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[Harlock69]

This is the only real game I play, so not looking for a rocket, just something to get me out of the low-res basement, without breaking the bank.

Current rig, getting 27-30 fps on lowest possible video settings.
HP 6200 Pro 320w power supply
i5 2400 @ 3.10 ghz.
16 gb Ddr3 1333 ram 1600mhz
Zotac GT 730 card 4gb.

Can't financially do a whole new machine. I may be able to either upgrade the processor OR the card this year.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
John

Edited by Harlock69, 27 September 2018 - 01:55 PM.

[El Bandito]

My old Nvidia GTX 760 worked fine with MWO. That card should be affordable.

MWO requires good CPU more than GPU.

[Escef]

One thing to keep in mind is that MWO runs on a poorly optimized version of CryEngine. As such, it leans just as hard, if not harder, on your CPU and RAM. I do ok with a GTX 750 Ti, with a 3.5 GHz hexcore, and 16 gigs of RAM.

A quick search says that my CPU is a bit faster than yours with 2 more processing cores, and our graphics cards have different strengths in regards to RAM, speed, etc. (which makes a direct comparison a little tricky for me, I'm not a huge tech-head). But I do get equal or better FPS than you do, and at higher settings. Offhand, I'd say you'd need a new CPU to get better performance. If you upgraded to a CPU comparable to what I'm running I wager you'd gain at least 10 FPS at lowest settings (and likely significantly more).

Also, I will bring up the fact that high FPS is generally only relevant to the competitive crowd. Once you get past the 20-25 range you're in the zone of diminishing returns (especially for a game like MWO, where the action isn't as fast paced as other shooters). Part of this is due to how the human eye works and the way the brain processes information. The eye responds fastest to high contrast changes in brightness (this makes the black and white thermal display better, provided you don't lose any FPS swapping over to it), and the brain uses a lot of memory and prediction to fill in blanks in perception (practicing memorization and analytical skills might help, but this is purely conjecture on my part).

Good luck.

Edited by Escef, 27 September 2018 - 10:16 AM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Your FPS isn't tied to your graphics card only. You're using fairly old and slow dram and a fairly slow cpu to boot.
That said, your graphics card is about as low as it can get.

It's on pair with an internal graphics chip tbh.

I'd look towards a RX 560 4gb for about 100 bucks
https://pcpartpicker...x-560-4gbd5-dha

Or, if you want to shell out a bit more,
a 1050 ti 4gb for about 160 bucks.
https://pcpartpicker...-aero-itx-4g-oc

Both are miles ahead of your gt 730 and are actually quite usable if you opt in for a whole new pc.

Add: I am not very confident to say a new graphics card will be easy to implement into your PC, both dimensional and powerdraw wise, Check how much space you have and how big your new graphics card can be, also check if your PSU can even supply enough power to run a better graphics card.

Edited by Toha Heavy Industries, 27 September 2018 - 10:22 AM.

[Snowbluff]

Escef, on 27 September 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

A quick search says that my CPU is a bit faster than yours with 2 more processing cores, and our graphics cards have different strengths in regards to RAM, speed, etc. (which makes a direct comparison a little tricky for me, I'm not a huge tech-head). But I do get equal or better FPS than you do, and at higher settings. Offhand, I'd say you'd need a new CPU to get better performance. If you upgraded to a CPU comparable to what I'm running I wager you'd gain at least 10 FPS at lowest settings (and likely significantly more).

I'd like to point out that for most video games, single core performance is the only consideration. Multicore gaming isn't really well supported by older APIs and the newer ones (DX12 and Vulcan) haven't been adopted thoroughly IIRC.

I run a i7 4790k and a GTX 960. Hell, my CPU runs the game at nearly at 30 with the on board graphics (someone moved by tower and didn't hook up the HDMI to my GPU). Breaking the bank for a card isn't going to be required. EDIT: My ram is 1600hz, 16 gb.

Edited by Snowbluff, 27 September 2018 - 10:18 AM.

[Escef]

Snowbluff, on 27 September 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

I'd like to point out that for most video games, single core performance is the only consideration. Multicore gaming isn't really well supported by older APIs and the newer ones (DX12 and Vulcan) haven't been adopted thoroughly IIRC.

I was under the impression that dual core was at least strongly supported (wish I could remember where I heard anything on that, but I'm not a tech-head, so I know I could easily be wrong). Regardless, would not multiple cores help indirectly, as the "excess" cores can handle non-game related processes running in the background (I know most of the time I play I've got Firefox, OBS, Steam, WinAmp, and my anti-virus running as well).

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Escef, on 27 September 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

I was under the impression that dual core was at least strongly supported (wish I could remember where I heard anything on that, but I'm not a tech-head, so I know I could easily be wrong). Regardless, would not multiple cores help indirectly, as the "excess" cores can handle non-game related processes running in the background (I know most of the time I play I've got Firefox, OBS, Steam, WinAmp, and my anti-virus running as well).

Mwo is supporting multithreads, My client runs in 3-4 threads (cores) on idle (mechlab) and up to 11 while ingame.

[Moldur]

An rx570 would do it, but you can usually find a 580 on sale for $10 more or so.

[Snowbluff]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 27 September 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

Mwo is supporting multithreads, My client runs in 3-4 threads (cores) on idle (mechlab) and up to 11 while ingame.

Woah, is this for real? this is highly intriguing! :0

[Ghogiel]

Snowbluff, on 27 September 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

Woah, is this for real? this is highly intriguing! :0

Yes of course> r_MultiThreaded = 1 .

It doesn't use them very well mind you, but you can even set up how you want CE to use your cores in the user.cfg. ie for example you can set a dedicated physics core for example

[LordNothing]

my 750ti was doing fine but i replaced it with a 1060 anyway. but i was running a 4790k so that probibly had something to do with it (4ghz stock). go for either a current generation budget card, or an older top of the line model.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Moldur, on 27 September 2018 - 11:04 AM, said:

An rx570 would do it, but you can usually find a 580 on sale for $10 more or so.

I have an asus rx 580 08g which is a 300 usd card, it's overkill for mwo alone.
rx 580s start at about 200 usd (the 8gb models, you don't want the 4gb models)
I like my card very much, but for his 200 buck dell pc, it's utterly overkill (it won't fit in and the psu can't handle it either).

Snowbluff, on 27 September 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

Woah, is this for real? this is highly intriguing! :0

Sarcasm? Fairly certain it's the cpu architecture which distributes the workload.

[Ghogiel]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 27 September 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

Fairly certain it's the cpu architecture which distributes the workload.

In reality you need both hardware and software. The programming is what gives the cpu multiple requests to process at the same time. cpus can't automagically fill up idle cores without being asked to.

[Snowbluff]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 27 September 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

Sarcasm? Fairly certain it's the cpu architecture which distributes the workload.

Not at all, seems this game actually does support multiple threads.

I'll check out the setting.

[Spheroid]

730 is a super weak GPU. Get something like a 1050 that doesn't draw a lot of power. I think your power supply is about 300 watts.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

In all honestly, i don't think that upgrading the Dell system is a good idea. I don't even think that the setup benefits from having a better Graphics card.

Harlock, i would just recommend to get yourself a nice little entry level PC meant for gaming.
I honestly don't think you'll get your return by spending at least 100 usd for a new graphics card.

I've put a neet little entry level PC together for "just" a bit under 450 usd
View it yourself so you get an idea. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TGxDmq
I know, 450 usd are still 450 usd but you will get so very much more out of it.

[Ghogiel]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 27 September 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

In all honestly, i don't think that upgrading the Dell system is a good idea. I don't even think that the setup benefits from having a better Graphics card.

Harlock, i would just recommend to get yourself a nice little entry level PC meant for gaming.
I honestly don't think you'll get your return by spending at least 100 usd for a new graphics card.

Agreed

its also an old dell so aparently he can't even upgrade the bios to use a newer gpu like what other people suggest (1050tis etc) because they don't work. Plus he probably only has a 320w psu which may again be an issue if shooting towards an older but higher end gpu (760gtx which recommends having a 500w psu for example)

Edited by Ghogiel, 27 September 2018 - 12:00 PM.

[Ruccus]

I'm running an old Core i5 2500K and a Radeon RX480 and it's been good for me.

Googling "HP 6200 Pro" though and it looks like you have a small form factor PC with low profile expansion slots. The HP website also mentions a 240w power supply, so you don't have a huge amount of headroom there.

I'd suggest looking at low profile cards that have a 128-bit memory interface and use GDDR5 memory. Those are generally adequate for gaming without requiring a huge amount of power. Just looking at Newegg.com they've got an MSI Radeon RX560 for $130 ($115 after rebate), some GeForce GTX 1050 cards at around $140, and a few GeForce GTX 1050Ti cards for around $185. Any of those should be fine.

[Spheroid]

@Ghogiel: That is simply not the case. Modern cards work in old rigs all the time. Here is a tech support question asking that very question: https://h30434.www3....NG/td-p/6089367

[Big Tin Man]

Psst. I upgraded to a RTX2080 and need to get rid of my GTX980. If you're interested, send me a message.

edit: nevermind. The 240w power supply couldn't handle a 980

Edited by Big Tin Man, 27 September 2018 - 12:20 PM.