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[Dithmenos]

Oh look! Another LRM buff! ggclose

[dwwolf]

Nope its a nerf.
Straight / Low trajectory LoS LRM fire is a redherring. Its encroaching on ATM and MRM territory.
LRMs whole niche is arced fire plus IDF ability.
**** with that and you might as well take another weapon.

Edited by dwwolf, 16 January 2019 - 08:24 AM.

[HammerMaster]

dwwolf, on 16 January 2019 - 08:19 AM, said:

Nope its a nerf.
Straight / Low trajectory LoS LRM fire is a redherring. Its encroaching on ATM and MRM territory.
LRMs whole niche is arced fire plus IDF ability.
**** with that and you might as well take another weapon.

Lets not redherring it until PTS sir.
Give it a chance.
WE ALL WANT IT TO WORK.
And the niche you talk of is the MWO niche. Lets make the BattleTech/MechWarrior NICHE!
MWO niche IS bs plain and simple.

[Mechi Messer]

HammerMaster, on 16 January 2019 - 07:01 AM, said:

I've complained over AC Spam before that people don't cry about.
Laser vomit HBRs and EBJs that waste IS side torsos in one volley also get the pass.
So its not me but yes. People don't cry about those.

Dunno, I think laservomit, dakka, gaussvomit, mgspam was cried spectacularly about during the run of MWO with various nerfs and buffs as a result. Ghostheat *cough*, gausscharge *cough*, PPC-Gaussthingy *cough*, mg-critnerf *cough*.
Maybe people cried not so much about that because these weapons are quite balanced for PGIstandards. Lurmageddons happened from time to time, too and were catered to. Now we are in Lurmageddon part 6+ or so.
Considering FW: before aforementioned Lurmageddon I was able to do laservomit, dakka, HG or SRM-brawl, LBX10 builds, even lurms on some maps. All viable at least for IS. There was even variety on clanside. FW saw way worse times...

[dwwolf]

Mechi Messer, on 16 January 2019 - 08:33 AM, said:

Dunno, I think laservomit, dakka, gaussvomit, mgspam was cried spectacularly about during the run of MWO with various nerfs and buffs as a result. Ghostheat *cough*, gausscharge *cough*, PPC-Gaussthingy *cough*, mg-critnerf *cough*.
Maybe people cried not so much about that because these weapons are quite balanced for PGIstandards. Lurmageddons happened from time to time, too and were catered to. Now we are in Lurmageddon part 6+ or so.
Considering FW: before aforementioned Lurmageddon I was able to do laservomit, dakka, HG or SRM-brawl, LBX10 builds, even lurms on some maps. All viable at least for IS. There was even variety on clanside. FW saw way worse times...

Specious Hyperbole, there are maybe 1-2 LRM platforms ( tending towards 1 ) per side each match.
Lurmageddon my arse. LRM players have died off again after lockon area was reduced.

[Mechi Messer]

dwwolf, on 16 January 2019 - 09:16 AM, said:

Specious Hyperbole, there are maybe 1-2 LRM platforms ( tending towards 1 ) per side each match.
Lurmageddon my arse. LRM players have died off again after lockon area was reduced.

Have you played FW on boreal (offense), alpine, caustic lately or even tourmaline?

[HammerMaster]

Mechi Messer, on 16 January 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

Have you played FW on boreal (offense), alpine, caustic lately or even tourmaline?

Its' funny how the FW pundits who hate lrm found a way to exploit it and abuse lower coordinated teams and then still lrm is garbage. Then I feel like they don't' want lrm around at all?
And then say qp population doesn't need it either.

Edited by HammerMaster, 16 January 2019 - 09:59 AM.

[LordNothing]

the portal isnt letting me install the pts client (new rig). is there something else that needs to be done? or do i need to wait till it actually starts?

Edited by LordNothing, 16 January 2019 - 09:54 AM.

[dwwolf]

LordNothing, on 16 January 2019 - 09:53 AM, said:

the portal isnt letting me install the pts client (new rig). is there something else that needs to be done? or do i need to wait till it actually starts?

2 PM PGI office time ...in Canada.

Edited by dwwolf, 16 January 2019 - 09:56 AM.

[Mechi Messer]

HammerMaster, on 16 January 2019 - 09:53 AM, said:

Its' funny how the FW pundits who hate lrm found a way to exploit it and abuse lower coordinated teams and then still lrm is garbage. Then I feel like they don't' want lrm around at all?
And then say qp population doesn't need it either.

I take that as a no. kthx

[DAEDALOS513]

HammerMaster, on 16 January 2019 - 09:53 AM, said:

Its' funny how the FW pundits who hate lrm found a way to exploit it and abuse lower coordinated teams and then still lrm is garbage. Then I feel like they don't' want lrm around at all?
And then say qp population doesn't need it either.

You got it backwards.. actually it's evidence that LRM's need to be nerfed (along with narc).. the weapon system is OP and exploitable in the right (experienced) hands.. but new players want their candy.. and PGI thinks it's Halloween..

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 16 January 2019 - 10:43 AM.

[HammerMaster]

DAEDALOS513, on 16 January 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

You got it backwards.. actually it's evidence that LRM's need to be nerfed (along with narc).. the weapon system is OP and exploitable in the right (experienced) hands.. but new players want their candy.. and PGI thinks it's Halloween..

Did I not just say its exploited in the right hands?
Nerfs are fine if you nerf everything involved to get a clean slate. THEN REWORK IT.(BS ECM)
LRM/AMS ammo(BS ECM)
AMS efficacy.(BS ECM)
Heat.(to include ghost heat) (BS ECM)
Not just arbitrarily one or the other.(but definitely BS ECM)
Why are we blaming new players?

Edited by HammerMaster, 16 January 2019 - 11:12 AM.

[DAEDALOS513]

HammerMaster, on 16 January 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

Did I not just say its exploited in the right hands?
Nerfs are fine if you nerf everything involved to get a clean slate. THEN REWORK IT.(BS ECM)
LRM/AMS ammo(BS ECM)
AMS efficacy.(BS ECM)
Heat.(to include ghost heat) (BS ECM)
Not just arbitrarily one or the other.(but definitely BS ECM)
Why are we blaming new players?

Because if you ask 9 out of 10 new players, they will say lrm's need moar BUFF's..

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 16 January 2019 - 11:19 AM.

[HammerMaster]

DAEDALOS513, on 16 January 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

Because if you ask 9 out of 10 new players, they will say lrm's need moar BUFF's..

Get them.
Those 10 new players we got today.
I'm sure not seeing them.

So lets fix it. US.
Then give the good product when we're done.

Edited by HammerMaster, 16 January 2019 - 11:22 AM.

[DAEDALOS513]

HammerMaster, on 16 January 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Get them.
Those 10 new players we got today.
I'm sure not seeing them.

So lets fix it. US.
Then give the good product when we're done.

This whole thread is about buffing lrms.. and all the new players want the change.. open your eyes. All the idf nerfs aren't enough to change the state of lrms.. they release this change and the whining will continue just for a different reason..

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 16 January 2019 - 11:31 AM.

[HammerMaster]

DAEDALOS513, on 16 January 2019 - 11:28 AM, said:

This whole thread is about buffing lrms.. and all the new players want the change.. open your eyes. All the idf nerfs aren't enough to change the state of lrms..

DEBBIE.
DOWNER.

[WarHippy]

Shanrak, on 14 January 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

And dedicated lurmers will never understand how IDF takes all the fun out of the game for everyone else. They're just chortling in the back enjoying their meaningless damage numbers. IDF makes the game grind to a halt, makes everyone take cover until the lurmer changes targets. Being the only IDF weapon, it means they are the only ones who can shoot with impunity, a completely one sided game play. Also, lurmers will always vote polar for the lack of cover, a map no one else enjoys, again taking the fun out of the game for anyone else.

Someone suggested a while ago that LRM fire should make you target-able so lurmers can shoot back at other lurmers. At least that way they'll get a taste of their own medicine.

Speak for yourself and only yourself. Personally, I like what LRMs add to the game as is and I hardly ever use them. LRMs add additional layers to the battlefield that make things far more interesting than the simplistic point and click adventure game you seem to desire. Even when they don't hit their target forcing them to take cover as you described has impact of the battle.

That being said while the trajectory change is good the rest of it is pretty much garbage.

[WarHippy]

Shanrak, on 14 January 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

I've played LRMs before in organized groups with dedicated Narcer, its boring as hell, just sit there and shoot until things dies. I do not find it fun at all. I also have no problems when I'm the target as I know how to hide, and ignore/roll the damage when necessary, but I have seen first hand the effect of mass lurms does to teams who were trying to push, it grinds things to a halt and then it turns into a game where the lurmers on each side is screaming for locks while everyone else peeks occasionally. Also, nothing is more annoying than when you are in a nice trading fight with another player and a useless lrm5 spammer starts slapping you in the face with chained volleys. Not enough damage to matter, just enough splat to be annoying. When lurms gets real bad during events, I find it way more enjoyable to bring a triple/quad AMS mech.

A team getting stopped by LRMs is either doing something wrong or getting out played. I don't see the issue. Its a battlefield and things change depending on circumstances. LRMs pinning your team down? Adapt and change strategy.

As for your complaint about LRM spam interrupting your individual fight. You do understand that this is a team game right? If you are so focused on your 1v1 trade anyone could provide an annoyance for you with any weapon in the game. While you find it annoying I would imagine your opponent is happy for the assist.

[Mighty Spike]

Shanrak, on 14 January 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

And dedicated lurmers will never understand how IDF takes all the fun out of the game for everyone else. They're just chortling in the back enjoying their meaningless damage numbers. IDF makes the game grind to a halt, makes everyone take cover until the lurmer changes targets. Being the only IDF weapon, it means they are the only ones who can shoot with impunity, a completely one sided game play. Also, lurmers will always vote polar for the lack of cover, a map no one else enjoys, again taking the fun out of the game for anyone else.

Someone suggested a while ago that LRM fire should make you target-able so lurmers can shoot back at other lurmers. At least that way they'll get a taste of their own medicine.

Would like it twice, absolutly agree with you.

[dwwolf]

I see some people have been touched by the bad LRM mech.