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justcallme A S H, on 01 March 2020 - 04:19 AM, said:

Ah... One of the Hodors that clings to the "need" for a publicly stated anti-cheat.

Because of all the "cheaters" that play this game need to be caught...

Nice try buddy, I never once complained about anyone cheating ever and I've been accused of hacking in this game multiple times. If you actually read my reply I literally said that a publicly visible anti-cheat would stop hackusation threads like that one from happening and make the game more legit with a feature that 100% of all successful modern arena shooters have .

But sure, go ahead and keep putting words in my mouth, you're really showing how untoxic and friendly this community is.

[K O Z A K]

So one hodor speaking does not represent all hodors, but apparently ash represents this entire community?

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Hazeclaw, on 01 March 2020 - 07:51 AM, said:

So one hodor speaking does not represent all hodors, but apparently ash represents this entire community?

Hodor logic man... Can't escape it, ever.

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ChenGGez, on 01 March 2020 - 07:33 AM, said:

a publicly visible anti-cheat would stop hackusation threads like that one from happening

Or you could just be a man, and tell your unit, to grow a pair and stop claiming that everyone else is hacking...

Because the fact is - NO ONE is hacking.

A "public anti-cheat" would not make one iota of difference. You would just find another excuse.

[-Winter]

FWIW you really should look at your play style. The few times Ive played FP with you, your "team" never broke 1k and you barely did and the first words out of your team were blaming the loss on the PUGS, of which all did more dmg then your team. When players with under 2 months in game time are doubling your average damage you should really see what you're doing wrong. Just saying since you have been playing MW longer than most of us have been alive and all.

2 types of players. 1). GL HF Bracket Builds 2). Tired of getting farmed, start using meta builds, start dropping in groups.

Edit* Good groups. You'll get farmed just as easy if you drop with hoder etc.

Edited by -Winter, 01 March 2020 - 08:44 AM.

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justcallme A S H, on 26 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

These reasons?

I actually agree about consumables. I only use UAV, and very rarely. No crap given if I score less damage (that gets spread anyway, just like lurms) or send off one less alpha without coolant. I would rather work on my mech and tactics and earn my stats the way I did in times when men were men and mechwarriors were warriors. Seyla!

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An in-game feature is not an exploit.

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Sniper09121986, on 01 March 2020 - 08:51 AM, said:

I actually agree about consumables. I only use UAV, and very rarely. No crap given if I score less damage (that gets spread anyway, just like lurms) or send off one less alpha without coolant. I would rather work on my mech and tactics and earn my stats the way I did in times when men were men and mechwarriors were warriors. Seyla!

That's fine, it just means you are decreasing your own potential performance.

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Sniper09121986, on 01 March 2020 - 08:51 AM, said:

I actually agree about consumables. I only use UAV, and very rarely. No crap given if I score less damage (that gets spread anyway, just like lurms) or send off one less alpha without coolant. I would rather work on my mech and tactics and earn my stats the way I did in times when men were men and mechwarriors were warriors. Seyla!

You should never skill out your mechs, because that's just an exploit that makes your mechs stronger and has nothing to do with your skill. You should also put more armor on the back because front loading armor is an obvious exploit and is not honorable. Don't even get me started on the weapon synergy, that's just flat out hacking, you should have multiple weapon types effective at different ranges, because that's how real men do it. Cause you know, grown men playing a video game and taking it so seriously is so manly, and all warrior like and sh*t.

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Appogee, on 15 June 2019 - 04:28 PM, said:

This thread was only ever going to end one way

My guess: the "problem" you are encountering is not cheating, it's stacking.

Because of the...

well said!

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Hazeclaw, on 01 March 2020 - 07:51 AM, said:

So one hodor speaking does not represent all hodors, but apparently ash represents this entire community?

justcallme A S H, on 01 March 2020 - 08:07 AM, said:

Hodor logic man... Can't escape it, ever.

You are part of the MWO community, I am part of the MWO community, we are the MWO community. How hard is that to understand? Do you think your behavior encourages people to want to stay and play the game? Toxic behavior reflects badly on all of us.

When people start resurrecting dead threads because they've ran out of new pariahs to crucify we have literally hit a new low.

PGI won't be the one to drive the final nail into the coffin, they're no longer actively developing this game, it will be us the community and this infighting that will lead to the true death of MWO.

Edited: removed reply not directed at me.

Edited by ChenGGez, 01 March 2020 - 12:53 PM.

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ChenGGez, on 01 March 2020 - 11:37 AM, said:

You are part of the MWO community, I am part of the MWO community, we are the MWO community. How hard is that to understand? Do you think your behavior encourages people to want to stay and play the game? Toxic behavior reflects badly on all of us.

When people start resurrecting dead threads because they've ran out of new pariahs to crucify we have literally hit a new low.

PGI won't be the one to drive the final nail into the coffin, they're no longer actively developing this game, it will be us the community and this infighting that will lead to the true death of MWO.



Who are you? I don't remember dropping with you, also the people I play with and my playstyle suits the time I have for MWO right now fine.

If you think I have issues with my personal playstyle I've been rank 1 on jarls list in the past while paying this game casually as that's all I have time for, and even now I'm still in the top 1% while playing MWO on a 15" laptop and intentionally limiting myself to Inner Sphere Mechs only. So until I have the time or the interest to take MWO more seriously, competitively, or have filled my IS mech roster I have no reason to change units or to change my playstyle.

The reply was to the OP... Idk why you feel the need to make everything about yourself bud lol

[Prototelis]

This game doesn't need a "public anti-cheat" system.

Maybe try not teaching the people in hoders that the they aren't getting beat by OP clams or chitters.

Teach them that XL corsairs are a terrible idea tho.

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-Winter, on 01 March 2020 - 11:53 AM, said:

The reply was to the OP... Idk why you feel the need to make everything about yourself bud lol

Hard to tell without quotes, my bad. Post edited.

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justcallme A S H, on 01 March 2020 - 08:10 AM, said:

Or you could just be a man, and tell your unit, to grow a pair and stop claiming that everyone else is hacking...

Because the fact is - NO ONE is hacking.

A "public anti-cheat" would not make one iota of difference. You would just find another excuse.

Prototelis, on 01 March 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

This game doesn't need a "public anti-cheat" system.

Maybe try not teaching the people in hoders that the they aren't getting beat by OP clams or chitters.

Teach them that XL corsairs are a terrible idea tho.

I don't teach anyone, I'm a corporal in the unit, literally the second lowest enlisted rank. I myself have been accused of cheating before by unit members and I have told members multiple times that I don't think there are as many hackers as they think there are; however I would not say that there are no hackers in this game period given that MWO doesn't have an anti cheat system as far as anyone is aware or can explain.

The XL corsair is my build that I was asked to share. If HHoD members want to run it they are welcome to. It works great for its intended purpose since LRMs can't target components anyways but I wouldn't recommend it for fighting anything else other than lurk boats.

Getting accused of cheating should be taken as a compliment, don't get so butthurt over it.

Edited by ChenGGez, 01 March 2020 - 12:51 PM.

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ChenGGez, on 01 March 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

I would not say that there are no hackers in this game period given that MWO doesn't have an anti cheat system as far as anyone is aware or can explain.

Do you know what the prominent "anti-cheat systems" actually do? Do you know they are easily defeated, resource intensive, and basically function like spyware?

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The XL corsair is my build that I was asked to share. If HHoD members want to run it they are welcome to.

i dOn't tEaCh pEoPlE, i jUsT GiVe tHeM BaD BuIlDs

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It works great for its intended purpose since LRMs can't target components anyways

They don't, but distribution isn't even and the right torso hit area has more surface area.

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Getting accused of cheating should be taken as a compliment, don't get so butthurt over it.

I have only been accused of cheating like twice, I don't care, it is funny.

The game doesn't need public facing anti-hax. It already does a lot to prevent cheating, and it is EZ for them to look back at what people have been doing in game with HSR. The game is server authoritative, so there is a big limit to what you can actually do if you want to cheat.

The only thing the game isn't doing is actively monitoring memory addresses and looking for certain files, which I'm okay with. Game is already CPU intensive.

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Add in they've stated in the past they've done fun stuff like draw mechs in one place, tell the engine the mech is elsewhere to see where a person aims as a means of positively confirming aim bots...

On the flip side, I miss when Paul would decide to 'cheat' and monkey with servers live... self healing mechs, no gravity, ac cannons firing like someone was hand tossing bowling balls... Come screw with us Paul, we miss you!

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Prototelis, on 01 March 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

Do you know what the prominent anti-cheat systems actually do? Do you know they are easily defeated, resource intensive, and basically function like spyware?

A small price to pay for improving the legitimacy of the game and having a feature that 100% of popular mainstream arena shooters have. Or do you have a reason to believe that PGI is an untrustworthy company?

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I'm not a greedy or misleading *******, if my guild mates want my builds I share it with them. It's up to them how and when they want to use or bring them.

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They don't, but distribution isn't even and the right torso hit area has more surface area.

Ever hear of torso twisting? You should try it.

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I have only been accused of cheating like twice, I don't care, it is funny.

It is, but it demonstrates that average players are concerned about hacking enough in this game that they question the validity of legitimate players.

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The game doesn't need public facing anti-hax. It already does a lot to prevent cheating, and it is EZ for them to look back at what people have been doing in game with HSR. The game is server authoritative, so there is a big limit to what you can actually do if you want to cheat.

The only thing the game isn't doing is actively monitoring memory addresses and looking for certain files, which I'm okay with. Game is already CPU intensive.

So just because the game is poorly optimized is a free excuse to not make it better? Either way a proactive anticheat system will always be better than a retroactive one. Not to mention you can combine both systems to make sure to catch any that get into the game? Its been statistically and historically proven time and time again that cheaters kill games.

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ChenGGez, on 01 March 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

A small price to pay for improving the legitimacy of the game and having a feature that 100% of popular mainstream arena shooters have. Or do you have a reason to believe that PGI is an untrustworthy company?



I'm not a greedy or misleading *******, if my guild mates want my builds I share it with them. It's up to them how and when they want to use or bring them.



Ever hear of torso twisting? You should try it.



It is, but it demonstrates that average players are concerned about hacking enough in this game that they question the validity of legitimate players.



So just because the game is poorly optimized is a free excuse to not make it better? Either way a proactive anticheat system will always be better than a retroactive one. Not to mention you can combine both systems to make sure to catch any that get into the game? Its been statistically and historically proven time and time again that cheaters kill games.

1. Why would people cheat in a niche dying game? Why do you want/expect PGI to devote resources to adding a public anti cheat system (that imo is unnecessary) when they already are neglecting the game? Wouldn't you want them to devote any meager resources tossed towards MWO to content instead as that's the only hope of the game seeing any resurgence?
2. Just because some players are bad enough that they think competent, or highly skilled, players are cheating, does not mean more resources need to be devoted to anti-cheat. If anything it's an indictment of the matchmaker which was always intended to lump everyone into tier 1 eventually.
3. People already moan about Solaris city, lrms, and plenty of other things killing their fps, why the heck should pgi cripple those further with this anti-cheat albatross?

Bottom line no anti cheat system (retroactive or proactive) is perfect, but we don't have a cheating problem in this game of any notable magnitude, so there's no need for a change. Instead maybe focus on teaching the mechanics of the game. Learning to at least better understand the game will ro more to keep a player from making hackusations than some janky anti-cheat program.

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ChenGGez, on 01 March 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ever hear of torso twisting? You should try it.

Ever hear of hit boxes? You should look them up.

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So just because the game is poorly optimized is a free excuse to not make it better?

Memory scanning is performance heavy, inefficient, an ineffective.

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Either way a proactive anticheat system will always be better than a retroactive one. Not to mention you can combine both systems to make sure to catch any that get into the game? Its been statistically and historically proven time and time again that cheaters kill games.

lol, more tin foil. This game is dying because it lacks new content.

Edited by Prototelis, 01 March 2020 - 02:54 PM.