109 replies to this topic

[Grus]

HenryFA, on 17 December 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

are we stat shaming now?
count me in lmfao

Lets not lol

Let me summarise; the PIR can be every effective, in a very small window. But it can be very DEAD in a much larger one. If this was reversed then id say people theres a dog in that fight... but its not. So thats where i see it as very balanced and or a " one trick pony"

Not over powered.

[Dee Eight]

Racerxintegra2k, on 17 December 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

Clearly the 70th percentile player shoots better than the 85th percentile player.. I'm not complaining from the perspective of the prey, i'm complaining from the perspective of the predator .. imo this mech is extremely broken. In your opinion the mech is fine. Lets agree to disagree on the Piranaha.

Clearly you're someone who looks at the jarl's overall and ignores the fact that I've played TWICE as many matches as you have. Being ranked in the 85th percentile doesn't mean squat and you should know it by now. Sitting in back vulturing kills from people who did the actual work and then being ambushed by piranhas seems to be your problem. Thus needing to start another thread complaining about them.

[Weeny Machine]

Racerxintegra2k, on 16 December 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

Nothing but Piranha's again ... this mech is so broken.

Ja, and because it is op everyone plays them and we see at least 2-3 of them per team in each match and... oh wait...those are Fafnirs and other assault mechs. Something went wrong...

Vellron2005, on 17 December 2018 - 05:39 AM, said:

What do you mean "it's back"?

Piranha never left.. I see them literally every match.. Its always Piranha and some other fast mover, usually a locust or flea..

Are you paranoid? See above

Edited by Bush Hopper, 17 December 2018 - 01:06 PM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Bigbacon, on 17 December 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:

Kintaros don't feast on anything...they get feasted on.

Yes yessss tell them how it is! Such a terrible mech!

(I love it when they underestimate me.)

[Tordin]

This is getting mindboggling.

Waaaah, piranha harass me
Waaah, LURMS harass me
Waah, gauss harass me

Im sure theres gonna be tears for other "Whaas"

Theres a cure for all of this. Counter them, add more back armor, ECM, AMS, SOLID ******** rocks, stay close to team when in possible danger.
I swear if there have been a paid job for giving cures for such ailments, the person would be a millionaire!

I KNOW how infuriating lurms and lights can be, but its my own problem getting INTO the damn situation.
Oh! You know what if I dont mind it, can use the same weapons against others for some "annoying" payback!

Its such whining that, if enough can influence PGI's balancing circus/ nightmare/ joyride etc
Take care.

Edited by Tordin, 17 December 2018 - 01:22 PM.

[Dee Eight]

I love how the forum puts edited text into quote boxes, hours after the original message is quoted. People can go back, change what they wrote to something completely different, and that goes into a quote box from a reply that already occurred. In any case, I just took out one of my supernovas and killed a locust 1E, Piranha-2, Orion 2C, MadCat, and Black Lanner... i swept the legs on the lights, blew the CT's on the bigger things. Aiming isn't hard. Bringing an all energy build that can sustain fire and isn't pigeon holed to poking and cooling isn't hard either. Six medium pulses and 2 er larges work well together if you know how to manage your heat properly...and 29 DHS certainly helps in that. I took the last four enemies solo (piranha, lanner, madcat and locust). Put a back to solid object, don't front load all the armor, twist and jump around... have map awareness... all these things have been said by others already.

Edited by Dee Eight, 17 December 2018 - 02:59 PM.

[x Deathstrike x]

I have an idea to stop all this whining.
We have to nerf weapons monmentally and I mean nerf them into the ground till they are two-dimensional.
Weapons are the primary cause for mechs being damaged thus give all of them 0 damage.
Everybody can then still round around shoot stuff, but without any effect thus never ruining anybodies experience.
What about that guys, hu?
Ain't I genius?
[/sarcasm]

[Mcgral18]

Kiran Yagami, on 17 December 2018 - 06:45 AM, said:

Piranhas never left. They've always been around and always been ridiculous mechs, and since clan MGs weigh half IS MGs there will never be an IS counterpart to it. They do utterly ridiculous DPS.

Nothing stopping PGI from giving them the same DPS/ton, if they so desired.

[Jackal Noble]

Mcgral18, on 17 December 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

Nothing stopping PGI from giving them the same DPS/ton, if they so desired.

sweet, then they could switch the mg spread back to normal

[Racerxintegra2k]

Dee Eight, on 17 December 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

Clearly you're someone who looks at the jarl's overall and ignores the fact that I've played TWICE as many matches as you have. Being ranked in the 85th percentile doesn't mean squat and you should know it by now. Sitting in back vulturing kills from people who did the actual work and then being ambushed by piranhas seems to be your problem. Thus needing to start another thread complaining about them.

Your arguments don't make any sense. I think your trolling me.

First you say i cant aim. When i point out my stats are better than yours to disprove the "i cant aim argument", you make up my play style and then suggest that statistics don't mean anything anyway. Ive literally seen you stat shame people before. On several past occasions you've been proven wrong and all you could do was squirm around and deny facts. Face it, your one of those guys that cant be wrong about anything. Having a conversation with you is about as fruitless as it gets. With all those games you play i hardly ever see you in the Tier 1 games, i would love to show you my play style.

[Dee Eight]

Racerxintegra2k, on 17 December 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Your arguments don't make any sense. I think your trolling me and so have others.

First you say i cant aim. When i point out my stats are better than yours to disprove the "i cant aim argument", you make up my play style and then suggest that statistics don't mean anything anyway. Ive literally seen you stat shame people before. On several past occasions you've been proven wrong and all you could do was squirm around and deny facts. Face it, your one of those guys that cant be wrong about anything. Having a conversation with you is about as fruitless as it gets. With all those games you play i hardly ever see you in the Tier 1 games, i would love to show you my play style.

i DIDNT make up anything about your playstyle.. i've witnessed it.

As to aiming... if you want to focus on the overall ratio only... great...you're better over a smaller sample size. Lucky you. But if we're going to play that game of smaller sample sizes...this month alone between my accounts (both maxed psr bar T1) I'm at 174 wins, 129 losses, 299 kills and 177 deaths over 304 matches. So an overall 1.348 wlr and 1.689 kdr and you're at a 0.64 wlr and 1.64 kdr for the past 17 days and 64 games played. I could pick out other seasons but its the same result of you're playing a fraction as many matches as I am, and that's probably why you don't recall encountering me... you're rarely actually playing matches compared to how many I do per day, let alone per month. In the previous 3 months I've played more than 1600 matches and you've managed about 1/4 of that.

And as to the percentiles... the jarl's sorting is based on the adjusted match score averages, NOT kills or wins. And everyone here knows its easy to pump your match score sitting in back not sharing armor and and hurling missiles up until the enemy lights swarm around you. Especially as you created this thread to complain about piranhas being a cancer, and last week created a lrm shaming thread because of how a team member reacted to your LRM80 fafnir play...

Edited by Dee Eight, 17 December 2018 - 04:58 PM.

[Chados]

Best moment in any MWO match last weekend. I’m in a HTM-27T. The loadout: Two ERPPC and two MRM20. A fresh Piranha-1 stops to buzzsaw one of my teamies. He doesn’t see I’m looking at him because I’m slightly blocked and under a drop off from the waist down. I’m less than 200 meters away and have full missile skills, and two steps to my left unmasked my PPCs.

Boom.

It was a 12-1 murder of my side but I got that little @#!&er and it was a VICTORY as far as I’m concerned.

Edited by Chados, 17 December 2018 - 05:01 PM.

[Chrome Magnus]

the number of weapons they can boat is just silly. 15 lasers on their front looks like a LED work light. lol

Edited by Chrome Magnus, 17 December 2018 - 06:16 PM.

[Jman5]

I think it's interesting how we all play the same game but our experiences are so different.

What I have been noticing lately is that it seems like the community has gotten much more comfortable dealing with the Piranha. I have been seeing a lot of piranhas being ineffectual because people are just efficiently burning down their legs.

The small mechs that really frustrate me these days are those 30-40 ton missile boats.

Edited by Jman5, 17 December 2018 - 06:32 PM.

[JediPanther]

Jman5, on 17 December 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

I think it's interesting how we all play the same game but our experiences are so different.

What I have been noticing lately is that it seems like the community has gotten much more comfortable dealing with the Piranha. I have been seeing a lot of piranhas being ineffectual because people are just efficiently burning down their legs.

The small mechs that really frustrate me these days are those 30-40 ton missile boats.

Those are HUGE missile boats. I give you LCT-3S Timmytimmy.
You can't make a smaller more annoying IS lrmer. Clans maybe but not on the IS until they make a smaller ton mech.

[Prototelis]

PIR only gets high AMS because it gets clean up kill secures and inflated damage numbers from equipment.

[FireStoat]

Jman5, on 17 December 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

I think it's interesting how we all play the same game but our experiences are so different.

What I have been noticing lately is that it seems like the community has gotten much more comfortable dealing with the Piranha. I have been seeing a lot of piranhas being ineffectual because people are just efficiently burning down their legs.

The small mechs that really frustrate me these days are those 30-40 ton missile boats.

Well said. I used to have problems with the Piranha but I solved it by using mechs with arm mounted medium to short ranged weapons and unlocked arms for targeting. Problem solved. Blowing up a fish mech with my ATM supernova's arm medium pulse or King Crab's dual LBX 10's is super easy.

Assassins on the other hand that keep tapping their jump jets while they zoom around you, unloading missiles... Good God it's like they have double to triple the amount of displayed armor due to hit reg issues.

[Y E O N N E]

FireStoat, on 17 December 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

Assassins on the other hand that keep tapping their jump jets while they zoom around you, unloading missiles... Good God it's like they have double to triple the amount of displayed armor due to hit reg issues.

Shoot the feet. On most 'Mechs, when you aim legs you want to aim for the thigh or hip because it moves the least but, on an Assassin, that means you'll be hitting a lot of torso, too. So shoot the feet to get most of your damage on the legs.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 17 December 2018 - 09:47 PM.

[Der Geisterbaer]

Mcgral18, on 17 December 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

Nothing stopping PGI from giving them the same DPS/ton, if they so desired.

Nothing but the remainder of whatever level of "common sense" they have left.

Jackal Noble, on 17 December 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

sweet, then they could switch the mg spread back to normal

It's not as if any clan mech in general or the PIR-1 in particular is actually affected by the current clan machine gun spread to unbearable degrees or is it?

[Jackal Noble]

The cancer isn't the Piranha. The cancer is the matchmaker.