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[GuardDogg]

justcallme A S H, on 01 May 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

One game?

Dude I've seen you in the past week I believe 4-5 times. Each time you've been horribly out of position and failed to do more than 250dmg each time. The most recent game you did a whopping 20 damage. So if you do that 5/5 games, guess what, you're doing it ALL the timr. There is no way you're gonna tell me that was a "random 5 games".

Your issue is you issue alone - you have no map awareness at all.

Lol growing up to do? I'm not the one in denial champ. Time to go look in the mirror and you'll find your issue

I have dealt with your kind many times (from my career (retired)) long ago. And by reading, your mindset is in the 20s, stubborn, telling others off online, only think about yourself, and not what others think or helping other team mates to make a win. You are only recording my bad plays, never see the good ones. It seems to appear both of us are in the same rounds when it happens. (Now, thanks to stats, I couldn't care about). I have noticed when both of us are on same team. Were bound to lose the round. Realizing a mistake I made by calling out "**** team" (Very sorry to those pilots). I am now watching you, and only you alone. That, now you have to do perform better than you are now, when we are on same round. Your future karma is coming. Not today, not tomorrow, not next month. But many years from now. To bad, I will not be around to see it (you will be in a different game or something). It is coming.

You didn't need to post/link up anything onto here from another thread about another issue. Not about me, or others what you think. The topic is about 60 tons addiction. Keep the topic on what the poster is concerned about.

[Jman5]

Mystere, on 01 May 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

Again, how does Jarl measure these?

• command abilities
  
• playing vanguard
  
• distraction
  
• baiting
  
• enemy suppression

With a higher winrate if what you are doing is noticeably helping your team. My highest winning season was back in December which also happens to be the season I tried drop calling nearly every match. It was kind of exhausting so I stopped and my winrate plummeted the following season.

The real trap people fall into is not critically assessing if their unquantifiables are actually helping their team win more games than if they had just played normally. The first season I started maining Lights, I had all sorts of special tactics I thought was helping me win games. Eventually I realized that I won way more games and scored higher if I just stuck with my team and played normally. However I wouldn't have gotten there if I just blindly told myself what I am doing is working perfectly, but it's the system that isn't capturing my greatness!

Honestly, I'd love to see someone put on a masterclass in squirreling. Show that it can be done consistently and wins you lots of games. I'm generally skeptical of the value of sacrificial plays because it usually requires your team to take advantage of a timing window. If they don't, then you just tossed your mech away for nothing. Plus it sort of puts an upper limit on your total contribution that game if you end up dying or taking too long out of the fight.

[justcallme A S H]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

I have dealt with your kind many times (from my career (retired)) long ago. And by reading, your mindset is in the 20s, stubborn, telling others off online, only think about yourself, and not what others think or helping other team mates to make a win. You are only recording my bad plays, never see the good ones. It seems to appear both of us are in the same rounds when it happens. (Now, thanks to stats, I couldn't care about). I have noticed when both of us are on same team. Were bound to lose the round. Realizing a mistake I made by calling out "**** team" (Very sorry to those pilots). I am now watching you, and only you alone. That, now you have to do perform better than you are now, when we are on same round. Your future karma is coming. Not today, not tomorrow, not next month. But many years from now. To bad, I will not be around to see it (you will be in a different game or something). It is coming.

You didn't need to post/link up anything onto here from another thread about another issue. Not about me, or others what you think. The topic is about 60 tons addiction. Keep the topic on what the poster is concerned about.

Only recording your bad plays? MWO records all of them and Jarls makes it easily accessible. As you're in the bottom 35% of the player base - reread that 5 times and let it sink in - it's no surprise you're constantly out of position.

It's ok to be bad at a video game champ. Dont feel bad about it.

However do not EVER claim that the issue for YOUR poor stats is a balance/mech or team issue. Your stats are yours and only your issue. You're delusional if you think anything else.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 01 May 2019 - 04:48 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

VonBruinwald, on 01 May 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

I don't believe he's as far outside the box as you imagine.

Being in the bottom 35% is well outside a "standard" deviation. The only one imagining is you.

[cougurt]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

You are only recording my bad plays, never see the good ones.

maybe he's not seeing the good ones because they're an infrequent occurrence? consistently good performance is what makes a good player, not the odd match here and there where you happen to score well.

[GuardDogg]

cougurt, on 01 May 2019 - 04:56 PM, said:

maybe he's not seeing the good ones because they're an infrequent occurrence? consistently good performance is what makes a good player, not the odd match here and there where you happen to score well.

Exactly. The guy is only in the rounds, I do bad. Doesn't make sense, how, why it happens. I never noticed, until lately, the guy been making a lot of noise with my call sign. He never sees, the 2100, 800s, 400s. The guy is only seeing "200" or less, then my bad plays. And looking at my stats together, then calling it out to others how bad I am (negative results to others). I couldn't care about numbers. I just play, average 200-400. Do my best, help the team. I am unable to use Mech piloting skills. Because you have to rush to center, only go theta, or go top, nascar. I end up playing aggressive, or I can twiddle my thumbs and wait. This is not suppose to be COD. But it appears people sign up to MWO, and bring their COD plays to MWO. MWO has a lot of flaws, and their is a lot.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 May 2019 - 05:16 PM.

[HenryFA]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

Exactly. The guy is only in the rounds, I do bad. Doesn't make sense, how, why it happens. I never noticed, until lately, the guy been making a lot of noise with my call sign. He never sees, the 2100, 800s, 400s. The guy is only seeing "200" or less, then my bad plays. And looking at my stats together, then calling it out to others how bad I am (negative results to others). I couldn't care about numbers. I just play, average 200-400. Do my best, help the team. I am unable to use Mech piloting skills. Because you have to rush to center, only go theta, or go top, nascar. I end up playing aggressive, or I can twiddle my thumbs and wait. This is not suppose to be COD. But it appears people sign up to MWO, and bring their COD plays to MWO. MWO has a lot of flaws, and their is a lot.

average "200-400"? stop lying, you're hurting my brain.
None of you average match score for the last 10 months passes the 200 point mark.
if your statement is true, then your average score should be atleast 250, not around -200.

If you still want to prove that we are wrong, and the reason of having such a low average score is due to your team...
1v1, with stock mechs

[GuardDogg]

HenryFA, on 01 May 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

average "200-400"? stop lying, you're hurting my brain.
None of you average match score for the last 10 months passes the 200 point mark.
if your statement is true, then your average score should be atleast 250, not around -200.

If you still want to prove that we are wrong, and the reason of having such a low average score is due to your team...
1v1, with stock mechs

And where are you getting that from?

[HenryFA]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

And where are you getting that from?

https://leaderboard....rch?u=GuardDogg


Duh

Edited by HenryFA, 01 May 2019 - 05:39 PM.

[GuardDogg]

HenryFA, on 01 May 2019 - 05:34 PM, said:

https://leaderboard....rch?u=GuardDogg


Duh

Oh you are looking at that. (rolls eyes). I never ever seen that, until a few weeks ago. To be more honest. I do get the 150, and that one round with with "JustCallMe.....ASH" 20. I do get some above 300, a round with 1200, next round will be 215, next round will be 85, next round will 620, next round 140, next round 255, next round 120, next round 433, next round 185, next round 190, next round 820, next round 360. It fluctuates. So, that is how it goes.

Guessed at those numbers, but is how it is.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 May 2019 - 05:46 PM.

[HenryFA]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

Oh you are looking at that. (rolls eyes). I never ever seen that, until a few weeks ago. To be more honest. I do get the 150, and that one round with with "JustCallMe.....ASH" 20. I do get some above 300, a round with 1200, next round will be 215, next round will be 85, next round will 620, next round 140, next round 255, next round 120, next round 433, next round 185, next round 190, next round 820, next round 360. It fluctuates. So, that is how it goes.

Im talking about AVERAGE MATCHSCORE, not DAMAGE PER MATCH.
You can do tons of dmg by using LRMs(and doing 70% of non-effective damage), or triggering ammo explosion.
And dmg is not the only thing that will affect your matchscore, everything matters.
UAV locks, TAG and NARC, AMS etc. Everything counts.

Btw, damage below 250 means you screwed up super hard, which also means you're a deadweight to your team.
Especially when you are piloting Assaults and Heavies as your main, which is a joke.

[GuardDogg]

HenryFA, on 01 May 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

Im talking about AVERAGE MATCHSCORE, not DAMAGE PER MATCH.
You can do tons of dmg by using LRMs(and doing 70% of non-effective damage), or triggering ammo explosion.
And dmg is not the only thing that will affect your matchscore, everything matters.
UAV locks, TAG and NARC, AMS etc. Everything counts.

Btw, damage below 250 means you screwed up super hard, which also means you're a deadweight to your team.
Especially when you are piloting Assaults and Heavies as your main, which is a joke.

Well I never look at match score. Yes, I can average 150 (I guess) there. Furthermore, I never use LRMs...
I do not know how I could be dead weight, when I am with my team mates (balling up). Like I wrote earlier, I am aggressive, or I could be twiddling my thumbs waiting which I prefer not to do. Just finishing a round, Damage of 250. 2nd to go down. Team was waiting to move up ramp, so i moved up alone. Enemy was lots, and I was outnumbered (of course). Then team followed.

Previous. I see on mini map no enemy in front. I move up, next thing is 10 enemy mechs firing on me. I back up, and I only now see 2 on mini map. What does that say. Lack of information. I circled around and winged with a maruader 2 (100 ton), and worked along side with it helping it. My damage score 156. What does that say? I am dead weight pilot I guess.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 May 2019 - 06:11 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

Oh you are looking at that. (rolls eyes)

Why roll eyes? Because it shows what you are claiming to be utterly untrue?

There is no concieveable way with, 174 average match score, that you are anywhere near 400dmg as an average. Not even close because it is actually impossible.

What is shows is you, more often than not, do not do above 250dmg. Which reflects exactly to what I see you do in game - Sub 250 dmg games constantly. I don't know why you keep claming otherwise? It's just not possible.

Yet you claim the issue is the mechs, balance and any other factor bar one - yourself. Ultimately you are the only one that controls how much damage you do.

Again it is totally OK to be a low skill user. Just don't blame your low skill on anything but yourself.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 01 May 2019 - 06:09 PM.

[panzer1b]

The rifleman is not designed as a tanky mech, take advantage of its offensive capability instead and run mid-long range weapons that can hurt things before they are able to return the favor. The same exact rule comes with most 65t mechs as well, dont tank any fire, and focus on dealing damage. Ebon plays exactly this way, its beyond squish to anyone who decided to make it their primary target, but it evicerates anyone foolish enough to ignore it and let it hit them hard.

If you want to take fire i suggest IS 70-75t mechs that are both decently quirked for it (regular marauder comes to mind as one of the tankier choices), and have the armor required to take a few hits and keep going. Clam is a no-no if you want to tank damage with a few exceptions as all of their heavys are mostly support/damage platforms which will desintegrate when focused on especially at shorter ranges where their lack of agility makes it hard to spread damage around well.

That said, i do agree the 60t bracket is filled with mostly mediocre mechs, clam has the maddog which is really not great (and all but the hero model are limited to missiles which are imo the worst weapon system in game), rifleman is beyond squish and it doesnt compensate for its issues with crazy weapon quirks or anything. The quickdraw is one of the few exceptions (fast/tanky/agile) but all the others are really not very competitive at higher levels of play. Get a quickdraw and run a MRM-60 on it for a taste of the only good 60t mech in game based on my experience.

[FLG 01]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

I just play, average 200-400. Do my best, help the team. I am unable to use Mech piloting skills.

Look, I have seen you doing ok. I have seen you doing bad. That's alright. In fact, you did better than I would have expected.

But why do you say those things? You must know everybody can and will call you out. You cannot really expect people to just blindly believe your statements. Of course they will look up your stats, because this is exactly the kind of statement one can confirm by looking at the Jarlslist.

You just do not achieve an average of 300 damage per match and you are certainly far away from a 300 average match score. That is ok. So your are no Proton, big deal. Just try to be the kind of player you want to have in your team. That's what I do, especially when I realize how bad I am at using assaults.

Think about the dreadful alternative: you believe the hard numbers are meaningless, your 'guesses' and feelings are more important, and that you truly are a good player regardless. How do you want to improve yourself, help your team, and have fun with this kind of attitude?

[HenryFA]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well I never look at match score. Yes, I can average 150 (I guess) there. Furthermore, I never use LRMs...
I do not know how I could be dead weight, when I am with my team mates (balling up). Like I wrote earlier, I am aggressive, or I could be twiddling my thumbs waiting which I prefer not to do. Just finishing a round, Damage of 250. 2nd to go down. Team was waiting to move up ramp, so i moved up alone. Enemy was lots, and I was outnumbered (of course). Then team followed.

use this match result and look at the "matchscore : DMG" ratio, which I know is not 100% accurate.

If you average DMG about 300, then your match score should be around the 250 mark.

However, since your AVG matchscore is under the 200 mark... Your average dmg should be around 250.
Which means you screwed up a lot. Like, A LOT.

Not to mention that the example I am using is not perfect:
There are 8 assaults on each team = a lot of bullet sponge = inflated matchscore.

Edited by HenryFA, 01 May 2019 - 06:27 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Ok so given people seem to have NFI how to build mechs or what is good. I made some stuff that is STRONG.

Long as you PLAY them properly - you will do well and all builds are easily capable of doing 600dmg+ in a 5-6min QP match. And by play well I mean:

• Have some basic map awareness.
  
• Don't play @ 200m for 500m range builds.
  
• Use your range early, shoot before the enemies close in, reposition if they do.
  
• Do not peak a corner into 4 enemies (related to Point #1).
  
• Torso twist/spread damage when applicable.
  
• Be patient - In brawler builds, do NOT take early damage, just do NOT do it despite any argument you may put up - DON'T. Too many play brawlers wrong and don't know when to present a target so better off just staying hidden till you can shoot.

RFL-5D
QDK-4H
CHP-1NB
DRG-5N
HLF-A
MDD


There are PLENTY more variants I could whip up solid builds for no drama at all. Those are just some of the strongest and ones that are non-hero/MC purchases. All builds are fast and friendly for low-skill users. Only one that might not is the CHP with IS XL, but as long as you stay @ 600m you won't have an issue.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 01 May 2019 - 06:45 PM.

[GuardDogg]

justcallme A S H, on 01 May 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

Why roll eyes? Because it shows what you are claiming to be utterly untrue?

There is no concieveable way with, 174 average match score, that you are anywhere near 400dmg as an average. Not even close because it is actually impossible.

What is shows is you, more often than not, do not do above 250dmg. Which reflects exactly to what I see you do in game - Sub 250 dmg games constantly. I don't know why you keep claming otherwise? It's just not possible.

Yet you claim the issue is the mechs, balance and any other factor bar one - yourself. Ultimately you are the only one that controls how much damage you do.

Again it is totally OK to be a low skill user. Just don't blame your low skill on anything but yourself.

Young man. You can reply all you need to (to me). Not taking it. Wasted information. Just put out information about me. I will be on a response.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 May 2019 - 06:47 PM.

[Ruar]

I used to get a lot of mileage from the QKD-4G. MPLs and some SRMs or MRMs depending on what fit my mood better. It's a short range mech, but it's mobile and you can do a lot of damage quickly once you do get in range. Just takes some patience to stay out of the line of fire until the teams close on each other.

[HenryFA]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well I never look at match score. Yes, I can average 150 (I guess) there. Furthermore, I never use LRMs...
I do not know how I could be dead weight, when I am with my team mates (balling up). Like I wrote earlier, I am aggressive, or I could be twiddling my thumbs waiting which I prefer not to do. Just finishing a round, Damage of 250. 2nd to go down. Team was waiting to move up ramp, so i moved up alone. Enemy was lots, and I was outnumbered (of course). Then team followed.

Previous. I see on mini map no enemy in front. I move up, next thing is 10 enemy mechs firing on me. I back up, and I only now see 2 on mini map. What does that say. Lack of information. I circled around and winged with a maruader 2 (100 ton), and worked along side with it helping it. My damage score 156. What does that say? I am dead weight pilot I guess.

You don't need a map 24/7 to know where the enemy is, it is all about game knowledge and common sense.
For example: HPG/ Mining Collective, 100% everyone is at the otherside of the platform. You either push it with your team or do the potato rotato.
If you still insist to push the platform all by yourself, you mech will turn into swiss cheese within 10 secs if OpFor is not day dreaming.

And playing aggressive doesn't equal to dying super quick.
Everytime I do less than 300 dmg, I know that's all my fault.
"Uhhh, let's not do that reckless rush again" is always what I tell myself if I died within the first 3 minutes.

My playstyle is super aggressive too, most of the builds on my fav mechs are builds focus around:MGs/SRM/MRM/AC-10+20/Heavy Gauss.
It is all about torso twisting to spread incoming damage, using terrain as cover, pressing R to find weak spot + decent aiming to kill your opponent ASAP, and knowing which target should be killed first (The Dakka MadCat MKII that is shooting at your team? Or that LRM80 NooberNova trying to run away?).

Edited by HenryFA, 01 May 2019 - 07:05 PM.