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[FRAGTAST1C]

• Panther PNT-10K(C)
  
• Crab CRB-27B(C)
  
• Grasshopper GHR-5H(C)
  
• Zeus ZEU-6T(C)
  
• Jenner IIC JR7-IIC(C)
  
• Hunchback IIC HBK-IIC(C)
  
• Orion IIC ON1-IIC-A(C)
  
• Highlander IIC HGN-IIC-C(C)
  
• Wolfhound WLF-1(C)
  
• Phoenix HAWK PXH-2(C)
  
• Warhammer WHM-6D(C)
  
• Adder ADR-PRIME(C)
  
• Nova NVA-S(C)
  
• Kodiak KDK-3(C)
  
• Roughneck RGH-1A(C)
  
• Bushwacker BSW-S2(C)

Criteria are Agility, Versatility (can run loadouts that can be good at close range or at 300-400m away), A good balance between Damage (DPS) or Killing Power (Burst Damage) and Survivability (XL-friendly and so on).

Zeus, Grasshopper and Crab are probably good at DPS but not Survivability while Kodiak and Highlander are good at Killing Power but not Versatility and Agility.

[GeminiWolf]

FRAGTAST1C, on 28 March 2019 - 07:21 PM, said:

• Panther PNT-10K(C)
  
• Crab CRB-27B(C)
  
• Grasshopper GHR-5H(C)
  
• Zeus ZEU-6T(C)
  
• Jenner IIC JR7-IIC(C)
  
• Hunchback IIC HBK-IIC(C)
  
• Orion IIC ON1-IIC-A(C)
  
• Highlander IIC HGN-IIC-C(C)
  
• Wolfhound WLF-1(C)
  
• Phoenix HAWK PXH-2(C)
  
• Warhammer WHM-6D(C)
  
• Adder ADR-PRIME(C)
  
• Nova NVA-S(C)
  
• Kodiak KDK-3(C)
  
• Roughneck RGH-1A(C)
  
• Bushwacker BSW-S2(C)

Criteria are Agility, Versatility (can run loadouts that can be good at close range or at 300-400m away), A good balance between Damage (DPS) or Killing Power (Burst Damage) and Survivability (XL-friendly and so on).


Zeus, Grasshopper and Crab are probably good at DPS but not Survivability while Kodiak and Highlander are good at Killing Power but not Versatility and Agility.

Panther worst mech ever

[Sergeant Destroy]

Orion is fine. ac/lb 20 + 4xsrm6+lams. Also not too slow. Just do the twist.

Edited by Sergeant Destroy, 28 March 2019 - 07:57 PM.

[Wil McCullough]

Hunchie ii is pretty great. Heavy level firepower in boombox form.

[The6thMessenger]

Wil McCullough, on 28 March 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

Hunchie ii is pretty great. Heavy level firepower in boombox form.

Powerful, but problem is the survivability. It's rather fragile.

Honestly, with the criteria, I could only trust the Whammy and the Roughneck. The Bushy is also okay, but it would be on the lighter side.

[thievingCLAGpie]

Whichever fits the most LRMs

[Wil McCullough]

The6thMessenger, on 28 March 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

Powerful, but problem is the survivability. It's rather fragile.

Honestly, with the criteria, I could only trust the Whammy and the Roughneck. The Bushy is also okay, but it would be on the lighter side.

It's pretty survivable in its role as a top-side peeker cos of the high mounts (less exposure). Also cxl. It does crumble quickly if exposed and focused though. One funny thing about it is that the laser vom version is so hot that you take ages to cool down after you alpha. It's funny because opponents forget about you extremely quickly since you spend almost all your time navel gazing behind cover waiting for your heat bar to drop haha.

[Phoenix 72]

Well, the Crab is a really good medium tank, due to really good hitboxes. I still would not put XL engines on it, though. It does have good DPS, but no real burst. Here an example of how to play it:



If you watch some more of Baradul's Crab video's, you can see a number of examples of how sturdy the Cab can be. It is one of my favourite Mechs.

Other than that, a lot of the Champion builds are not really as good as some of the standard builds. But generally speaking, the Roughneck is generally quite sturdy due to really nice quirks. And the Warhammer is usually quite a good chassis, too, due to decent hitboxes and good quirks.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Darakor Stormwind, on 28 March 2019 - 10:31 PM, said:

If you watch some more of Baradul's Crab video's, you can see a number of examples of how sturdy the Cab can be. It is one of my favourite Mechs.

Other than that, a lot of the Champion builds are not really as good as some of the standard builds. But generally speaking, the Roughneck is generally quite sturdy due to really nice quirks. And the Warhammer is usually quite a good chassis, too, due to decent hitboxes and good quirks.

Actually, it's thanks to Baradul's videos that I target the legs of the Crab whenever I see one and it has given me a lot of success in quickly taking it down. I even call out to my team-mates to target the legs and we end up killing an exposed quickly by legging it.

So, the Roughneck would offer two big ballistic weapons that can be fired from 400m away while being agile and keeping the DPS up until the late game where I presume you use LBX 10s in your loadout, will be great against open components.

The Warhammer will probably use ERPPC or LPL with some backup lasers and try to balance the heat, I guess.

[Phoenix 72]

What can I say, almost nobody actually targets the legs of the Crabs in quick play. I am very rarely legged. Between maybe 400 Crab matches on my two accounts, I think I was legged maybe 5 times. If you directly go for a Crab's legs, good for you.

[PhoenixFire55]

FRAGTAST1C, on 28 March 2019 - 07:21 PM, said:

... and Crab are probably good at DPS but not Survivability

Ahem ... Crab is actually among THE tankiest mechs in game.

[FRAGTAST1C]

PhoenixFire55, on 29 March 2019 - 12:25 AM, said:

Ahem ... Crab is actually among THE tankiest mechs in game.

Unless someone goes after the legs. I don't think I have come across a Crab that I haven't targeted the legs immediately and called out for others to do the same.

[PhoenixFire55]

FRAGTAST1C, on 29 March 2019 - 12:28 AM, said:

Unless someone goes after the legs. I don't think I have come across a Crab that I haven't targeted the legs immediately and called out for others to do the same.

You can protect your legs with your own arms if you aim downwards between your shots.

[FRAGTAST1C]

PhoenixFire55, on 29 March 2019 - 12:30 AM, said:

You can protect your legs with your own arms if you aim downwards between your shots.

No, thanks. I'll stay away from the Crab. I don't want to use my Pinocchio nose to shield my crotch either.

[PhoenixFire55]

FRAGTAST1C, on 29 March 2019 - 12:39 AM, said:

No, thanks. I'll stay away from the Crab. I don't want to use my Pinocchio nose to shield my crotch either.

Suit yourself, but don't misinform others about it either.

[FRAGTAST1C]

PhoenixFire55, on 29 March 2019 - 12:40 AM, said:

Suit yourself, but don't misinform others about it either.

What misinformation? I just mentioned why it can be killed quickly. If you want to call it "misinformation", go ahead. I'd rather have better arguments than "shield legs with arms".

[BoldricKent]

Phoenix Hawk 2. While it has a bit of hit boxes issues, it checks out all of your demands and trumps it with ECM, having all weapons in arms, you can twist as your heart desires. From the chosen list, easily one of more undervalued mech.
I picked Zeus 6T, my own has more classical bulid, but the champion version is a lot of fun and it preforms better then expected, its is one of better assault cavalry mech for IS.

[PhoenixFire55]

FRAGTAST1C, on 29 March 2019 - 12:48 AM, said:

What misinformation? I just mentioned why it can be killed quickly. If you want to call it "misinformation", go ahead. I'd rather have better arguments than "shield legs with arms".

As I've said, suit yourself, but don't expect any further advice with this kind of attitude.

[Lily from animove]

I'd take the adder and the NVA because I do actually use those. But there are others form the efficiency point of view you should choose.

[FRAGTAST1C]

BoldricKent, on 29 March 2019 - 01:00 AM, said:

Phoenix Hawk 2. While it has a bit of hit boxes issues, it checks out all of your demands and trumps it with ECM, having all weapons in arms, you can twist as your heart desires. From the chosen list, easily one of more undervalued mech. I picked Zeus 6T, my own has more classical bulid, but the champion version is a lot of fun and it preforms better then expected, its is one of better assault cavalry mech for IS.

Yeah, I had a look at the Zeus during the last X'mas event and I liked it but I picked the Mauler instead, sadly. I don't know if I want another IS Assault mech, free as it may be. Definitely, something to consider. It's like the Orion IIC but with missiles and lasers instead, not including the hardpoint numbers and location, of course.

PhoenixFire55, on 29 March 2019 - 01:01 AM, said:

As I've said, suit yourself, but don't expect any further advice with this kind of attitude.

Seriously, man, wind it in. You gave me a piece of advice, I mentioned something that countered it and your comeback was to say something like to shield legs with arms, to which I said something funny. Then you went on to tell me that I shouldn't spread misinformation. Really? Now, I have an attitude problem? What is this SJW-level nonsense?

Lily from animove, on 29 March 2019 - 01:20 AM, said:

I'd take the adder and the NVA because I do actually use those. But there are others form the efficiency point of view you should choose.

Isn't the Nova a bit slow for an Omnimech? Correct me if I'm wrong but it runs at 81kph? Can I fit it some ranged weapons or do you think I should go with MPLs? I mean, C-MPLs have 300m or so as optimum range, which is nice but still, any loadout you specialize in?

Edited by FRAGTAST1C, 29 March 2019 - 01:26 AM.