So ... Roughneck Or Warhammer?
#1
Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:45 AM
Which one's actually tougher (armor/structure wise)? I suspect the Roughneck. What are pros and cons of one vs the other? And how do the heroes compare?
#2
Posted 01 February 2019 - 11:15 AM
renzor51, on 01 February 2019 - 12:45 AM, said:
Which one's actually tougher (armor/structure wise)? I suspect the Roughneck. What are pros and cons of one vs the other? And how do the heroes compare?
Roughnecks are definitely more durable (even compared to Warhammer, which is a good tanky mech with nice hitboxes).
If you are going for energy or mixed builds - Roughnecks are IMO just better.
Warhammer has a definite edge in other department: two variants have ballistic mounts in both STs, so if you want to fit two big ballistics into the mech - it is WHM-6R or WHM-BW. It also has 5t extra capacity compared to Roughnecks, which is very helpful if you are serious about taking multiple humongous guns.
For heroes: Warhammer Black Widow can do quad (or less) torso ballistics with insanely good convergence, very-very good mech. Roughneck Powerhouse offers nothing on top of C-Bill bonus compared to non-hero Roughnecks; Reaver is a very nice UAC(10) carrier due to durability and quirks (these two uacs will be in the arms, so no 20s, weapon mounts are low, and fully articulated).
#3
Posted 01 February 2019 - 12:51 PM
#4
Posted 02 February 2019 - 09:15 AM
If your looking for straight up durability vs weapons variety, the Roughneck has slightly better hit boxes (with the exception of the easy to crit shoulder gun) and decent buffs that allows it to tank with the assaults. It has overshadowed the Thunderbolt which was the tanky 65 ton machine for years. I still get better scores with the Warhammer thanks to the weapon load out but that may be personal preferences.
#5
Posted 02 February 2019 - 12:11 PM
The Basilisk, on 01 February 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:
Some creativity isn't bad when done well. Instead of copy pasting everything, adding some new stuff can be a good thing if it fits well.
It's not like they created 10000 mechs and the Roughneck is a nice addition, design wise and lorewise.
#6
Posted 02 February 2019 - 08:32 PM
#7
Posted 02 February 2019 - 09:42 PM
Edited by Koniving, 02 February 2019 - 09:42 PM.
#8
Posted 02 February 2019 - 11:15 PM
I really like the Black Widow. One of the best hero Mechs available IMO. If you have the MC to spend on it.
#9
Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:30 AM
Some of the communities best Players put up the top builds for those 2, so I strongly suggest you take a look at the site:
https://grimmechs.isengrim.org/
#10
Posted 05 February 2019 - 05:24 AM
renzor51, on 01 February 2019 - 12:45 AM, said:
You've pretty much answered your own question right there.
Both are very good mechs, duo to hardpoint placements, tonnage capacity and hitboxes.
The twist comes with your question, "dakka and lasers".
The Roughneck is good at boating dakka or missiles, or dakka and missiles. Roughneck 3A is a good enery boat but there isn't one good dakka and energy Roughneck.
The Roughneck 2A and Reaver Hero have far worse hardpoint placement then any of the Dakka+Laser Warhammer variants namely 6R or Black Widow.
So if it's Dakka AND Energy, the Warhammer 6R wins out by a longshot.
Edited by Toha Heavy Industries, 05 February 2019 - 05:28 AM.
#11
Posted 05 February 2019 - 06:22 AM
Thing's a murderous beast with high mounts and armor/structure to spare.
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Edited by Acersecomic, 05 February 2019 - 06:25 AM.
#12
Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:02 AM
#14
Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:13 AM
Edited by RedZetkin, 05 February 2019 - 08:15 AM.
#15
Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:04 AM
Mister Maf, on 05 February 2019 - 08:02 AM, said:
People who find the Warhammer "amazing" are the one who go full dakka and play second line (even tho they have a heavy).
If you're used to use heavies for the frontline (like i do), warhammer don't feel that amazing lol.
#16
Posted 05 February 2019 - 12:46 PM
I play it with 2 LBX10 and 4ML or 2 AC10 and 4ML. I prefer the first build, because you have enough weight to keep an AMS active as well. I tend to play on the front line, but I do not charge in. I tend to try to trade, but stay close to the front line, ideally rotating into the front line and back out of it. If we are a couple or so kills ahead and I still have good armour, I tend to lead pushes, which explains why my surviveability is a good bit higher with the Marauder than the Warhammer.
I think the Warhammer is a good solid mech and I enjoy playing it more than the Roughneck. /shrug It is not amazing, though. I think the only mechs I own that I feel are amazing are my Crabs and Bushwackers (though not all chassis from them).
***EDIT: I think one of the major problems these days is that nobody wants to be on the front line... Everybody is playing second line mechs... Unfortunately, someone has to be at the front... Which is why I enjoy the Crab and Bushwacker so much.***
Edited by Darakor Stormwind, 05 February 2019 - 12:53 PM.
#17
Posted 05 February 2019 - 01:31 PM
Darakor Stormwind, on 05 February 2019 - 12:46 PM, said:
I tend to die among the first in the team if I die in the match because I play frontline even in my lights and mediums, let alone heavies and assaults xD Death comes from the team still being such cowards that not only they do not follow behind me, they hide everywhere! Cowards... no mech warrior in them.
#18
Posted 05 February 2019 - 02:18 PM
Mister Maf, on 05 February 2019 - 08:02 AM, said:
If this were true why is the WHM the premier winning mech in many 1v1 tournaments and no one brings RGH?
Hitboxes.
#19
Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:15 PM
justcallme A S H, on 05 February 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:
If this were true why is the WHM the premier winning mech in many 1v1 tournaments and no one brings RGH?
Hitboxes.
I always thought the Roughneck (due to health quirks) was considered more durable, but the Warhammer has good durability (from good hit boxes) combined with better average weapon hardpoints and options.
AKA: Hit boxes are probably part of the reason, but weapon options is probably the main reason (when combined with hit boxes).
Personally speaking, I don't like the Roughneck because of how it looks. The Warhammer elbows bug me a bit, but besides that they each seem like solid mechs. Warhammer, as mentioned above, is probably the better mech because it tends to have better weapon options.
#20
Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:34 PM
justcallme A S H, on 05 February 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:
If this were true why is the WHM the premier winning mech in many 1v1 tournaments and no one brings RGH?
Hitboxes.
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