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[Rhialto]

Dee Eight, on 07 August 2019 - 11:50 PM, said:

You must live in another country or you don't understand how businesses and banks work.

<-- I'm in Canada

Like I said my primary language is french and I don't know the specific terms in english to discuss on that subject. It's not like your personal bank account, more into diversification of investment portfolios and investments in shares. They prolly do work with expert accountants.

But whatever, I'm off as I have nothing to do with MW5. I will have a look in a year if it's playable in 3D as that's how I was enjoying MWO.

[Prototelis]

Akillius, on 07 August 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

virtually eliminating mods,

Battletech doesn't have "mod support" has plenty of mods.

[Cy Mitchell]

Prototelis, on 08 August 2019 - 06:17 AM, said:

Battletech doesn't have "mod support" has plenty of mods.

Plus until we are notified otherwise, MW5 will have mod support directly from PGI. The only thing they lose is Steam Workshop which is a means to distribute mods. Modders will just use the PGI supplied tools and post the mods on a site like Nexus until EGS has a mod distribution service in place. The change in distribution platforms will not slow down the modders.

[TVMA Doc]

Well, it pains me to do it, but I just sent in my request for a refund on my pre-order. I have seen far too many articles about Epic being Chinese spyware, messing with dlls on the user's system and logging all sorts of information that it has no business with.

Sorry, but this is a deal breaker. I refuse to even install Google Chrome and that software is far less intrusive.

BrotherEJ, on 08 August 2019 - 04:46 AM, said:

I think everyone who is, so upset about this, should just leave. Why scream at the wind, the deal is done. You are not the one making the games and having to find the money, to pay everyone. Go. Take your money elsewhere, and don't look back. To cry in the forums, thinking you will change anything is pretty silly. Why stress yourselves out over nothing. You MBA's really don't know **** about running a business. Read your comments on this thread, you all are just trolling, for the fun of it. What has anyone lost here?

OH what about my data going to China. Yet you all use Discord lol. See ya all in game

I don't use Discord, but seeing how most motherboards are made in China who knows how much of our data is being sent there anyway. Still, I won't knowingly install spyware on my system, so the Epic store is out.

The reason that people are here on the forums is that they would REALLY LOVE to see the game find success, but this decision is a short term win, long term near guarantee that it will die a horrible, lingering death.

[Akillius]

Stahlkoenig, on 08 August 2019 - 02:17 AM, said:

want an apology from PGI

I'll second Stahlkoenig's idea.
Everyone follow Stahlkoenig lead and lets all demand an apology from PGI.
Entirely inspired by Stahlkoenig lets all send in a letter to PGI, for example:
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Dear Russ (& PGI)

As per Stahlkoenig's boldly written concept on the MWO forums;

We the players & your customers hereby demand an apology for your disingenuous attitude and deception over hiding your massive changes to the MW5M preorder sales agreement for several months after the fact.

This deceitfulness has cause many long time customers and MechWarrior/BattleTech enthusiasts great distress and to become disenfranchised as they discern a disposition in Russ's character (and by association the behavior of all PGI employees) towards general dishonesty.

On these issues we stand united behind the distinguished Stahlkoenig who leads our demands for an apology from PGI.


Sincerely (sign name here)




xD

[Prototelis]

Cy Mitchell, on 08 August 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

Plus until we are notified otherwise, MW5 will have mod support directly from PGI.

Probably not.

There won't be a frontend for loading mods.

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The only thing they lose is Steam Workshop which is a means to distribute mods.

Also has all of the tools and maintains them for you.

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Modders will just use the PGI supplied tools and post the mods on a site like Nexus until EGS has a mod distribution service in place.

10/10 you're going to have to download UED yourself, review documentation yourself, and figure out what changes they've made from base UE4 yourself. This information will eventually be consolidated by the community.

Nexus is a shithole.

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The change in distribution platforms will not slow down the modders.

For the most part.

TVMA Doc, on 08 August 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

Still, I won't knowingly install spyware on my system, so the Epic store is out.

If EGS is spyware; so are Steam, Origin, and probably Galaxy.

The whole "EGS is spyware" scare stems from ONE reddit thread that went viral, by an amateur, that has been debunked.

[Orisos]

Stahlkoenig, on 08 August 2019 - 02:17 AM, said:

Just came back to see whos still crying about having to ditch STEAM! People love to ***** about everything. So glad I don't have to deal with the public anymore! If you don't like it get a refund END OF STORY!. Jesus what do you want an apology from PGI for wanting to make a little money off a title for a change.

No *******, we want what we paid for. For someone who hates the "public" so much you sure do love to come here and **** off at its expense.

BrotherEJ, on 08 August 2019 - 04:46 AM, said:

I think everyone who is, so upset about this, should just leave. Why scream at the wind, the deal is done. You are not the one making the games and having to find the money, to pay everyone. Go. Take your money elsewhere, and don't look back.

See that's where you're wrong there kiddo. The customer is the one that pays for the game. They are the ones that provide the money to make the game. When you lie to your customers, make deals behind closed doors, and then refuse to furnish what your customers paid for you have officially ****** up. So how about you go away?

If a game development studio lies to me and refuses to provide a service I paid for then you better believe I'm going to ***** often, loudly, and tell everyone I know about it. I'll take dozens of potential customers with me when I go, so PGI better figure out how to do business or they'll be dead in the water the moment EGS and Tencent's dirty money dries up. This is not how you do business. A car dealership can't sell you a Mazda and then give you a Ford after the fact saying "You got a Sedan so what do you care?" Why can companies like PGI bait and switch after they take our money? Why is that fine?

Edited by Orisos, 08 August 2019 - 05:22 PM.

[Big-G]

I understand everyone's peeved, but we have to face a fact here... the MechWarrior franchise hasn't been the best in terms of raking in the bucks since Microsoft's days... and I reckon a lot of scrambling will take place now and into the future to try and secure enough funds to build and support games like MWO and MW5 now and going forward.

We can all huff and puff as much as we like, but in the end we all love this forgotten franchise too much to give up on it.

I'm personally not phased with running multiple platforms, as I use GOG Galaxy 2.0 beta which puts all of them in one easy to manage location.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Orisos, on 08 August 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

No *******, we want what we paid for. For someone who hates the &quot;public&quot; so much you sure do love to come here and **** off at its expense.


See that's where you're wrong there kiddo. The customer is the one that pays for the game. They are the ones that provide the money to make the game. When you lie to your customers, make deals behind closed doors, and then refuse to furnish what your customers paid for you have officially ****** up. So how about you go away?

If a game development studio lies to me and refuses to provide a service I paid for then you better believe I'm going to ***** often, loudly, and tell everyone I know about it. I'll take dozens of potential customers with me when I go, so PGI better figure out how to do business or they'll be dead in the water the moment EGS and Tencent's dirty money dries up. This is not how you do business. A car dealership can't sell you a Mazda and then give you a Ford after the fact saying &quot;You got a Sedan so what do you care?&quot; Why can companies like PGI bait and switch after they take our money? Why is that fine?

Except The dealership sold you a Mazda ( the game) and still gave you a mazda(the game) but instead said you have to pick it up at a specific place even though they originally said you could pick it up at other places. But if you aren’t happy with that they will refund your money but you get to keep all the dealership bonuses.

[Dee Eight]

Red Potato Standing By, on 08 August 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

Except The dealership sold you a Mazda ( the game) and still gave you a mazda(the game) but instead said you have to pick it up at a specific place even though they originally said you could pick it up at other places. But if you aren’t happy with that they will refund your money but you get to keep all the dealership bonuses.

This has happened in the real world... When GM bought a significant share of Saab in the early 90s, they revoked the dealerships from independent canadian dealers and instead created their own network that fell under their corporate umbrella, along with Saturn and Isuzu. If you'd already put a deposit down on a new saab that the dealership didn't have, you either had to accept delivery from one of the new Saturn-Saab-Isuzu dealers, or you'd have to accept the return of your deposit.

[Eurystheus]

Rhialto, on 07 August 2019 - 05:09 PM, said:

Well, they collected a great amount of money for many months and in good hands, interests can bring a good amount. I'm not good enough in english to explain it correctly. Let's say 1 million in a year at 4% can bring an additional income. They won't give you any of that money back.

4%? If you know where we can get a 4% APY on a short term investment please let me know, because I'd like to get in on that!

[Eurystheus]

GidonsClaw007, on 08 August 2019 - 06:42 PM, said:

I understand everyone's peeved, but we have to face a fact here... the MechWarrior franchise hasn't been the best in terms of raking in the bucks since Microsoft's days... and I reckon a lot of scrambling will take place now and into the future to try and secure enough funds to build and support games like MWO and MW5 now and going forward.

We can all huff and puff as much as we like, but in the end we all love this forgotten franchise too much to give up on it.

I'm personally not phased with running multiple platforms, as I use GOG Galaxy 2.0 beta which puts all of them in one easy to manage location.

I'm not at all peeved. I paid for MW5 and assuming PGI delivers, that is what I am getting. Don't care about the launcher.

[Walle87]

While i think that the talk about "consumer protection" is ********, i concur that PGI ****** up big. Also got a refund fast and uncomplicated. At least they got that going, which speaks for them knowing how it would turn out.

As much as we want to rage and scream against it, a few posts stated it already: the deal is done.
Like me, everyone who does not want to use EGS has to wait 12 months or has to go to the high seas to live a pirates life.
If you stick to your principles, no going around that options.

The really sad thing is, that none of THEM deems it neccesary to answer here in the forum and show some ******* compassion. Russ Bullock defended the decision on Discord, and not even there he apologized for keeping the deal behind closed doors. THAT is the middle finger to the community, that they do not talk about it and at least say "the deal stands, but we see our misconduct". Seems that takes balls not yet there at PGI.
And sadly, in my opinion, the numbers they are hoping for wont come via EGS. The main audience on there wants Fotrnite and Co...Battletech does not fit in there exclusively i guess.

Meanwhile, keep the franchise alive! Support Paradox Interactive/ Harebrained Studios with Battletech!!!
Keep MWO alive, though it is a bittter pill to swallow!

[latinisator]

Walle87, on 08 August 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

The really sad thing is, that none of THEM deems it neccesary to answer here in the forum and show some ******* compassion. Russ Bullock defended the decision on Discord,

Good point and I fully understand and respect and share that opinion.

Walle87, on 08 August 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

*snip*for keeping the deal behind closed doors.

That might actually have been part of the contract.

Walle87, on 08 August 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

THAT is the middle finger to the community, that they do not talk about it and at least say "the deal stands, but we see our misconduct". Seems that takes balls not yet there at PGI.

Valid point as well. Perhaps the last bit is a tiny bit too harsh. Still, I am going to play MW5 when it releases and I am happy about it.

[Orisos]

GidonsClaw007, on 08 August 2019 - 06:42 PM, said:

We can all huff and puff as much as we like, but in the end we all love this forgotten franchise too much to give up on it.

Watch me. PGI's not getting pitybux for life just because they are holding this intellectual property hostage.

Red Potato Standing By, on 08 August 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

Except The dealership sold you a Mazda ( the game) and still gave you a mazda(the game) but instead said you have to pick it up at a specific place even though they originally said you could pick it up at other places. But if you aren’t happy with that they will refund your money but you get to keep all the dealership bonuses.

"We lied to you, screwed you over, and placed unreasonable requirements that violate our initial agreement in order to fulfill the transaction. But you can have your money back!" is not a defensible position. I was lied to. I was furnished with false information in order to bait me into buying a product. That product was altered and gated behind an exclusivity agreement they took for cash.

The game is not an object. It is not a tangible product. It is data created, copied, and transferred from one computer to another. The game is not purchased. The license key is purchased, the license key that was promised to me is now not going to be furnished. Instead I get a different key for a different platform because PGI decided it wanted more money and didn't give a damn about me or anyone like me at all.

I don't know why you don't get this: It's not the platform ******** itself that pisses me off. They could have signed the deal, passed out Steam keys to the people who paid for them in pre-orders, and kept the 1 year exclusivity in the same way that Metro Exodus did. But they didn't. I was flat out LIED TO FOR PROFIT. PGI profiteered off of lying to me as a customer. For every one person that comes here pissed off there's another that never saw the email and probably doesn't even know about this scummy backdoor deal. Just wait until all the people that pre-order stuff and forget about it finally notice, conveniently (for PGI) several months after they have the opportunity to get a refund.

Edited by Orisos, 09 August 2019 - 04:15 AM.

[Red Potato Standing By]

I get that you feel lied to, I just have a different opinion then you do. So that being said I will just agree to disagree cause we are just going in circles.

[BrotherEJ]

Orisos, on 08 August 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

No *******, we want what we paid for. For someone who hates the "public" so much you sure do love to come here and **** off at its expense.


See that's where you're wrong there kiddo. The customer is the one that pays for the game. They are the ones that provide the money to make the game. When you lie to your customers, make deals behind closed doors, and then refuse to furnish what your customers paid for you have officially ****** up. So how about you go away?

If a game development studio lies to me and refuses to provide a service I paid for then you better believe I'm going to ***** often, loudly, and tell everyone I know about it. I'll take dozens of potential customers with me when I go, so PGI better figure out how to do business or they'll be dead in the water the moment EGS and Tencent's dirty money dries up. This is not how you do business. A car dealership can't sell you a Mazda and then give you a Ford after the fact saying "You got a Sedan so what do you care?" Why can companies like PGI bait and switch after they take our money? Why is that fine?

Then get a refund. You can tell all of your friends, not to buy. Build up your stress and passive aggressiveness kiddo, till you need heart meds. Piss into the wind, till you drown, if you need to. It will change nothing about this deal.

PGI in my opinion, has made the best F2P game on the internet. They need to make money, with this next game. They have a responsibility not only to us, to make a great game, but to their employees and investors too. Russ made a good deal, now he has to make a great game. Only time will tell, if your dire predictions will come true. The thing is if they don't and the game does well and MWO does well, what then... what hill is there left to die on Cheers lighten up buddy!!!

[Horseman]

BrotherEJ, on 09 August 2019 - 05:15 AM, said:

PGI in my opinion, has made the best F2P game on the internet.

"Best" is a hyperbole, even if it was fairly good.
Unfortunately, PGI also ran it into the ground with poorly considered moves that drove away the playerbase.

It should be telling that despite their new association with EGS they haven't launched MWO on there...

[Ruccus]

Horseman, on 09 August 2019 - 05:59 AM, said:

It should be telling that despite their new association with EGS they haven't launched MWO on there...

Yesterday I went to check out the EGS to see the MW5 page and then wondered if PGI had launched MWO there too. As I do with GOG or Steam I click on the publisher's name in one of their game's pages to search for other games from that publisher.

I clicked on 'Piranha Games' in the EGS MW5 page but it doesn't have that functionality. You apparently can't search by publisher either; putting "Piranha Games", "CD PROJEKT RED", and "Epic Games" in the search each returned zero results.

Edited by Ruccus, 09 August 2019 - 06:38 AM.

[Horseman]

Ruccus, on 09 August 2019 - 06:37 AM, said:

I clicked on 'Piranha Games' in the EGS MW5 page but it doesn't have that functionality. You apparently can't search by publisher either; putting "Piranha Games", "CD PROJEKT RED", and "Epic Games" in the search each returned zero results.

It doesn't have the functionality to search from terms in store description either, apparently. The only things that do work are title search and apparently tag name search - as long as you're willing to type in the tag names manually, that is.

Edited by Horseman, 09 August 2019 - 07:05 AM.