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[dante245]

Nightbird, on 05 September 2018 - 10:29 PM, said:

I see Fafnirs more often in FP than Annis, because they are better.

not sure who you are playing with. but in the last month ive seen maybe 14 fafnirs in general or used by KCOM, MS or LODD, "all major units my unit plays with weekly" in faction play. as for annihilators.....ive seen them almost every single faction drop where it was either/or defense siege, conquest, and skirmish modes.....as well as a few times in others. but consistently the annihilator pops up and is used "and recommended" within certain scenarios" as would any large, 48 kph mech" by major units that have been around for years. not everyone likes it "some will never run anything below 70 for good reason" but on defensive roles or for holding points, the annihilator is one of the BEST performing mechs in the game, there is no other that does its role better then it. if you doubt me 1v1 me or really any decent player in his annihilator and bring your Fafnir. enough said. and then add on top of that a good team with good cordination? there is no comparison between the two.
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Edited by dante245, 05 September 2018 - 10:38 PM.

[Eisenhorne]

dante245, on 05 September 2018 - 10:37 PM, said:

not sure who you are playing with. but in the last month ive seen maybe 14 fafnirs in general or used by KCOM, MS or LODD, "all major units my unit plays with weekly" in faction play. as for annihilators.....ive seen them almost every single faction drop where it was either/or defense siege, conquest, and skirmish modes.....as well as a few times in others. but consistently the annihilator pops up and is used "and recommended" within certain scenarios" as would any large, 48 kph mech" by major units that have been around for years. not everyone likes it "some will never run anything below 70 for good reason" but on defensive roles or for holding points, the annihilator is one of the BEST performing mechs in the game, there is no other that does its role better then it. if you doubt me 1v1 me or really any decent player in his annihilator and bring your Fafnir. enough said. and then add on top of that a good team with good cordination? there is no comparison between the two.
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Because Annihilators are available for cbills, and Fafnirs are not. You will see more when they come out for cbills.

[Nightbird]

Post your Anni stats then, I already posted my Fafnir stats. FP is what matters, who cares how good a mech is in Solaris.

[justcallme A S H]

Eisenhorne, on 05 September 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

Because Annihilators are available for cbills, and Fafnirs are not. You will see more when they come out for cbills.

We have a winner!

Once the Fafnir comes out you watch the Anni's disapper. I'll be snapping up 4-5 Fafnirs when they come out for da billz just like I did with the Anni's. Actually I have 7-8 Anni's so I'll probably end up with the same again in FapNirs as they really are _THAT_ good.

I am going farm all the headshots and with it, all the hackusations & salt.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 05 September 2018 - 10:44 PM.

[cougurt]

MRBC only allows mechs that can be purchased with c-bills, and i assume that’s the case with most competitive leagues. i guarantee you will see fafnirs being used next MRBC season assuming it doesn’t get massively nerfed before then.

[dante245]

cougurt, on 05 September 2018 - 10:46 PM, said:

MRBC only allows mechs that can be purchased with c-bills, and i assume that’s the case with most competitive leagues. i guarantee you will see fafnirs being used next MRBC season assuming it doesn’t get massively nerfed before then.

maybe im wrong. but i would love to see some example screen shots of peoples performances with an annihilator in FW next to that of there Fafnir" for those who own them". i doubt some one will show that, given the same amount of battles, build, ect that they out perform the annihilator in any major degree with the Fafnir. and again im talking about those who own them.

also im trying to take screen shots, but it is only showing me my QP performance for the last month, not FW, and i have over 136 mechs im switching around between regularly trying to skill up and work out new builds for. so to say i personally have played the annihilator allot this month would be incorrect. but since the time it came out, ive played it allot, and im more than qualified to speak about its strengths and weaknesses. and again..ill go one on one with anyone in any Fafnir variant in my anhi in Solaris. just shoot me a private message and will arrange the fight. im more than willing to prove my point in a match.



BATTLEMECH STATISTICS ANNIHILATOR ANH-1A 82 42 40 1.05 50 57 0.88 32,701 98,771 10:26:59 ANNIHILATOR ANH-1E 73 35 37 0.95 40 48 0.83 27,649 101,567 08:50:56 ANNIHILATOR ANH-2A(S) 203 101 100 1.01 135 151 0.89 76,203 227,122 1 day 00:53:33

FAFNIR FNR-5 38 12 26 0.46 18 31 0.58 12,421 38,543 07:19:44 FAFNIR FNR-6U 5 2 3 0.67 0 5 0.00 1,272 5,685 00:30:04

Edited by dante245, 05 September 2018 - 11:35 PM.

[Eisenhorne]

dante245, on 05 September 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

maybe im wrong. but i would love to see some example screen shots of peoples performances with an annihilator in FW next to that of there Fafnir" for those who own them".

The FNR-5's are both running 4x LBX10, the ANH-1X also runs 4x LBX10. I've done a few games experimenting with the FNR-5 trying different builds, before deciding that I like the 4x LBX10 build the best. The FNR-5(S) has never run anything but that build, and 90% of the games there are in FP. Mostly in Siege Defense, but sometimes in skirmish or assault. I haven't run the ANH-1X in a while now honestly, because I find the FNR-5(S) does it's job better, and provides ECM cover to nearby friendlies, which is pretty valuable.

*edit - Also, stop bringing up Solaris 1v1's.... nobody is disputing that the ANH will kill a FNR in a 1v1 fight. The dispute is that in a FP context, the Fafnir does a good job. 1v1 has little to no bearing on a mechs performance in FP.

Edited by Eisenhorne, 05 September 2018 - 11:51 PM.

[dante245]

Eisenhorne, on 05 September 2018 - 11:43 PM, said:

The FNR-5's are both running 4x LBX10, the ANH-1X also runs 4x LBX10. I've done a few games experimenting with the FNR-5 trying different builds, before deciding that I like the 4x LBX10 build the best. The FNR-5(S) has never run anything but that build, and 90% of the games there are in FP. Mostly in Siege Defense, but sometimes in skirmish or assault. I haven't run the ANH-1X in a while now honestly, because I find the FNR-5(S) does it's job better, and provides ECM cover to nearby friendlies, which is pretty valuable.

*edit - Also, stop bringing up Solaris 1v1's.... nobody is disputing that the ANH will kill a FNR in a 1v1 fight. The dispute is that in a FP context, the Fafnir does a good job. 1v1 has little to no bearing on a mechs performance in FP.

thank you for the stats...again i would like to see more than one person..."cause individual play style and preference", but besides that.....i would also like to see examples of the least performing Fafnir's next to the least performing Annihilators and see a comparison there. cause as much as i see the annihilator used in FW for defense/line holding in a variety of modes "siege, conquest, etc" i know from first hand experience it gets used allot. and i also see a variety of variants used as well. cause its easy to take the very best example and very best performance stats of ONE person and say "hey, this mech is doing great, and its so much better then this mech" when it does not match the reality of the "base line" performances or compare the average performance across all the variants of both mechs involved. your only one person, with a few select variants your referencing. same can be said for those up-voting and liking your reply. if my argument is really that illogical, then explain to me why? if it is logical, then get more examples then just your own. "or maybe just wait till more than one person post there stats and results between the annihilator and the Fafnir" .

Edited by dante245, 06 September 2018 - 11:08 AM.

[dante245]

i do believe though my argument will gain more weight" or loose most of it" upon the release of this mech for c-bills for the general populous, so i can agree to wait till then to bring back up this conversation since we will need time for the results to come in of the general player bases "average" performance in the mech. as well as how that compares to there annihilator games "since its a tried and tested mech that almost everyone in the community loves and agrees is good" to the point PGI in some of its public testing has suggested nerfing it "you only nerf something if you really believe its too good" no one i think will ever sugest "nurfing" the Fafnir...even after being out for some time like the anh is now. just a thought.

[Eisenhorne]

Well, I can tell you Nightbird has even better Fafnir stats than me, but I don't know what his experience with Annihlators is. Reckless, another guy who plays for EmP, also uses a 4x LBX10 Fafnir in FP occasionally when I play with them, and wrecks faces in it.

You're definitely right about the validity of your argument being proven one way or another when the Fafnir comes out for C-Bills next month though. I think we'll see a lot more of them, at least as many as Annihilators. I know I'm looking forward to the reinforcement Fafnirs that I didn't buy. I'm gonna make an LRM 80 boat out of the FNR-5E

Edited by Eisenhorne, 06 September 2018 - 11:28 AM.

[dante245]

Eisenhorne, on 06 September 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

Well, I can tell you Nightbird has even better Fafnir stats than me, but I don't know what his experience with Annihlators is. Reckless, another guy who plays for EmP, also uses a 4x LBX10 Fafnir in FP occasionally when I play with them, and wrecks faces in it.

You're definitely right about the validity of your argument being proven one way or another when the Fafnir comes out for C-Bills next month though. I think we'll see a lot more of them, at least as many as Annihilators. I know I'm looking forward to the reinforcement Fafnirs that I didn't buy. I'm gonna make an LRM 80 boat out of the FNR-5E

will see....also i did find a really cool build for the 5E, its 4 LRM 10 and 4 LBX 2. i forget which big MWO you-tuber created it" im pretty sure it was Larsh the Casual mechwarror" but wont bet on it. and again...i do like the Fafnir and im not hating on it or PGIs take on it "said that a couple of post ago" just saying it could use some" a little" love. but will know more when more results come in from the average player bases experience with the mech compared to the anhi once its out for c-bills. i think everyone can agree with me on that at least.

[Nightbird]

Individual play style and preference doesn't come into play here, it's about being willing to adapt to the strengths of the mech you're in. People that refuse do so will do poorly in good mechs, but PGI will not buff the chassis just for them because the mech will become absolutely broken in the hands of pilots using it right.

Also, every mech chassis has best and worst variants, don't expect PGI to make an exception for the Fafnir and somehow equalize them. This is why I don't buy mechs where the best variants are not the collectors or hero variant as I like to use c-bill bonus mechs.

Edited by Nightbird, 06 September 2018 - 12:23 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Eisenhorne, on 06 September 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

Well, I can tell you Nightbird has even better Fafnir stats than me, but I don't know what his experience with Annihlators is. Reckless, another guy who plays for EmP, also uses a 4x LBX10 Fafnir in FP occasionally when I play with them, and wrecks faces in it.

You're definitely right about the validity of your argument being proven one way or another when the Fafnir comes out for C-Bills next month though. I think we'll see a lot more of them, at least as many as Annihilators. I know I'm looking forward to the reinforcement Fafnirs that I didn't buy. I'm gonna make an LRM 80 boat out of the FNR-5E

I'll tell you what we will see right here - ZERO Fafnir changes.

Why? Because there is nothing wrong with it as it stands.

You balance from the bottom up then it becomes vastly overpowered at the top.

[Nightbird]

justcallme A S H, on 06 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I'll tell you what we will see right here - ZERO Fafnir changes.

Why? Because there is nothing wrong with it as it stands.

You balance from the bottom up then it becomes vastly overpowered at the top.

I'm betting it will be nerfed actually, doing too well.

[justcallme A S H]

Nightbird, on 06 September 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

I'm betting it will be nerfed actually, doing too well.

Mmm potentially yeah. Given the Sleipnir as per the PTS got a quirk nerf even though, really, it doesn't need one.

So that probably isn't out of the question by that logic at all.

[dante245]

justcallme A S H, on 06 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I'll tell you what we will see right here - ZERO Fafnir changes.

Why? Because there is nothing wrong with it as it stands.

You balance from the bottom up then it becomes vastly overpowered at the top.

hope your not just fighting me on this cause your beef with me. ive created a very solid argument for its need for a buff, and once its released for c-bills and available to everyone if im right or wrong will be very easy to tell. there are not enough of them on the field right now to make accurate judgement, but, at least right now, i think its the worst of the 100 ton mechs. till we know more arguing about this is point less "but, considering you have down-voted almost every single post ive ever created regardless of content, and constantly hounded me when i first started recruiting" im pretty sure you will want the last word.

Edited by dante245, 06 September 2018 - 08:05 PM.

[Eisenhorne]

dante245, on 06 September 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

hope your not just fighting me on this cause your beef with me. ive created a very solid argument for its need for a buff, and once its released for c-bills and available to everyone if im right or wrong will be very easy to tell. there are not enough of them on the field right now to make accurate judgement, but, at least right now, i think its the worst of the 100 ton mechs. till we know more arguing about this is point less "but, considering you have down-voted almost every single post ive ever created regardless of content, and constantly hounded me when i first started recruiting" im pretty sure you will want the last word.

I wouldn't really call it a solid argument :-/

I just agree that it will be resolved one way or another after everyone has Fafnirs available for CBills and you see everyone using them

It is in NO POSSIBLE WAY the worst of the 100 ton assault mechs though.... come on.

[justcallme A S H]

Eisenhorne, on 06 September 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

I wouldn't really call it a solid argument :-/

I just agree that it will be resolved one way or another after everyone has Fafnirs available for CBills and you see everyone using them

It is in NO POSSIBLE WAY the worst of the 100 ton assault mechs though.... come on.

Well when you get upset at facts against your fiction and then send me threatening messages, apparently that works as a basis for justification of point of view?

All we will see when it comes out for cbills is the experienced/good players of the game are right. Same as pretty much every other time.

There will be no buffs. Fafnir is in no way underperforming. End of story.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 06 September 2018 - 11:44 PM.

[Khobai]

lmao fafnir definitely wont get buffed. its got one of the deadliest alphastrikes in the game.

if anything dual heavy gauss will probably get nerfed with ghost heat or something else

especially if theyre serious about the 40-50 heat cap, because then they definitely cant leave dual heavy gauss at 50 damage for 4 heat

[dante245]

compared to what? clans can do alpha strikes of 108 damage with out over heating. 50 damage alpha even with out heat is not that scary. most you can do is some mediums with it for a 70 alpha. IS alphas are very low compared to clan....they dont need nerfs. i can do a 72 or more aplha with SRMS, 80 with MRMS..and so on. also heavy G have low effective ranges so you have to get close. unlike allot of the aplhas the clan can produce.

Edited by dante245, 07 September 2018 - 12:14 AM.