196 replies to this topic

[Racerxintegra2k]

LRMs were perfectly fine before. All this switching around and we end up with a mess, wish i could say i was surprised.

[K O Z A K]

Can you imagine all the parts of maps we couldn't use before we'll be able to play on now? It's like we got 50% increase in usable map areas (75%+ on some maps)

[Thorqemada]

What an interesting threat of Elitists taking again MWO victim and advocating the exclusion of Players of an already much dwindled down Playerbase as they have to that Elitists an unapreciated playstyle in with the purity of their gameplay success is endagered.

Way to go for those who want MWO last some time longer...

Edited by Thorqemada, 20 March 2019 - 06:21 AM.

[Darkstrand]

I guess now the real question is whether this will stop players from boating LRMs on assault mechs. I think it won't, and they will be even heavier than before. There are kind of two sides to this coin. Well let's just enjoy it while we can.

[Athom83]

Hazeclaw, on 20 March 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

Can you imagine all the parts of maps we couldn't use before we'll be able to play on now? It's like we got 50% increase in usable map areas (75%+ on some maps)

This, is exactly why

Racerxintegra2k, on 20 March 2019 - 06:15 AM, said:

LRMs were perfectly fine before. All this switching around and we end up with a mess, wish i could say i was surprised.

^this statement is false. They weren't "perfectly fine". They were okay in the sense that you could travel specific routes in order to minimize the damage the rain does, while all other routes/tactics only ended up with you and your team being constantly hit by a continuous barrage of missiles. It effectively nullified most areas of every map, so combat only really ever happened in the same locations.

[Prototelis]

Wait a week, the AMS will die down.

I like that AMS is effective against streaks, that is a treat.

They should buff the health back up on manually aimed missiles.

Edited by Prototelis, 20 March 2019 - 06:26 AM.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Athom83, on 20 March 2019 - 06:25 AM, said:

^this statement is false. They weren't "perfectly fine". They were okay in the sense that you could travel specific routes in order to minimize the damage the rain does, while all other routes/tactics only ended up with you and your team being constantly hit by a continuous barrage of missiles. It effectively nullified most areas of every map, so combat only really ever happened in the same locations.

probably could have just Buffed the hell out of AMS without all the other crap and been perfectly fine. What most people dont understand is those targeted by the changes will not adapt they will simply leave. Might sound good, but can our community afford another double dip % drop in population ? Every time PGI implements somthing like this we bleed players.

[Athom83]

Thorqemada, on 20 March 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

What an interesting threat of Elitists taking again MWO victim and advocating the exclusion of Players of an already much dwindled down Playerbase as they have to that Elitists an unapreciated playstyle in with the purity of their gameplay success is endagered.

Way to go for those who want MWO last some time longer...

"Underappreciated playstyle" ******* lol you are diluted mate.None of us have issues with LRMs as a weapon, especially when used how its supposed to. Our problems were how easy it was to abuse and the types of players that sat 600-800 meters from the fight in an assault mech and do nothing but stare at the back of a hill while the pretty red circle spins and closes around a red box, then click their mouse every once in a while.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I don't want to engage in the whole "LRM lovers vs. haters"-thing, but to jump to conclusions from perceptions made on patchday after a major overhaul of an aspect of the game... is the same as saying "I'm seeing nothing but COR-BRs in queue. That thing is OP as hell!"
Really, as long as there is no technical flaw (admittedly the whole AMS fring through terrain is a bit flawy), there's no urgent need to act. Just observe and see how it turns out.

Edited by Aidan Crenshaw, 20 March 2019 - 06:40 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

I think the way to buff direct fire of LRMs is a good one and should be supported.
The indirect fire mode, however, should be kicked into the balls...repeatedly...again and again...and then some more

CUTE PUPPY LUV, on 20 March 2019 - 12:51 AM, said:

Now the AMS is like those Phalanx anti missile turrets. 4x LRM20 with tag from 200m cause little damage or not at all. I like the IDF and LOS changes. No problem playing close support LRM. I like it.

But the AMS seriously? Destroying incoming missiles through buildings and walls?

LRM is utterly useless now. Why not remove it from the game?

Congratulations again. Excellent job.

But hey, now you know how it feels when a light mech encounters a streak boat. Enjoy!

Edited by Bush Hopper, 20 March 2019 - 06:51 AM.

[K O Z A K]

All the people talking about losing players because free damage buttoners will leave are delusional. I don't think you understand how many people left and continued to leave the game over how frustrating lrms were.

Where were all of you when multiple playstyles that actually required ability to play and could be shot back at were nerfed into the ground

[denAirwalkerrr]

Hazeclaw, on 20 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

All the people talking about losing players because free damage buttoners will leave are delusional. I don't think you understand how many people left and continued to leave the game over how frustrating lrms were.

Where were all of you when multiple playstyles that actually required ability to play and could be shot back at were nerfed into the ground

Because it's only weapon system then can do 500+ dmg. Note how they whine only about LRMs when MRMs and SRMs got heavily shafted (from -30% to whopping -80% on MRM40) by missle HP changes.



P.S. look at that glorious 2HP cLRM20, really makes you wonder why AMS was a useless trash before especially against cLRM80+ boats

Edited by denAirwalkerrr, 20 March 2019 - 07:04 AM.

[Darion Rothgarr]

Seems that this is a direct over reaction by PGI to the perceived buffs to LRMs. Give it some time and keep the feedback coming. Im currently in the game is overtuned against missiles camp from my own experiences. Although, now lights have a reason to carry AMS as a hard counter against streaks.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Darion Rothgarr, on 20 March 2019 - 07:01 AM, said:

Seems that this is a direct over reaction by PGI to the perceived buffs to LRMs. Give it some time and keep the feedback coming. Im currently in the game is overtuned against missiles camp from my own experiences. Although, now lights have a reason to carry AMS as a hard counter against streaks.

Won't matter if you're getting streaked from under 100m.

[Darion Rothgarr]

denAirwalkerrr, on 20 March 2019 - 07:02 AM, said:

Won't matter if you're getting streaked from under 100m.

Does it help in shooting some of the volley? Considering how missile health is trashed and AMS reacts, having another light as a buddy system will help but thats just theory crafting at the moment and not diret experience.

[Vxheous]

denAirwalkerrr, on 20 March 2019 - 07:00 AM, said:

Because it's only weapon system then can do 500+ dmg. Note how they whine only about LRMs when MRMs and SRMs got heavily shafted (from -30% to whopping -80% on MRM40) by missle HP changes.



P.S. look at that glorious 2HP cLRM20, really makes you wonder why AMS was a useless trash before especially against cLRM80+ boats

No wonder the pre-patch LRM 80 clanboats with 3K missiles and neutral heat could just nuke through AMS.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Darion Rothgarr, on 20 March 2019 - 07:06 AM, said:

Does it help in shooting some of the volley? Considering how missile health is trashed and AMS reacts, having another light as a buddy system will help but thats just theory crafting at the moment and not diret experience.

Given most popular SSRM boats usually have 5+ SSRM6 even with 2xAMS it will be probably 3-4 missles out of 30+ at which point you're better off havimg a bigger engine tbh. You still will be an appretiated ATM/LRM counter tho but lights are more effective if they manage to pick off LRM boats at the back.

[K O Z A K]

Darion Rothgarr, on 20 March 2019 - 07:01 AM, said:

Although, now lights have a reason to carry AMS as a hard counter against streaks.

that kind of seems fair though no? Lights are extremely strapped for tonnage as it is, bringing an AMS on a light is a huge trade off for their already small offensive capability

edit: why the hell did clan 20s have twice the health of all other lrms before the patch? That makes 0 sense, but it does explain a lot

Edited by Hazeclaw, 20 March 2019 - 07:12 AM.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Hazeclaw, on 20 March 2019 - 07:10 AM, said:

that kind of seems fair though no? Lights are extremely strapped for tonnage as it is, bringing an AMS on a light is a huge trade off for their already small offensive capability

And this.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Hazeclaw, on 20 March 2019 - 07:10 AM, said:

edit: why the hell did clan 20s have twice the health of all other lrms before the patch? That makes 0 sense, but it does explain a lot

Pretty sure you know who to ask (: