
Machine guns aren't the issue boating twelve of them is.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Judah Malganis, on 23 July 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

Then MGs would need a damage buff, and then player complaints will go from "I hate how MGs chew up weapons" to "Now they chew up armor too fast".

And? They are a high risk weapon in that they require you to get stupid close, they better being doing some damage. If we are wanting to protect spuds, I'm just here to say there is only so much you can protect them. I wouldn't even care if they got minor heat added to them like Gauss needs.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 23 July 2018 - 04:18 PM.

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Judah Malganis, on 23 July 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

Then MGs would need a damage buff, and then player complaints will go from "I hate how MGs chew up weapons" to "Now they chew up armor too fast".

Yeonne Greene, on 22 July 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

People are already complaining about MGs chewing through armor.

Joke is on them, though, I can chew through their armor much faster with literally any other weapon system. That's sort of the issue: MGs require more risk in play than lasers, missiles, or ACs, but they are only really viable on 'Mechs that can bring more than 8 unless that 'Mech also has decent energy complements.

[kilgor]

Since MWO ranges and cooldowns were originally based on Solaris VII rules, the MG had a definite advantage if you could pack a lot of them and get in close. I believe there was a Bushwacker example that had something like 6 MGs that could defeat most opponents easily since MGs had no cooldown time. It's not bad that MGs can do that, but it is bad that you can barely scratch a Piranha after hitting them with 5 Medium Lasers a few times as it's approaching you.

[Phlynn]

Has anyone seen a piranha face time in a match? Generally, they run in circles and spray just looking for a lucky crit for the easy kill. Playing a match where 1 light ties up 6 mechs for 3 minutes usually isn't anything to do with the "skill" of the light pilot. They are alive because of game mechanics: torso speed, pitch/yaw, terrain modifiers, and weapons limitations (missile spread, laser duration for damage, etc.)

A lone assault will normally get mobbed, because most players think they can kill it in about any mech. A lone light, and a players are avoiding it - huddling together for protection or running to hide behind terrain until it goes away.

Sure, there is a handful of players that hunt lights - but most other light players prefer to get the points from killing a large mech. More to damage - bigger score and less chance of dying.

Edited by Phlynn, 23 July 2018 - 07:32 PM.

[Prototelis]

I go fight the other lights as soon as I can and as unfairly as I can.

When backstab your lrm buddy no one will come to save him if all the lights are dead or afraid of me.

[Weeny Machine]

Phlynn, on 23 July 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

Has anyone seen a piranha face time in a match? Generally, they run in circles and spray just looking for a lucky crit for the easy kill. Playing a match where 1 light ties up 6 mechs for 3 minutes usually isn't anything to do with the "skill" of the light pilot. They are alive because of game mechanics: torso speed, pitch/yaw, terrain modifiers, and weapons limitations (missile spread, laser duration for damage, etc.)

A lone assault will normally get mobbed, because most players think they can kill it in about any mech. A lone light, and a players are avoiding it - huddling together for protection or running to hide behind terrain until it goes away.

Sure, there is a handful of players that hunt lights - but most other light players prefer to get the points from killing a large mech. More to damage - bigger score and less chance of dying.

Actually the PIRs also rely on the potato factor of the enemy. If someone cannot aim properly, pays no heed to its surroundings or gets out of position, the PIR can strike.

Let's be frank, the whole complaining is about a weapon system which has abysmal short range, needs face-time, has no alpha capability. Says it all...

[Vonbach]

Bush Hopper, on 24 July 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Actually the PIRs also rely on the potato factor of the enemy. If someone cannot aim properly, pays no heed to its surroundings or gets out of position, the PIR can strike.

Let's be frank, the whole complaining is about a weapon system which has abysmal short range, needs face-time, has no alpha capability. Says it all...

Actually Piranhas rely on broken mechanics and small size to kill enemies. All you do is run up wave your Machine guns around then run away. There's no skill involved. Just crappy pgi mechanics.

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Vonbach, on 24 July 2018 - 09:43 AM, said:

There's no skill involved. Just crappy players.

FTFY

[Weeny Machine]

[Redacted]

Before I write more and get myself banned I will just say so much: If PIR 1s, or any PIR for the record, were as easy peasy and so super overpowered [Redacted], we would drown in QP matches in PIRs.
In reality you see sometimes 1 PIR per team, and not even that is common - rarely 2. This alone shows that your perception is screwed beyong belief simply because people tend to play the most easy and powerfull stuff in online pvp games (read: OP stuff).

And one last advice, and this is really not meant as an ad hominem, but [Redacted] lights, especially the tiny ones, are infurating until you learn how to properly aim and lead your pinpoint weapon. MWO's learning curve can be steep and hitting the weenies is one of those things

Edited by draiocht, 24 July 2018 - 10:59 AM.
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[Haipyng]

Nobody remembers the hey day of the FS9-S? It was the same thing. Attack from behind.


Assault- *Trundling along on his own*

FS9-S- Wuba, Wuba, Wuba

Assault- "Oh crap! My back armor is gone!"
Assault- *Turning to look for what hit him and twisting*

FS9-S- Wuba, Wuba, Wuba

Assault- "Crap! My back is red now! Help!!"
Assault- *Backing up, turning and twisting like crazy*

FS9-S- Wuba, Wuba, Wuba

Assault- *Dies*

Edited by Haipyng, 24 July 2018 - 10:32 AM.

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Haipyng, on 24 July 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Nobody remembers the hey day of the FS9-S? It was the same thing. Attack from behind.


Assault- *Trundling along on his own*

FS9-S- Wuba, Wuba, Wuba

Assault- "Oh crap! My back armor is gone!"
Assault- *Turning to look for what hit him and twisting*

FS9-S- Wuba, Wuba, Wuba

Assault- "Crap! My back is red now! Help!!"
Assault- *Backing up, turning and twisting like crazy*

FS9-S- Wuba, Wuba, Wuba

Assault- *Dies*

I think you mean the FS9-A (which boated SPLs), which caused a similar stir among spud assault players.

[Haipyng]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 July 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

I think you mean the FS9-A (which boated SPLs), which caused a similar stir among spud assault players.

It may have been. I was driving Spiders then. I was pretty envious of those Firestarters getting that close in with a mech 4 times their size and living to tell the tale.

[MechaBattler]

It's simple. We introduce a 'spooky' ammo bar. Once the bar is depleted your rate of fire is greatly reduced. Obviously one or two won't have a problem. 4 will be manageable, but you won't mindlessly jump from target to target. And 8 or more will require you to break off or commit depending on the state of the enemy.

PGI, make it so.

[KoalaBrownie]

Bush Hopper, on 22 July 2018 - 12:05 AM, said:

That's fine. I hate these double standards on this boards. As Miocast pointed out: light mechs are so easily obliterated by many things. This is ok for heavy and assault jocks but hell breaks lose if a light mech punishes their mistakes because...well, because it is a light mech and they are entitled to a victory because they chose the heavier mech in the mechlab

Light mechs are already too durable as is, often receiving several tonnes worth of free armour turning them into very fast mediums. That's fine if you want all mechs buffed and nerfed towards the centre, but it makes things awfully generic.

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KoalaBrownie, on 24 July 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Light mechs are already too durable as is

lolwut

[Weeny Machine]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 July 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

lolwut

Generally speaking...isn't it funny that when you see posts about OP light mechs and you check the leaderboard for their light mech scores, that you nearly always find horrible scores or hardly / none matches played in light mechs for several seasons?

Just look up some people's leaderboard scores who complain about "OP light mechs" or whatever in this thread. It is eye-opening.

And if someone thinks this is bashing or not relevant...it is. After all it shows if someone is either an experienced player or rather inexperienced or if someone has real hands-on experience piloting light mechs. Remember the saying: the grass is always greener on the other side. So, playing a light mech for 50-100 matches will show you the ups and downs

Edited by Bush Hopper, 24 July 2018 - 12:15 PM.

[Mystere]

Bush Hopper, on 24 July 2018 - 10:14 AM, said:

[Redacted]

Before I write more and get myself banned I will just say so much: If PIR 1s, or any PIR for the record, were as easy peasy and so super overpowered [Redacted], we would drown in QP matches in PIRs.
In reality you see sometimes 1 PIR per team, and not even that is common - rarely 2. This alone shows that your perception is screwed beyong belief simply because people tend to play the most easy and powerfull stuff in online pvp games (read: OP stuff).

And one last advice, and this is really not meant as an ad hominem, but [Redacted] lights, especially the tiny ones, are infurating until you learn how to properly aim and lead your pinpoint weapon. MWO's learning curve can be steep and hitting the weenies is one of those things

Well, the "psychology" is: XXX killed me, therefore, XXX is OP and must be nerfed. It's really that simple when it comes to PvP games.

Edited by Mystere, 24 July 2018 - 11:52 AM.

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KoalaBrownie, on 24 July 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Light mechs are already too durable as is

noe

[Grus]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 July 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

You would think so because of equipment health, but honestly the size (and therefore chance of getting hit) matters far more. An IS UAC/10 goes poof before a Clan one does..

#doubt keep in mind as well some of the IS mechs get a %to crit reduction on top of skill maze. I can't think of one of the top of my head for clans that have that.