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[Thariel]

Give us a working matchmaker please. One that let's you drop with your frineds in a 2-6 man group easily by just filling up the missing slots with solos.

Or adding a 3man to a group already filled with 4 solos etc.

You fear people will leave the game fighting in a 12 man against one 2man group ?????
you will lose lots of players with that matchmaker, cause you cannot play with your friends this way...

[Tarl Cabot]

Lots of threads.. but I will paste my response from one..

Tarl Cabot, on 04 August 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

Nope, nope, nope on the 4-man groups. There would be too much trauma, even in a 12vs12 environment. NOR would PGI set it up to allow only ONE group per team.... And that is the real sticker.

Just for reference, when there was a mixed queue we only had IS mechs, NO IN-GAME VOIP, no command wheel and no real change with the crappy chat window. Most groups utilized 3rd party VOIP, primarily Teamspeak, a side could have more than 1 group, nor could anyone tell who was in an actual group.

My option to adding duo to drop into the Solo queue

1. Max 2-man group
2. Uses highest Tier (Tier 1 + Tier 4 drops as Tier 1, no average)
3. Different weight classes only... potentially 1 weight difference (assault/heavy, med/light)
4. Other team's group would need to match the weight class (debatable but see above to assist search engine)
5. 2-man can opt into the SQ but CANNOT opt out GQ.....
6. 2-man pilots are completely locked out of other games until current match, be it SQ or GQ, has ended.
7. As long as PGI allows only 1 duo and both sides has a 2-man for that match, the match should be noted but I do not believe it should not the actual 2-man group itself.

Now, for the Group Queue.

1. Max 8-man teams only (or 9-man teams)
2. Current or modified max tonnage/team
3. Allow Solo to opt into GQ but cannot opt out of SQ
4. Max 3 solo/side.
example 1x8-man, 1x2-man, 1 solo

Make selected options always visible, no drop down windows.

1. At the same time update the PSR, increasing the thresholds on break even and movement.
2. Would also prefer actual Matchscore (MS) be utilized across 2 tiers initially before opening up to a 3rd tier.
3. Of the above, #1 should be done.

Depending on how long PGI intends to keep MWO going after MW5 goes lives will be dependent on player retention, both current and new players, as well as any changes they make to capitalize with the new players.

Edit... Just to add.. isXL automatic death on 1st ST destruction needs to go. I liked parts of Protelis quote here...

[Nightbird]

no

[Tarl Cabot]

https://mwomercs.com...p-queue-viable/

https://mwomercs.com...lling-the-game/

https://mwomercs.com...game-searching/

https://mwomercs.com...66-matchmaking/ ---- Hey, a thread you started 7-10-19...

https://mwomercs.com...u-do-to-the-mm/

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

we can't have nice things.

wanna buy another mechpack? maybe the next few dozens of nascar-laps are more fun in a different mech..

[Nightbird]

this request is not a nice thing, it's a disaster

[Bud Crue]

Thariel, on 05 August 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Give us a working matchmaker please. One that let's you drop with your frineds in a 2-6 man group easily by just filling up the missing slots with solos.

How about instead...all of you asking for groups to be allowed into solo queue, just use the group queue like the rest of us? If all the folks of late that have been begging for a means to allow groups into solo queue, would just use the damn GQ then GQ would actually have no problems and low wait times. This isn't hard. Lets everyone who wants to play in a group use the group queue, huh? How about it?

[Tarl Cabot]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 05 August 2019 - 02:16 PM, said:

we can't have nice things.

wanna buy another mechpack? maybe the next few dozens of nascar-laps are more fun in a different mech..

Nightbird, on 05 August 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

no

See above quotes and the other posts. Sorry OP, but PGI would likely frak it up as they prefer to use the KISS principle while dropping the SS Nor have they shown the ability to code it so that updates can be done on the fly, but requires a major patching...

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 05 August 2019 - 02:20 PM.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Nightbird, on 05 August 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

this request is not a nice thing, it's a disaster

was speaking about a ~working~ matchmaker, only.

the rest.. meh

moot discussion, anyway.

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 05 August 2019 - 02:35 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 05 August 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

was speaking about a ~working~ matchmaker, only.

the rest.. meh

moot discussion, anyway.

The MM is working as coded, though not how many players would expect it to be coded though...... Tier then weight class. Now talk about how one actually moves up in Tiers via the PSR.. Tier 1/2 is simply a microcosm of the actual Tiers 1-5... ... now .. oh frak it .. that is a moot discussion too....

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 05 August 2019 - 07:04 PM.

[Feral Clown]

Nightbird, on 05 August 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

this request is not a nice thing, it's a disaster

No please let them push PGI to do this so I can have you carry me in yolo queue too.

[thievingmagpi]

my MM idea is if do sub 200 damage you get a 5 minute penalty.

[John Bronco]

We'd immediately be out of players for 12v12.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Tarl Cabot, on 05 August 2019 - 07:03 PM, said:

The MM is working as coded, though not how many players would expect it to be coded though...... Tier then weight class. Now talk about how one actually moves up in Tiers via the PSR.. Tier 1/2 is simply a microcosm of the actual Tiers 1-5... ... now .. oh frak it .. that is a moot discussion too....

it is - and it's coded in a BAD way.

-you do 2 (okay, 1-5) games to be t4
-you do some more to be t3
-you do some more to be t2
-you do some more to be t1

-everybody ends in t1 very quickly, and the MM just throws those t1 people, which all are equal to him, into the teams.
there is NO meaningful measure involved how good said pilot is, and hence it's no wonder games go the 12:1 direction all the time.

anyway, PGI have no intention to change this, so I'll withdraw myself from that discussion. hf mates

[Wil McCullough]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 06 August 2019 - 02:15 AM, said:

it is - and it's coded in a BAD way.

-you do 2 (okay, 1-5) games to be t4
-you do some more to be t3
-you do some more to be t2
-you do some more to be t1

-everybody ends in t1 very quickly, and the MM just throws those t1 people, which all are equal to him, into the teams.
there is NO meaningful measure involved how good said pilot is, and hence it's no wonder games go the 12:1 direction all the time.

anyway, PGI have no intention to change this, so I'll withdraw myself from that discussion. hf mates

Games go 12-1 in wc too. Players get horribly low scores as well. A certain executioner comes to mind.

Stomps happen because of the nature of the game which had each side consist of non-renewable assets. Snowball effect is a thing.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

What can be abused, will be abused. So I'm not in favor of dropping groups into a solo queue.

[Nightbird]

Tarl Cabot, on 05 August 2019 - 07:03 PM, said:

The MM is working as coded, though not how many players would expect it to be coded though...... Tier then weight class. Now talk about how one actually moves up in Tiers via the PSR.. Tier 1/2 is simply a microcosm of the actual Tiers 1-5... ... now .. oh frak it .. that is a moot discussion too....

Have you read this thread?
https://mwomercs.com...thread-we-need/

[R Valentine]

There isn't even enough active population to fill out a match making algorithm. Our problem stems from a continually dwindling player base more than it does an incompetent match making system. There are not enough players of equal skill level to make a match. So the terribads get mixed in with the elites and crushed and the side with less terribads wins 12-2 or 12-0. That's life in a dying game.

[Nightbird]

Kiran Yagami, on 06 August 2019 - 07:54 AM, said:

There isn't even enough active population to fill out a match making algorithm. Our problem stems from a continually dwindling player base more than it does an incompetent match making system. There are not enough players of equal skill level to make a match. So the terribads get mixed in with the elites and crushed and the side with less terribads wins 12-2 or 12-0. That's life in a dying game.

Have you read this thread?
https://mwomercs.com...thread-we-need/

It basically proves that we can do a MM, PGI doesn't want to though :shrug:

[MTier Slayed Up]

Can just sync drop. Make it a challenge if your friend is on the other team, mix it up.