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[ShiverMeRivets]

What?!
60 ton Dragon Flame is great and so are the Champions.

[P o l a r i s]

Not to disrespect the Mad Dog but Champion is the best overall 60 ton chassis. A build example would be, on the CHP-1-2N you can run Heavy gauss 5 meds for 50 pinpoint damage, if properly skilled you can get that gauss rifle down to 3.65 second cooldown. They are mobile, surprisingly agile, fairly tanky, have an above average mix of hardpoints (most of which are around cockpit height), and most variants don't have arm mounted weapons so you can strip them of armor for more weapon/heatsink tonnage. I would highly recommend giving them a try since they have been cbill purchasable for some time now.

Edited by P o l a r i s, 01 May 2019 - 06:43 AM.

[Eatit]

justcallme A S H, on 01 May 2019 - 12:15 AM, said:

How about ... I dunno... You're wrong? You said a LBK was 60T and then formed and argument around it.

You know you're wrong and you can't even admit it. Just pathetic dude.

What he said was "The whole reason the 60-65 tonners like the Linebacker"

That sentence says the Linebacker is 65 tons. He didn't call it 60 ton. You made that mistake and misquoted him. Then you made an argument around your mistake. Doing exactly what you accused him of.

You now know that you were wrong and it would be pathetic if you didn't admit it Dude. You should also apologize to him for your insulting tone.

[JediPanther]

I have no trouble with my 65 ton mechs. Catapults remain my most used heavy mechs and they are hard point and alpha starved compared to prety much every other 65 ton mech. They are able to do just fine against most mechs except for trying to tank assault brawlers. Invest in full mobility,use the armor nodes and mount lbx if lights are such a threat and always sweep the leg. Any light who fails to retreat from a mech aiming only for its legs dies very rapidly.

[ObeyTheLion]

Eatit, on 01 May 2019 - 07:49 AM, said:

What he said was "The whole reason the 60-65 tonners like the Linebacker"

That sentence says the Linebacker is 65 tons. He didn't call it 60 ton. You made that mistake and misquoted him. Then you made an argument around your mistake. Doing exactly what you accused him of.

You now know that you were wrong and it would be pathetic if you didn't admit it Dude. You should also apologize to him for your insulting tone.

He DId Call it a 60 tonner. Look at A S H's other quote

[justcallme A S H]

Eatit, on 01 May 2019 - 07:49 AM, said:

What he said was "The whole reason the 60-65 tonners like the Linebacker"

That sentence says the Linebacker is 65 tons. He didn't call it 60 ton. You made that mistake and misquoted him. Then you made an argument around your mistake. Doing exactly what you accused him of.

You now know that you were wrong and it would be pathetic if you didn't admit it Dude. You should also apologize to him for your insulting tone.

Not true. You're now wrongly trying to defend the guy in the wrong.

The quote I used was the post that was made.

Khobai went back some 4hrs later and edited his post because he once again looks like a fool. Go look for yourself before trying to make an counter point where none exists.

Guess we'll see a retraction post?

Edited by justcallme A S H, 01 May 2019 - 08:36 AM.

[HammerMaster]

Edited by HammerMaster, 01 May 2019 - 08:48 AM.

[Eatit]

justcallme A S H, on 01 May 2019 - 08:34 AM, said:

Not true. You're now wrongly trying to defend the guy in the wrong.

The quote I used was the post that was made.

Khobai went back some 4hrs later and edited his post because he once again looks like a fool. Go look for yourself before trying to make an counter point where none exists.

Guess we'll see a retraction post?

You sir have my apologies! I was wrong.

[GuardDogg]

justcallme A S H, on 30 April 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

I think I average 3-4 solid correction posts a week. That is correcting:

• Misinformation: Incorrect mech values, stats, numbers/calcuation - constantly
  
• Addressing how in-game mechanics, in-game trends are actually occurring.
  
• Claimed "eduational" videos which are usually usually the opposite.
  
• Untrue statements - Like like mate last week claiming Assaults are weakest. And yet all this week I've seen him in heavy mechs and still utterly out of position every match and doing sub 200dmg (one game was 20dmg)... The problems are still the mechs though remember

One game, and you think a player does the same thing over and over. One game a mouse dies during a play your able to see it differently (happen to be in same round I was in), and your making huge consumption that I do this all the time. Also you never catch the rounds where I do 400+. Only taking it from a stat chart and assume we (Or GuardDogg) is all that. With your attitude on internet, you have a lot of growing up to do. And I mean a lot. You need to be have respect how people play. We are not you.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 May 2019 - 09:02 AM.

[McGoat]

GuardDogg, on 01 May 2019 - 08:59 AM, said:

You need to be have respect how people play. We are not you.

Yeaaaahhhh. About that.
Definitely not going to be "respecting how you play" for a while I think

As far as certain people doing the same thing over and over, the leaderboards are available to see the consistency of their... Abilities.

[HammerMaster]

McGoat, on 01 May 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

Yeaaaahhhh. About that.
Definitely not going to be "respecting how you play" for a while I think

As far as certain people doing the same thing over and over, the leaderboards are available to see the consistency of their... Abilities.

Something is fishy here...
https://leaderboard....D%0AJedipanther
So who's numbers mean anything? Since you're stat shaming. The guy with the most matches? The guy with the most improvement? How bout let's not be peacocking numbers when you can point to any numbers you want. As long as he's not actively sabotaging the match.

Eatit, on 01 May 2019 - 08:54 AM, said:

You sir have my apologies! I was wrong.

While I laud this and your class in apologies, I disagree in the way it was brought about. But take your victories where you can ya?

Edited by HammerMaster, 01 May 2019 - 10:50 AM.

[Mystere]

McGoat, on 01 May 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

Yeaaaahhhh. About that.
Definitely not going to be "respecting how you play" for a while I think

As far as certain people doing the same thing over and over, the leaderboards are available to see the consistency of their... Abilities.

How can you tell from the leaderboard whether or not someone was horsing around 50/60/70% of the time and being serious 50/40/30% of the time?

If the leaderboard was cataloguing seasons of professional or even amateur sports, I might agree with you. However ...

Edited by Mystere, 01 May 2019 - 10:38 AM.

[McGoat]

Take it with a grain of salt, but i've been around a while and am pretty sure I can tell when someone is "horsing around", skilling mechs, trying new things etc.

I've done the same, so have many others that can smell the BS from a mile away.

It wasn't too long ago many were playing with stock mechs in yoloQ

If anything he's consistent

The problem is people expecting a certain level of... "respect" in game and on these forums, for no reason other than they feel their ideas have merit. Feel how you feel, but that is not a basis for making proclamations about the state of the game; you have to understand the game at least at the average level to be able to appreciably hold any weight in an argument.

*edited because i'm mean*

I am wasting my breath here though as there's nothing to gain and no minds will be changed.

Edited by McGoat, 01 May 2019 - 10:47 AM.

[Verilligo]

Mystere, on 01 May 2019 - 10:35 AM, said:

How can you tell from the leaderboard whether or not someone was horsing around 50/60/70% of the time and being serious 50/40/30% of the time?

If the leaderboard was cataloguing seasons of professional or even amateur sports, I might agree with you. However ...

This would be an excellent argument except for the fact that ordinary mortals (https://leaderboard....rch?u=verilligo) can still pull good stats even when they play bad builds for the entertainment of others (https://leaderboard....earch?u=Baradul) or just have fun with memes (https://leaderboard....REAL+BIG+SALAMI). See, the trouble is that people are considered to play well because they play well on average, not just sporadically. It's not a matter of only being serious 30% of the time, it's a matter of only being competent 30% of the time. That's not an insult, that's just the facts and sometimes you're limited by reasons beyond your control.

The actual insult is when you tell yourself you can't learn from your own mistakes and then proceed to repeat them until you can't tell that they're mistakes anymore.

Edited by Verilligo, 01 May 2019 - 11:02 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

McGoat, on 01 May 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

The problem is people expecting a certain level of... "respect" in game and on these forums, for no reason other than they feel their ideas have merit. Feel how you feel, but that is not a basis for making proclamations about the state of the game; you have to understand the game at least at the average level to be able to appreciably hold any weight in an argument.

Bad logic man. I get it but it's bad. That's like saying only politicians should be able to vote.

That aside, his match score places him safely within the standard deviation of an average player. If anything you're the outlier and less representative of the "average level" than him.

Edited by VonBruinwald, 01 May 2019 - 11:03 AM.

[Alienized]

teammates running into arty strikes and dying to them dont help either with the matchscore

[GottFaust]

VonBruinwald, on 01 May 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

Bad logic man. I get it but it's bad. That's like saying only politicians should be able to vote.

That aside, his match score places him safely within the standard deviation of an average player. If anything you're the outlier and less representative of the "average level" than him.

In his defense: the old average no longer really applies.
Example: me.
I just recently picked this game back up after a bit over a year due to the free stuff in the MW5 pre-order. Prior to that I played for a few games back in January of 2018, and quite a bit before seasons were a thing. That said, I didn't magically become a vastly superior player to what I was back in 2018. My Skill level is roughly the same, and I'm playing the same kinds of mechs. Prior I was rated in the 68th percentile, but I'm now rated in the 93rd.

I postulate to you this: the average skill level has dropped since launch, but he's still trying to apply the old average.

Edited by GottFaust, 01 May 2019 - 11:26 AM.

[Alienized]

thats because alot of good players left as PSR made them play with people that make this game less enjoyable for the better players.

there was a time i barely felt T2 viable with all the top players around me.
now... dont wanna talk about it.

its too frustrating.

[Eatit]

OP,

Why do you feel the need to run a 60 ton mech? If it's for a FW deck then I get it. If you are playing in QP there is no weight restriction. There is only weight class restriction and that seems to be less important to the MM lately. Take out a 75 ton heavy and see how you do.

I feel the same as you though the Rifleman is a bit of a glass cannon (cannon seems to good, maybe glass rifle) and you need to play it as such. Hill humping, get cover behind low buildings, don't get in the middle of the murder ball or lead the push. Use it for it's strengths (shoot over stuff or at long range) if you have to use it.

Good luck to you in any case. I'm going to go try out my rifleman now. Thanks for presenting the challenge.

[HammerMaster]

Eatit, on 01 May 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

OP,

Why do you feel the need to run a 60 ton mech? If it's for a FW deck then I get it. If you are playing in QP there is no weight restriction. There is only weight class restriction and that seems to be less important to the MM lately. Take out a 75 ton heavy and see how you do.

I feel the same as you though the Rifleman is a bit of a glass cannon (cannon seems to good, maybe glass rifle) and you need to play it as such. Hill humping, get cover behind low buildings, don't get in the middle of the murder ball or lead the push. Use it for it's strengths (shoot over stuff or at long range) if you have to use it.

Good luck to you in any case. I'm going to go try out my rifleman now. Thanks for presenting the challenge.

Of the 3 Rifleman I use, the Legendkiller is the best. IF you don't present first. You get seen And EVERYONE knows those STs gotta go. 4-800 dmg games easily.
Now the Solaris one. 3 ac 5. You don't feel like it's doing well but it can rack up good numbers.
The loyalty one. 2 RAC 5. Another case of using stare down weapons in a mech that can't face tank. Present after. Pour fire into enemies already engaged. The jump jets is a gimmick on a mech already tonnage starved.
Judicious use of survival tree on all.

Edited by HammerMaster, 01 May 2019 - 11:49 AM.