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#1321 Red Potato Standing By

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 06:28 PM

Yes they could but what are the odds? Or could it just be hyperbole.

#1322 Horseman

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 11:04 PM

View PostRuccus, on 15 August 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

I don't do twitter or reddit, but since this whole thing was announced I've taken the opinion that since they've given me until September 1st to ask for a refund I'll give them until mid to late August to 'make things right' (I'm thinking an Epic key for December 2019 and a Steam key for December 2020 to get me the game at launch while giving me the promised Steam key a year down the road, though I'll listen to other options put forward) before asking for a refund.

So far I think I'll wait until August 22nd or 23rd before I make the request, though if it seems something is close to happening around then I may delay my refund request until the 26th or 27th.
I recommend giving them some hell about it through their support e-mails or social media before then.

#1323 Grand Paladin

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 11:46 PM

Do I understand correctly, that it MW5 is to be released in December (No problem for me) and that instead of on steam it will be on Epic?(Still no problem for me) Is that what the the whining is about? WHat is the big deal? someone please clerify for me. Thank you

#1324 Horseman

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 12:56 AM

And as for "why are you calling Epic's platform substandard and not worth supporting":
https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__6283910

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Unpopular as Origin and Uplay have been, Epic makes them look like paragons of competence and virtue in comparison.
  • 1. Epic launched their platform some two years before they were actually ready. Better part of a year after launch, it's still charitable to call it an open alpha, EXCEPT IT'S FULLY COMMERCIAL AND WANTS YOU TO GIVE IT YOUR MONEY.
  • 2. Epic failed at security. They launched without 2FA and didn't have e-mail verification until last week. Yes, that means you could lose all your purchases if you made a typo creating your account. And people did.
  • 3. They don't have a cart. And they started banning customers because the customers made several purchases one after another. During a sale.
  • 4. They have sent customers' personal information to other customers.
  • 5. Epic's client datamines your system. (see this)
  • 6. EGS features, library and user base are not competitive with Steam, so Epic's genius executives decided that since they're sitting on a giant mountain of Fortnite cash (plus the 1.25 billion USD investment they've received last October), they can fake competitiveness with platform exclusives and force customers to come to them by getting developers to jump platforms after they've already taken a shitload of preorders (or, in some cases, Kickstarter pledges).


    Most of the PC gaming crowd are not fans of hostageware, much less of bait-and-switch tactics. This bait and switch riles people up and as a result Epic's poorly designed shitshow of a platform is pretty much considered radioactive by the bulk of the PC gaming community.
And now you can add point 7...:
  • 7. Epic is already failing to uphold its' supposed "commitment" to deliver features to its' platform, having fallen way behind on their roadmap and only keep pushing things further and further back ( https://www.pcgamesn...s-store-updates ). It is clear that whatever they spent that sweet, sweet Fortnite cha-ching, making EGS a better platform was not on the list.

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Let it sink in for a moment and then ask yourself if any sane person right now would touch a platform with that history.



Yeah, yeah, "give them time"... Epic isn't travelling back in time to compete with Steam of 2003, they're here NOW to compete with Steam of 2019, after fifteen years of watching Steam take upon itself the live market testing to determine what does and what doesn't work in their hybrid digital distribution platform / social network. Epic is coming to this with a budget and market position much better than what Steam had in 2003 too.

And yet, EGS launched in a state that was about a year away from being a minimally viable beta and is already falling behind development schedule. There is no excuse for this.

Edited by Horseman, 16 August 2019 - 12:57 AM.


#1325 Far Reach

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 05:31 AM

If anyone was wondering why there's a TON of people in here defending the EPIC disaster?
It's shills. Many shills.
Epic money buys epic numbers of NPC's, who are snide and are here to slide.
That's why there's massive multi-paragraph write-ups here about how epic "isnt so bad" or the classic "s-s-s-steams doing it too~".
Along with excruciating replies, from the cucks. Ones with no backbone who must over-explain themselves at every turn.

You're trying to kill this forum along with MWO eh, Piranha? Remember - the brown sea was never really alive to begin with...

#1326 Horseman

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 07:17 AM

View PostFar Reach, on 16 August 2019 - 05:31 AM, said:

over-explain themselves at every turn.

Hardly.
As much as believing that all the Epic supporters are shills sounds nice, I expect plenty of them are simply too out of the loop to have half a damn clue about what they're supporting . It's been much the same with G2A a few years back.
The explanations are for those people's benefit and that alone (and yes, some will forever defend their mistakes - those are beyond help).

Edited by Horseman, 16 August 2019 - 07:19 AM.


#1327 Electroflameageddon

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 08:56 AM

Refund requested.

I weighed the pros and cons and basically it comes down to: I bought a Steam Key. They promised a Steam Key. They reneged on their promise. They knowingly lied to their customers as they were making an Epic exclusive deal while promising Steam keys.

It has nothing to do with Epic vs. Steam. Don't really care.

It also has to do with respect. If I lie to my customers and misrepresent my product, I lose customers. I should lose customers. Bad behavior should not be rewarded.

Happy that PGI gave us the option for refund. Best business decision they have made.

Haven't been on MWO since the announcement. My heart isn't in it....

#1328 Grayson Sortek

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 09:20 AM

View PostElectroflameageddon, on 16 August 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:

Haven't been on MWO since the announcement. My heart isn't in it....


I know how you feel. That's why I've been playing Battletech instead. And I'm a damn whale for MWO, well... no longer.

#1329 GaelicWolf

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 12:24 PM

You know, I wonder where all the New Advertising for MW5 is. Since their deal they have to have SOME cash lying around. But I have seen no new Marketing for MW5.
No New Ads
No Clips of combat
No updates
a paltry few screen shots that tell us bumpkis, but look pretty.....

#1330 Sevronis

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 01:10 AM

I've always tried to be very positive about PGI and MWO, despite all others griping about this or that. Had so much hype when MW5 was announced. I honestly don't know what I want to do. I paid for a STEAM release, and that's what I want. On the other hand, I also don't want to lose out on the pre-order stuff for MW5.... that may or may not eventually show up as an optional thing to purchase later on anyway, as I've seen other games do before. But, I also can't be sure of any of that will happen. If all you needed to do was push back the release date, I'm fine with that. I'm very patient. But I really do not want to deal with Epic. Keep in mind, that perhaps someone out there, may present a receipt, or something with a mentioning of the Steam and if on a receipt, that's pretty legally binding. Though, probably banking on no one wanting to waste money and time on a lawyer for a damn Steam key lawsuit. Never know, SOMEONE may try.

There are 67 pages of backlash in this thread (EDIT: with mine starting the 68th). All I gotta say is, PROVIDE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROMISED, EVEN IF IT CAN'T BE REDEEMED FOR A WHOLE YEAR OR WON'T BE GIVEN UNTIL THE YEAR HAS GONE BY. I could deal with Epic for a year if I knew I was still getting my Steam key, but I do not want to have to pay twice just to play this on Steam after a year.

PGI, you better put any profits you do manage to make from the Epic deal to good use to also breathe life back into MWO, starting with converting the engine over to Unreal. I don't want MWO to die either, but these decisions may be too difficult for you to rebound with either game if things definitely go south for you from this.

Edited by Sevronis, 17 August 2019 - 01:11 AM.


#1331 Wishmast3r

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 11:56 PM

View PostHorseman, on 16 August 2019 - 07:17 AM, said:

Hardly.
As much as believing that all the Epic supporters are shills sounds nice, I expect plenty of them are simply too out of the loop to have half a damn clue about what they're supporting . It's been much the same with G2A a few years back.
The explanations are for those people's benefit and that alone (and yes, some will forever defend their mistakes - those are beyond help).


The facts are real. Wether or not you choose to accept them is up to you.

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#1332 Zaptiah

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 03:43 AM

Refund demanded. I gave PGI time to announce that they would provide the Steam key to those of us that purchased that. It is clear they have no intention of honoring the sales obligation they made. I accept that this type of unethical and unlawful behavior happens but my money will not support this company any longer. For me personally it is the dishonesty, this blatant and unlawful Bait and Switch sales practice. I'm guessing that the Epic money has made it worth it for PGI to burn what good will the community had left. So congratulations PGI you made a quick buck ... you just lost your core community to do it but hey - who cares about thousands of middle age gamers with disposable income like me ...

#1333 Y E O N N E

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 02:00 PM

Epic's modus operandi is to trawl peoples' Steam wishlists using their launcher's software to see which games are going to be popular on Steam, then approach the studios responsible for those titles and make an exclusivity offer. If the party refuses exclusivity, they will typically refuse to carry them on the Epic store at all because Epic cannot sustain 12% for titles that may not be extraordinarily popular where they cannot also get all of the sales traffic. That's why all of these announcements are last-minute: it's by design so they can get metrics first. It's also why Steam no longer allows games to sell pre-orders on its store without guaranteeing final delivery through the store.

Basically, Epic is not actually interested in offering a better deal to game developers, long-term; this is about muscling into the digital distribution industry using developers as pawns and banking on the fact that gamers are more interested in getting their fix than in not dealing with what is an objectively inferior platform through which to obtain said fix. Granted, MW5 was not actually on Steam yet and Epic likely got the interest-measuring metrics some other way, but the concept is still the same: PGI had some a measure of interest that they could pitch to Epic to get a deal and they got it based on the premise of Steam delivery.

TL;DR: most gamers are morons with no standards and Epic know it.

#1334 Rhialto

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 12:59 AM

EGS can't mesmerize everyone to do the switch to their platform. When I saw that story posted yesterday I was immediately thinking about this topic/thread so I come to read on a new wave of posts about this story. Can't believe I'm the first to post about the new hero, Unfold Games.

Props to this developper for standing still and turning down EPIC exclusivity deal.

#1335 Electroflameageddon

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 05:25 AM

Pretty interesting article.

I suddenly have 50 bucks to spend on another game, so I'm going to have a look at Darq.

May as well support someone with ethics....

#1336 Grayson Sortek

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 05:47 AM

View PostRhialto, on 19 August 2019 - 12:59 AM, said:

EGS can't mesmerize everyone to do the switch to their platform. When I saw that story posted yesterday I was immediately thinking about this topic/thread so I come to read on a new wave of posts about this story. Can't believe I'm the first to post about the new hero, Unfold Games.

Props to this developper for standing still and turning down EPIC exclusivity deal.


Well, I'll be sharing this with as many people as I possibly can. Thank you for sharing this!
See PGI, you basically lost all credibility with your community and you've turned a lot of us into negative promoters.

#1337 JUGMAN

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 10:13 AM

You have lost another middle aged gamer that puts hundreds of dollars in mech packs and MC a year. I will Play MWO because of my past purchases but there will not be another dime put into PGI pockets. Let that sink in MIDDLE AGED GAMER WITH DISPOSABLE INCOME not putting more money into PGI. Multiply that by a couple hundred or so and you are talking about a developers salary poof gone.

Russ we all know you are not stupid. Do the smart thing and give what was originally sold to the preorders.

#1338 JUGMAN

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 10:25 AM

View PostDee Eight, on 13 August 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

I don't care that it went epic... I have ONE game on steam and one on discord. I'll have one on GoG and one on epic... big deal.



And this is why our society is more about the instant gratification and not about what is right.

The wrong.....Epic getting the rights for MW5 when the customers were told and preorders STEAM. IT is about truth and ethics nothing more. I dont care that EPIC was given the exclusivity. IT IS ABOUT BEING LIED TO!!!!

The right.....speaking and protesting with my pocket book and my keyboard. Only way to get to a company is screw with the profits.

#1339 Horseman

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 01:09 PM

View PostDee Eight, on 13 August 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

I don't care that it went epic... I have ONE game on steam and one on discord. I'll have one on GoG and one on epic... big deal.
Sounds like you've never bought a Humble Bundle.

#1340 Mycroft000

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 05:24 AM

Now this is funny:

https://www.gamerevo...-fortnite-brute

"#removethemech"

Edited by Mycroft000, 21 August 2019 - 05:24 AM.






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