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[FupDup]

Nightbird, on 25 July 2019 - 10:47 AM, said:

Yeah... whoever that works at EPIC didn't do their homework.... oh well, they have money to burn and PGI got a windfall, only the customers are screwed

All that Epic Games money is gonna be cancelled out by the tidal wave of incoming refund requests. Instead of playing it safe PGI decided to take a short-term cash bonus at the expense of possibly putting the final nail in the company's coffin.

[Nightbird]

FupDup, on 25 July 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:

All that Epic Games money is gonna be cancelled out by the tidal wave of incoming refund requests. Instead of playing it safe PGI decided to take a short-term cash bonus at the expense of possibly putting the final nail in the company's coffin.

It's not going to get cancelled, exclusive deals involve so much money that PGI will be in profit even if all pre-orders are cancelled and 0 copies sell in the EPIC store on release.

[Wing 0]

I posted something about this awhile back and the community didn't care to realize at the time that it might happen here. Turns out I was right and many others were wrong. PGI just engaged in something called F-U-C-K-E-R-Y. Im sure many have pre-ordered the game under the impression that it would be on steam and didn't agree with wanting to go to epic game store one bit. I would've rather seen the game on steam since MWO is already on it. It makes no sense to go to the "EPIC FAIL STORE" since the ***** Tim Sweeny has been poaching future game titles and this crap is not something as a consumer am willing to tolerate. PGI. you guys are complete dumbasses. you abandoned your customers for the sake of profit.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Nightbird, on 25 July 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

It's not going to get cancelled, exclusive deals involve so much money that PGI will be in profit even if all pre-orders are cancelled and 0 copies sell in the EPIC store on release.

So, like, EPIC says "Make your game exclusive here and we give you 25,000,000,000 dollars?"

that they have to entice devs and then say you cant sell the game anywhere else but here for a year screams fishy as **** to me....seems like another up and coming EA/Bethesda company...

[Armored Yokai]

PGI should start hiring near god tier coders. All that money from Epic games should make Mechwarrior 5 combine all of the best aspects from each previous mechwarrior to make it the ultimate mechwarrior of our time

[LordKnightFandragon]

Armored Yokai, on 25 July 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:

PGI should start hiring near god tier coders. All that money from Epic games should make Mechwarrior 5 combine all of the best aspects from each previous mechwarrior to make it the ultimate mechwarrior of our time

Lol, its going to go to buying them a new boat, fancier toilet seat, monthly company pizza party and new cars for every employee. Fk the game and the playerbase....

[Wing 0]

Armored Yokai, on 25 July 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:

PGI should start hiring near god tier coders. All that money from Epic games should make Mechwarrior 5 combine all of the best aspects from each previous mechwarrior to make it the ultimate mechwarrior of our time

That's never going to happen.

BTW. Heres something I talked about awhile back.

https://mwomercs.com...89#entry6245489

Edited by Wing 0, 25 July 2019 - 11:36 AM.

[Dr Hobo]

Hope that Tencent money was worth it.

PGI wont hire better coders,or people who understand the engine better. They didn't scoop up any CryTek staff as far as I knew when CryTek was downsizing for MWO.

They just figured shooting more skins,baubles and mechs was the ezpz path instead of working on infowar,clan wars etc,

[Wing 0]

I think ill take my money over to CD Projekt Red. Cyberpunk 2077 was something wanted to pre-order since they offer it on ANY platform of choice to the consumer. At least with them, They are loyal to customers.

Edited by Wing 0, 25 July 2019 - 01:23 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 April 2019 - 07:40 AM, said:

Don't worry, MW5 isn't popular enough for Epic to bother wasting money on it

I hate being wrong

[Wilhelm Kerensky]

FupDup, on 25 July 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:

All that Epic Games money is gonna be cancelled out by the tidal wave of incoming refund requests. Instead of playing it safe PGI decided to take a short-term cash bonus at the expense of possibly putting the final nail in the company's coffin.

Precisely. The first reason I can imagine PGI pulling this stunt is because the Epic store is enticing devs to publish on there first, or only, by promising them a larger cut of the profit vs Steam... Installed user base, however, is another story...

Nightbird, on 25 July 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

It's not going to get cancelled, exclusive deals involve so much money that PGI will be in profit even if all pre-orders are cancelled and 0 copies sell in the EPIC store on release.

I highly doubt that. Even if it is an initial net gain between the years of us whaling for PGI, and the Epic Store carrot under their noses, they will still need continued sales to sustain their funding, and since the Epic Store probably has maybe a couple of percentage points of the Steam user base, and they won't be releasing it for a year onto Steam, AND those of us (including me) who are demanding refunds because they lied to us... from the standpoint of economics and consumer numbers, I just can't see MW5 Mercs being a commercial success with this BS move...

Edited by Wilhelm Kerensky, 25 July 2019 - 03:41 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

FupDup, on 25 July 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:

All that Epic Games money is gonna be cancelled out by the tidal wave of incoming refund requests. Instead of playing it safe PGI decided to take a short-term cash bonus at the expense of possibly putting the final nail in the company's coffin.

EGS exclusivity deals probably have a clause that covers pre-order cancellations and guarantees that Epic will cover all expected losses up to the amount PGI expected to make had they released as normal.

[VonBruinwald]

Y E O N N E, on 25 July 2019 - 03:42 PM, said:

EGS exclusivity deals probably have a clause that covers pre-order cancellations and guarantees that Epic will cover all expected losses up to the amount PGI expected to make had they released as normal.

This. People cancelling their pre-orders has no affect on PGI's "sales".

[Wiley Coyote]

VonBruinwald, on 25 July 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

This. People cancelling their pre-orders has no affect on PGI's "sales".

Ya but it makes those that cancel or will be cancelling their preorders feel better. It will for me.

[MischiefSC]

VonBruinwald, on 25 July 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

This. People cancelling their pre-orders has no affect on PGI's "sales".

Not entirely true.

If I'm disconnecting from MW5 a year (or more) before I'm going to play it the odds of my re-investing in it declines significantly.

I may not be the total whale some people are but I'm certainly a spender. I have literally most the mech packs and pre-orders. I preordered the largest package for MW5.

However EGS is a bad experience and I say that having tried, repeatedly to use it. I wanted it to be a thing as I really dislike steams model, it's a bad deal for developers, especially small ones. If I take the step to cancel I'm not going to be throwing money at MW5. If the only real money PGI makes from MW5 is the Epic exclusive deal money and the player base moves on in the interim, where does that leave them? 12 months may feel like a long time waiting for a game but for a business that's a super short time.

So much goodwill burned. Unfortunate.

[Prototelis]

Actually dude its entirely true; epic reimburses lost pre-orders.

So in the event you do actually buy the game at a later time its like you bought it twice.

[Shadowomega1]

VonBruinwald, on 25 July 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

This. People cancelling their pre-orders has no affect on PGI's "sales".

Well in away it does as these were pre sales. Out of those who knows how many will return when it is no longer exclusive or if PGI will be around when that exclusivity ends; as it is right now there are people being driven away from the epic store by epics on practices. Also out of the number of people on the store, how many people are they just for Fortnite and don't spend money elsewhere.

Now if PGI was smart it could have launched on Steam, Epic, and GOG and the fans wouldn't have care, while having a massive net to pull players in with, now they have a small net in a small pond.

Edited by Shadowomega1, 25 July 2019 - 04:23 PM.

[Wilhelm Kerensky]

Shadowomega1, on 25 July 2019 - 04:21 PM, said:

Well in away it does as these were pre sales. Out of those who knows how many will return when it is no longer exclusive or if PGI will be around when that exclusivity ends; as it is right now there are people being driven away from the epic store by epics on practices. Also out of the number of people on the store, how many people are they just for Fortnite and don't spend money elsewhere.

Now if PGI was smart it could have launched on Steam, Epic, and GOG and the fans wouldn't have care, while having a massive net to pull players in with, now they have a small net in a small pond.

This. Right here. If PGI had offered a choice of keys on different stores, then I might have kept my pre-order... but I'll be damned if I'm promised Steam and then they try to force me to use another game service!

The only reason I have an Epic Games Store account is because I got Overwatch in a Humble Monthly Bundle, but otherwise, I just keep adding the free games they give away every two weeks. Why would anyone buy anything on the Epic Store when they're constantly giving away games for free?

Also, no mods, at least for the Epic Store version - that was the final nail in the coffin. I was hoping the community would get to modding the game and add a TON more free, expansive content like MW4 (we all know PGIs GLORIOUS track record of providing content), but the version I would be getting has no moddability, while the Steam version will, or at least might?

Double HELL NO!

Edited by Wilhelm Kerensky, 25 July 2019 - 04:49 PM.

[Sigmar Sich]

Sigmar Sich, on 28 March 2019 - 06:05 AM, said:

...don't worry.
I doubt MW5 will be exclusive to any service. But Steam is mentioned as primary.

Time to laugh at myself

And to cry for how PGI keeps its word.

Well, this a good lesson about preordering games, for those who didn't learned it yet. Especially doing so from a not entirely trustworthy developers.

[Wilhelm Kerensky]

Just announced on the Developer AMA, right from the horse's a**, err, mouth, Russ: Epic is NOT subsidizing the pre-order refunds.

There were about 20K pre-orders, and already 700+ refunds...

*EDIT* Numbers of refunds was a TAD off - apparently I heard wrong.

Edited by Wilhelm Kerensky, 25 July 2019 - 05:41 PM.