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[El Bandito]

Jay Leon Hart, on 03 October 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

Art? Great!
80 tonner? Great!
BattleMech? Great!
Nostalgia? Great!
No Ballistics in Standard Pack? Pass!

Save your money for Phoenix Hawk-IIC.

Eventually.

[Battlemaster56]

El Bandito, on 03 October 2018 - 08:35 PM, said:

Female Elementals can literally snu snu you to death.

[MrXanthios]

Oh boy, those lrm100 builds on the 2 variant.

And no ballistics unless you pay, I smell sleipnir.

[FireStoat]

thievingmagpi, on 03 October 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Has there ever been another mech pack where the hero was the only one of any interest/the only reason people want it?

Sleipnir & Scorch.

Warhammer IIC is neat for nostalgia and I'm sure it will be a stellar mech. For my own tastes though, I'll stick with the Marauder IIC and pay for having 5 more tons with the tradeoff being a MUCH better frontal target profile.

[Daurock]

MrXanthios, on 04 October 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

Oh boy, those lrm100 builds on the 2 variant.

And no ballistics unless you pay, I smell sleipnir.

I'm not sold on that PTW aspect, honestly. With only 2 ballistic Hardpoints, the only things you're going to be able to mount up effectively (For its tonnage) are going to be the ubiquitous GaussVomit, or LBX20+MPL/SRM. twin 10s, 5s, or 2s, just won't boat hard enough at 80 tons. The Gauss build is already has stiff competition in the night gyr, and MC2-1, and it will be tough to displace even those, let alone the deathstrike. Now, the LBX20 build is fairly unique. There's not a lot of clan mechs that can run with twin LB20s, and this one has potential. However, is it going to be notably better than something like the Orion, considering that unlike said Orion, it likely will NOT get IS-level quirks? Not really sold on that.

All that being said, the WHM 2s are going to be staples at 80 tons, Premium included. Solid profile +Clan equipment+battlemech makes these things very capable of a wide variety of very dirty builds. Up to this point, Clan doesn't have any good mechs at 80, so it's good that they're finally getting one. (Next up, 95, 70, or 45 ton clan battlemech, plox.) The premium won't be an exception to that.

As for the Sleip, I wouldn't get too terribly attatched. I've heard rumblings that its only major advantage over the mauler (Agility) was on the potential chopping block with the upcoming balance changes.

[thievingmagpi]

I'm really not looking forward to the next wave of nerfs.

[Jay Leon Hart]

El Bandito, on 04 October 2018 - 04:55 AM, said:

Save your money for Phoenix Hawk-IIC.

I'd rather get the Canis

[FupDup]

Jay Leon Hart, on 04 October 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

I'd rather get the Canis

The only issue with the Canis is having an awful 290 engine cap...but with its hardpoints it could still probably overcome that limitation anyways (though IMO all 80-ton mechs should have an engine cap of at least 320 because they're more like big heavies than small assaults).

[Myke Pantera]

thievingmagpi, on 03 October 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Has there ever been another mech pack where the hero was the only one of any interest/the only reason people want it?

I believe the Vulcan sits in a similar boat, but since it's basically yet another ASN-21 with additional hardpoints but way worse hitboxes it's a non-issue.

[kapusta11]

FupDup, on 04 October 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

The only issue with the Canis is having an awful 290 engine cap...but with its hardpoints it could still probably overcome that limitation anyways (though IMO all 80-ton mechs should have an engine cap of at least 320 because they're more like big heavies than small assaults).

I mean, Hgauss Victor works with 270.

[FupDup]

kapusta11, on 04 October 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

I mean, Hgauss Victor works with 270.

For that build you don't even have the option to go bigger (unless you want to go armorless I guess), and really it's still more optimal to run that something 90+ tons.

I just wish that the Un-Awesome and those two Hatamoto variants got their caps raised to 320-325, they could actually use it.

Edited by FupDup, 04 October 2018 - 01:27 PM.

[Bonfor]

thievingmagpi, on 04 October 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

I'm really not looking forward to the next wave of nerfs.

This mech pack comes pre-nerfed...none of them have XL engines despite other IIC packs having over half of the variants equipped with XL engines...so you're getting less for your money than ever before!

[Battlemaster56]

Bonfor, on 04 October 2018 - 04:18 PM, said:

This mech pack comes pre-nerfed...none of them have XL engines despite other IIC packs having over half of the variants equipped with XL engines...so you're getting less for your money than ever before!

Umm you could just put a xl in them it's not really a nerf tbh. That's how their stock loadout comes with.

[Bonfor]

Battlemaster56, on 04 October 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

Umm you could just put a xl in them it's not really a nerf tbh. That's how their stock loadout comes with.

Later variants had them, plus the Hero isn't canon that I can see and could have been given one.

[Phyrce]

Look like PGI opened their box of "in case of emergency release this".

[ME-tan]

Phyrce, on 04 October 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

Look like PGI opened their box of "in case of emergency release this".

More like they opened their "HG can't sue us anymore" box.

[Vellron2005]

Well I for one have to congratulate PGI..

Not only does Warhammer IIC look good (at least in the art.. we'll see about the model), but they've also included a 5 missile slot version in the basic package.

That alone is quite refreshing.

Has good LRM boat potential. Especially with clan tech.

And to all the people crying over "no double gauss version other than the Hero" - now you know how Lurmers feel on most other mech releases.. Missile slots mostly only on Hero versions..

[Battlemaster56]

Bonfor, on 04 October 2018 - 08:45 PM, said:

Later variants had them, plus the Hero isn't canon that I can see and could have been given one.

And? Unless you run stock only this shouldn't be a concern seeing the WhammyIIC is a battlemech and can freely upgrade the mech how ever you like.

And barely any heros are canon but it doesn't matter since they're there to be something different behind a paywall.

[Snowbluff]

El Bandito, on 03 October 2018 - 08:35 PM, said:

Female Elementals can literally snu snu you to death.

Good. They are made to kill.

Vellron2005, on 05 October 2018 - 04:13 AM, said:

And to all the people crying over "no double gauss version other than the Hero" - now you know how Lurmers feel on most other mech releases.. Missile slots mostly only on Hero versions..

We call them second class citizens because they are. Gauss master race! >: 0

Edited by Snowbluff, 05 October 2018 - 05:14 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Vellron2005, on 05 October 2018 - 04:13 AM, said:

And to all the people crying over "no double gauss version other than the Hero" - now you know how Lurmers feel on most other mech releases.. Missile slots mostly only on Hero versions..

Really?

Marauder - Missile Standard / No Missile Hero
Warhammer - Missile Standard / No Missile Hero
Rifleman - No Missile Standard / No Missile Hero
Archer - Missile Standard / Missile Hero
Kodiak - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Phoenix Hawk - No Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Viper - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Cyclops - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Night Gyr - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Huntsman - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Linebacker - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / No Missile Hero
Marauder IIC - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Bushwacker - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Supernova - Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Assassin - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Roughtneck - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Javelin - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Cougar - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Uziel - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Mad Cat Mk II - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / No Missile Hero
Annihilator - No Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Osiris - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / No Missile Hero
Arctic Wolf - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Nova Cat - Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Nightstar - No Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Thanatos - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Hellspawn - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Piranha - No Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / No Missile Hero
Black Lanner - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Sun Spider - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / No Missile Hero
Fafnir - No Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Blood Asp - Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Flea - Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Hellfire - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Vulcan - No Missile Standard / No Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Incubus - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Champion - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Vapor Eagle - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero
Charger - Missile Standard / No Missile Hero
Hatomoto-Chi - Missile Standard / Missile Hero
Warhammer IIC - Missile Standard / Missile Reinforcement / Missile Hero

I guess it depends on how many hardpoints you want to class as "has Missiles" or not?