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[PraetorGix]

Lovely mech. Except they're still serious about nerfing the last good weapons for clans while releasing a clan mech and putting another one for pre-order. They really need a better marketing department or a new publisher. I feel bad for Alex and the great artists that work at PGI but with the exchange rate here, 20 dollars is too much money to give to a company that should provide entertainment and instead delivers increasing disappointment and frustration.

[ME-tan]

Mighty Spike, on 02 August 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

da fuq is that? The newest ego shooter game charakter or the newest japano kiddi pokemon thingy ??? Even gifted i wouldnt take that kiddie thingy.
CCRUUUUUUUSADER gime gimme gimme gimme

You do know the Crusader is from the same anime as many of the other Unseen, right?

Edited by ME-tan, 02 August 2018 - 11:31 AM.

[TheEliteMetro]

This mech looks beautiful. (I know what I’m about to say is an unpopular opinion, but get over it) I like the way PGI have been changing the lasers to fit more into the game. I personally would rather have lower cycle times than higher alphas that can only be used twice before overheating. Ive been on both sides of the river, and know how both sides feel. Not saying I’m a genius, or that I know everything, I just have more educated opinions than someone who only plays one side. It doesn’t really matter anyways as this is on the announcement of the new mech. Either way, the mech looks great. Really looking forward to how it will play as I love faster mechs and have always wanted a clan variant of the Phoenix Hawk. Hopefully this will fill that role. Anyways, I thought I would put my opinion out there as all I have seen is a bunch of people saying how much they hate PGI’s new weapon balance because it makes them change play styles in the slightest. Feel free to respond to this post, but keep in mind I’ll only put time into responding if you put time into it as well.

[Athom83]

AzureRathalos, on 01 August 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Not just that. Haven't people wanted Jet Blast and Jet Intake decals for ages?

I'm probably gonna get it just for those decals and colors

[Jackal Noble]

Kill2Blit, on 01 August 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

theory craft

https://mech.nav-alp...#517a6e87_VGL-A

Haha awesome Blit. Thanks man

[Athom83]

ME-tan, on 02 August 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

You do know the Crusader is from the same anime as many of the other Unseen, right?

As is many of the mech in-game, like the Enforcer, Wolverine, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, et cetera. Also, I don't understand how he complains that the VE looks anime then says he wants the Crusader, when that thing screams like it flew out of Gundam.

Edited by Athom83, 02 August 2018 - 11:45 AM.

[PraetorGix]

TheEliteMetro, on 02 August 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:

This mech looks beautiful. (I know what I’m about to say is an unpopular opinion, but get over it) I like the way PGI have been changing the lasers to fit more into the game. I personally would rather have lower cycle times than higher alphas that can only be used twice before overheating. Ive been on both sides of the river, and know how both sides feel. Not saying I’m a genius, or that I know everything, I just have more educated opinions than someone who only plays one side.

Yeah I will feel free to respond. As entitled to your own opinion as you are, why do you make your argument as though you were the only player in the game that knows how both sides feel? Who or what makes you think that people like me who hates the neefing of lasers while leaving alphas untouched are only clan fanbois and nothing else? Are there fanbois here ranting? Absolutely. But you're not the only one who owns mechs from both factions. In fact I find it stupid when I read things like "my IS/Clan account". I play both sides, I have an opinion as educated as yours and I still think that you are talking nonsense when you defend the nerfs. And I bet I'm not the only one.
Again, feel free to think whatever you want but don't diminish the other side just because you don't like their opinions.
EDIT: Oh and talking about diminishing whoever disagrees with you, don't say I hate PGI for making me "slightly" change my playstyle. I am mad because they are killing mechs precisely like this one you like so much, lights and mediums that cannot equip more than a couple lasers as backups or even worse, as main weapons. And again I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Edited by PraetorGix, 02 August 2018 - 01:02 PM.

[KursedVixen]

PraetorGix, on 02 August 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

Yeah I will feel free to respond. As entitled to your own opinion as you are, why do you make your argument as though you were the only player in the game that knows how both sides feel? Who or what makes you think that people like me who hates the neefing of lasers while leaving alphas untouched are only clan fanbois and nothing else? Are there fanbois here ranting? Absolutely. But you're not the only one who owns mechs from both factions. In fact I find it stupid when I read things like "my IS/Clan account". I play both sides, I have an opinion as educated as yours and I still think that you are talking nonsense when you defend the nerfs. And I bet I'm not the only one.
Again, feel free to think whatever you want but don't diminish the other side just because you don't like their opinions.
EDIT: Oh and talking about diminishing whoever disagrees with you, don't say I hate PGI for making me "slightly" change my playstyle. I am mad because they are killing mechs precisely like this one you like so much, lights and mediums that cannot equip more than a couple lasers as backups or even worse, as main weapons. And again I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Lasers are my main weapons of choice aside from the ERPPC, back when the CERMDL had 450 range (like they should) they were my main weapon of choice, then they nerfed clans redoing the lasers range and duration, lowered heat capacity, lowered Clan Double heat sink heat dissapation... and other things. It seems to me that PGI want's innersphere to have vastly superior stuff, and I find that unfair and not Battletech, I can understand balance but this so called balance is heavily lopsided i call inner sphere easy mode,you literally have to worry about nothing in IS mechs at least compared to clans....Until thye actuallly do REAL balance instead of a constant "Ride of The Valkyries" of "Nerf the clans" I'm not spending any more money on this game than I have and PGI Can say Goodbye to my money.... If they were to allow mixed tech you know what people would take? Mostly IS weapons with a few clan lasers likely....

Edited by KursedVixen, 02 August 2018 - 01:23 PM.

[Doktorbike]

Xetelian, on 01 August 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

Can you make that hero have just a few more hard points? I can't even imagine trying to fit a load out that works for a 55 tonner with an adjustable engine.

No, no, no, no, NO! A hero with extra hard points would be pay to win & that's not good

[MrKvola]

PraetorGix, on 02 August 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

Lovely mech. Except they're still serious about nerfing the last good weapons for clans while releasing a clan mech and putting another one for pre-order. They really need a better marketing department or a new publisher. I feel bad for Alex and the great artists that work at PGI but with the exchange rate here, 20 dollars is too much money to give to a company that should provide entertainment and instead delivers increasing disappointment and frustration.

They are not bringing the PTS values into production. Read here:

https://mwomercs.com...oming-podcasts/

[Arkhangel]

Bluttrunken, on 02 August 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

That artwork is pretty damn ugly, you sure it should look more like that?

Btw PGI, still waiting for a decent, new IS mech, the Champion looks pretty DOA to me(saved by quirks mayhaps, but I don't preorder based on quirks).

Champion's essentially an IS Ebon Jaguar.

[Arkhangel]

Mighty Spike, on 02 August 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

da fuq is that? The newest ego shooter game charakter or the newest japano kiddi pokemon thingy ??? Even gifted i wouldnt take that kiddie thingy.
CCRUUUUUUUSADER gime gimme gimme gimme

You do realize the Crusader literally just looks like a bigger version of this mixed with a Phawk, right?

[Arkhangel]

KursedVixen, on 02 August 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

Lasers are my main weapons of choice aside from the ERPPC, back when the CERMDL had 450 range (like they should) they were my main weapon of choice, then they nerfed clans redoing the lasers range and duration, lowered heat capacity, lowered Clan Double heat sink heat dissapation... and other things. It seems to me that PGI want's innersphere to have vastly superior stuff, and I find that unfair and not Battletech, I can understand balance but this so called balance is heavily lopsided i call inner sphere easy mode,you literally have to worry about nothing in IS mechs at least compared to clans....Until thye actuallly do REAL balance instead of a constant "Ride of The Valkyries" of "Nerf the clans" I'm not spending any more money on this game than I have and PGI Can say Goodbye to my money.... If they were to allow mixed tech you know what people would take? Mostly IS weapons with a few clan lasers likely....

Well, it would help if we actually saw Clans using stuff OTHER than massed lasers more. I mean, seriously, it's woefully easy to kick the *** of a Hellbringer because you ALWAYS know what the thing's build is these days. they wou;dn't be nerfing a weapon system if it wasn't vastly overused. Clans have small ballistics that work just fine on lights and mediums.

[PraetorGix]

MrKvola, on 02 August 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

They are not bringing the PTS values into production. Read here:

https://mwomercs.com...oming-podcasts/

Great to know (but it still does not change the fact that balance is bad right now and they will attempt some other scary move to try and fix it). I haven't had the time to browse the forums these past couple of days. Ok then maybe I'll gather the money to buy this after all. It looks amazing no doubt.

[Audacious Aubergine]

Jonathan8883, on 01 August 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

The name blocks the torso of the mech on my screen. I had to scroll down to see what it looks like.

It's a BattleMech (so better than Omninerfmechs) Clan 55 tonner that goes about as fast as a Stormcrow and has several ballistic hardpoints. Not seeing much special about it, and the hitboxes and low hardpoints don't look great.
What's special about it?

Most of them have jump jets and it's a battlemech meaning you can squeeze a bigger engine in it, I guess?

[Dee Eight]

Athom83, on 02 August 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

As is many of the mech in-game, like the Enforcer, Wolverine, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, et cetera. Also, I don't understand how he complains that the VE looks anime then says he wants the Crusader, when that thing screams like it flew out of Gundam.

Battlemaster, Wolverine, Thunderbolt are NOT from the same anime property as the crusader.

[Arkhangel]

Dee Eight, on 03 August 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

Battlemaster, Wolverine, Thunderbolt are NOT from the same anime property as the crusader.

yep, Cru's a Macross Design. they tend to usually just be the ones referred to as "Unseen" as Dougram, Crusher Joe, etc, all actually settled things peaceably a long time ago, whereas HG's been a massive pain in the *** for a long time.

That said, the Crusader WILL eventually show up. PGI's just treading lightly for now because they only just finished that lawsuit off with HG, and they don't want to look like they're trying to provoke them (that and HG loses the rights to the Macross universe in North America in 2021 anyways). just give it time.

[TheEliteMetro]

Thanks to the people who took time to structure their response

PraetorGix, on 02 August 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

Yeah I will feel free to respond. As entitled to your own opinion as you are, why do you make your argument as though you were the only player in the game that knows how both sides feel? Who or what makes you think that people like me who hates the neefing of lasers while leaving alphas untouched are only clan fanbois and nothing else? Are there fanbois here ranting? Absolutely. But you're not the only one who owns mechs from both factions. In fact I find it stupid when I read things like "my IS/Clan account". I play both sides, I have an opinion as educated as yours and I still think that you are talking nonsense when you defend the nerfs. And I bet I'm not the only one.
Again, feel free to think whatever you want but don't diminish the other side just because you don't like their opinions.
EDIT: Oh and talking about diminishing whoever disagrees with you, don't say I hate PGI for making me "slightly" change my playstyle. I am mad because they are killing mechs precisely like this one you like so much, lights and mediums that cannot equip more than a couple lasers as backups or even worse, as main weapons. And again I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Most of this response is towards Praetor as he was the main responder to my primary post

So, apparently I came off as a bit more aggressive than I would have liked. Apologies. I also wanted to put it out there that I had said I only had more educated opinions than someone who had only played one side. Not everybody. Not saying I am the only person who has educated opinions or anything of the sort. Please don’t twist what I say as you don’t fall into this category. I didn’t want to get any clan fanboys getting pissy because somebody has a different opinion. Boo hoo.

I also only defend these nerfs because of one thing you must have glanced over. I specifically stated that I PREFERRED using weapons with lower cooldowns and lower damage per alpha.I am not “diminishing other peoples opinions” only stating that’s not what I prefer playing, so for me I like the way they are re-working clan lasers. It works for my play styles better.

I don’t think they are ‘killing’ these mechs as they will just end up playing slightly differently. (Side note: I liked this mech for more than just one reason. I love the 4srm6 lb20 build.) Imagine the Hellbringer, or the ‘meta’ build of it. High alpha, high heat. I don’t like this kind of playstyle as it implies you have to stay hidden for a lot of the game cooling down, and that’s just not the way I PREFER to play. I get it, it works and its good. I don’t care. I play this game to have fun, and I don’t find that fun.

I get it you’re mad, and trust me I know your aren’t alone. Quite frankly I don’t care if you are alone or not because we are debating with each other, not everyone who agrees with you and everyone who agrees with me. I tried to keep emotion out of this because all it does is cloud your thinking in most cases. Again, this is MY opinion, this is what I think.

I have a hellfire with 6MPL and 1 LPL. It’s fairly cold and cycle times are fast. It has a high enough alpha(I think its around 50-60), without the heat and by the time I get to shooting again, I’m down to 10-20% heat. It’s fun, I like that. I want to push the statement of this being fun. It’s all my opinion, don’t forget that. I’m not saying yours is bad, I’m not saying your opinion is wrong, I just simply said this is what I prefer.

I know this was kind of all over the place, but I think you all are smart enough to piece it together. Not being sarcastic or anything, again don’t twist my words.

EDIT: changed it a bit up to make it more general

Edited by TheEliteMetro, 03 August 2018 - 07:58 AM.

[Nomad One]

The hero needs a 2nd missile hardpoint. It has less hardpoints than any other variant by far. Even if you count MASC as being worth a weapon hardpoint (it isn't) there isn't any point in having just one missile hardpoint. Unless you intend to run a NARC for some absurd reason.

[leony]

Nomad One, on 03 August 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

The hero needs a 2nd missile hardpoint. It has less hardpoints than any other variant by far. Even if you count MASC as being worth a weapon hardpoint (it isn't) there isn't any point in having just one missile hardpoint. Unless you intend to run a NARC for some absurd reason.

true

Edited by leony, 03 August 2018 - 12:36 PM.