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[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

LOL...WOW JUST WOW. Calling people liars for not agreeing with your false argument is name calling, how do you not get that? Calling people hypocrites because they don't agree with what you are saying is name calling, again how is this slipping past you?

And you can **** right off telling me anything or to move along.

Get it through your head that saying something you don't like or can't accept or understand is not toxic.

Feral Clown, on 15 August 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

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With broken tier system though, it really sucks that you somehow managed to get a tier one symbol under your name when you don't deserve it.

Hmmm, yeah. Not toxic.

Many have witnessed but didn't say anything but contribute to a problem of players. The top stat pilots brought up pilot stats, and laughed at the player stats. Do you watch Twitch? Even during rounds, a player would be called out, "You suck" using stats. And your self have witnessed this. Even in the forums here. If you do not find that toxic, then their is a problem. Stats are a problem, they are embarrassing, humiliating. Hey we can go in circles here to 1000+ pages. You in?

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 04:00 PM.

[Prototelis]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

they are embarrassing, humiliating

lol, only if you let them.

Your attitude towards improving and good advice from good players is even more embarrassing.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

Hmmm, yeah. Not toxic.

Many have witnessed but didn't say anything but contribute to a problem of players. The top stat pilots brought up pilot stats, and laughed at the player stats. Do you watch Twitch? Even during rounds, a player would be called out, "You suck" using stats. And your self have witnessed this. Even in the forums here. If you do not find that toxic, then their is a problem. Stats are a problem, they are embarrassing, humiliating. Hey we can go in circles here to 1000+ pages. You in?

We are in that you still can't grasp that toxic behaviour is toxic behaviour period.

We are still at the point where you don't understand that stats are a tool and not toxic themselves.

And I just showed where you name called and pointed it out clearly for you. Again you are the one being toxic.

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 04:05 PM, said:

We are in that you still can't grasp that toxic behaviour is toxic behaviour period.

We are still at the point where you don't understand that stats are a tool and not toxic themselves.

And I just showed where you name called and pointed it out clearly for you. Again you are the one being toxic.

We are going in circles now. Okay, lets go. You have made your point for others to see, and it is not getting anywhere with me. You are being very hypocritical on the problem with stat vs Tiers. How top Stat pilot abuse their places, in personalities. "You suck, you are at this % (when the pilot couldn't care), they are all stupid, etc." I have seen, witnessed this with players in MWO who bring up stats. I have seen these stat pilots play. They only think about points, numbers. They use it in forums, and in Twitch. Stats is unhealthy unless, people are able to help change it for the better, and not toxic. MWO is a salty environment, and I hear, see it a lot. I do see players who just play, and couldn't care about stats, and they are in T1. They are more friendlier than those who put more about stats. And I bet you looked up mine. Many do, to say you have no right to say anything.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 04:40 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Papaspud, on 18 August 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

MM is dead, you need to have more people to make it work- it can't find enough people to make a match much less matchmake...... the fact is the game is dying and the need to worry about it and be salty is over- nothing is going to change, enjoy the ride into the sunset.

How can MM be dead? This is the fraking fallacy put forth and regurgitated again and again. Unless you mean to combine MM and PSR/Tier.. then it has been dead at least 6-12 months after it went live, after everyone was seeded based on their Elo ratings from beginning of the year.

Solo queue MM has ALWAYS formed together teams based on Tier level and matching weight class. And yes, there was a period of time when the MM valves opened up and allowed extreme Tier matching, but even then MM never, ever used any other stats.

The issue is how PGI setup PSR. It was/is meant to keep separate new players from the sharks but after that it fails in everything else. As long as a player hits the lowest positive threshold they move up in tiers. PSR has been running long enough without a reset/realignment that with its LOW LOW LOW thresholds, players who would/should be in tier 4 or 3 and have played 15K+ games are now in Tier 1 and Tier 2.

That they keep playing.. thankfully a stubborn bunch of players, players who either love BT, the mechanics, the gameplay, friends, etc. But would said players likely though be more happy/satisfied to be playing with players of their own caliber, where they may break even on win/loss at least? And what of those players who had quit, thinking tis total BS to be forced to be matched up against higher caliber players, getting creamed? Would a better setting have helped keep more of those players, excluding the failing of CW/FP, which would have helped keep even more players.

Now if the MM was coded to use an actual stat (avg Match Score for last 200-500 games??) within a range of tiers based on seeded player, how would that really look for 275 MS + games vs 200 MS vs 175 MS?

I think I need another double Crown and Coke.....

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

We are going in circles now. Okay, lets go. You have made your point for others to see, and it is not getting anywhere with me. You are being very hypocritical on the problem with stat vs Tiers. How top Stat pilot abuse their places, in personalities. "You suck, you are at this % (when the pilot couldn't care), they are all stupid, etc." I have seen, witnessed this with players in MWO who bring up stats. They use it in forums, and in Twitch. Stats is unhealthy unless, people are able to help change it for the better, and not toxic. MWO is a salty environment, and I hear, see it a lot. I do see players who just play, and couldn't care about stats, and they are in T1. They are more friendlier than those who put more about stats. And I bet you looked up mine. Many do, to say you have no right to say anything.

Again you don't understand the word hypocritical and are using it inappropriately. That you are continuing to name call speaks volumes.

As well stats are not unhealthy and are part of the game. You are continuing to equate there usage by toxic players and the tool itself being toxic, which it is not.

[GuardDogg]

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Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

Again you don't understand the word hypocritical and are using it inappropriately. That you are continuing to name call speaks volumes.

As well stats are not unhealthy and are part of the game. You are continuing to equate there usage by toxic players and the tool itself being toxic, which it is not.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 05:00 PM.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

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Not surprisingly you are basing your flawed thinking on videos you found on YouTube.

Still get it through your head that the tool is not responsible for the behaviour.

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

Not surprisingly you are basing your flawed thinking on videos you found on YouTube.

Still get it through your head that the tool is not responsible for the behaviour.

Well, eventually having stats, leader boards are changing to remove toxic players that are on top of the list to good behavior. Their is many in MWO. Gaming Industry and psychologists are aware of this problem when it comes to video gaming. They are in the efforts in fixing the mental health problems. Stats are unhealthy atm, even in MWO.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 05:35 PM.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

Well, eventually having stats, leader boards are changing to remove toxic players that are on top of the list to good behavior. Their is many in MWO. Gaming Industry and psychologists are aware of this problem. They are in the efforts in fixing the mental health problems in video gaming.

It's ridiculous that you citing a problem and what you think the experts are doing.

Also your first sentence is an absolute mess and doesn't make any sense. 'Top of the list to good behaviour' is a meaningless string of words.

Psychologists also do not fix peoples problems remotely.

A lot of what you are misinterpreting is not applicable to competitive games like MWO or games like CSGO.

You keep failing to grasp that there are also people there are working on improving gaming experience by using evaluation and statistical analysis to match player of similar skill together and balance teams better.

This as Proto said is seemingly based on your misconception that you 'earned' your way into tier one and failing to understand what the purpose of elo or psr is generally for. It appears you have embraced the experience bar ideology yet you fail to grasp why it is creating salt and toxicity by putting players so mismatched against or with each other.

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 05:42 PM, said:

It's ridiculous that you citing a problem and what you think the experts are doing.

Also your first sentence is an absolute mess and doesn't make any sense. 'Top of the list to good behaviour' is a meaningless string of words.

Psychologists also do not fix peoples problems remotely.

A lot of what you are misinterpreting is not applicable to competitive games like MWO or games like CSGO.

You keep failing to grasp that there are also people there are working on improving gaming experience by using evaluation and statistical analysis to match player of similar skill together and balance teams better.

This as Proto said is seemingly based on your misconception that you 'earned' your way into tier one and failing to understand what the purpose of elo or psr is generally for. It appears you have embraced the experience bar ideology yet you fail to grasp why it is creating salt and toxicity by putting players so mismatched against or with each other. Psychologists and the gaming industry are aware of this, and fixing it.

Their is nothing for me to fail on regarding stats in MWO. They are toxic, so with other games like FPShooters. The leaderboards are stagnant in MWO. It will not change the toxicity from those who want to just play, to those who are on top of the stats. Everything was just fine, until stats came into MWO. Arguments started to rise. Stat players, "get good, or you are loser, or they are all losers. Etc." You are not seeing from the outside, it is either you are in it, or contribute to it or both. Hey we are gong in circles here. You made your point for others to see, but I refuse to take yours, cause of my background and more. I see a hypocritical situation. I am thick headed, like others said here and more.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 06:06 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

There was always a "git gud or shut up" crowd in this game, stats just flushed the people who really should shut up out into the open.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

the only Solution for this is a Lobby/serversystem like battlefield or the Old mW4.
Who im can change and search the team/Servers thats the best for my playstyle and find my favorite Servers for good Matches ...and we have not Experiencelevels thats locks Mechs on Levels , like other Wargames ...War Thunder or Star Conflict .he we can drive from the first Day a B 29 and a Mig 23

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 18 August 2019 - 06:34 PM.

[Prototelis]

lol, don't need stats to tell someone is bad when you see the same people over and over again.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 05:59 PM, said:

Their is nothing for me to fail on regarding stats in MWO. They are toxic, so with other games like FPShooters. The leaderboards are stagnant in MWO. It will not change the toxicity from those who want to just play, to those who are on top of the stats. Everything was just fine, until stats came into MWO. Arguments started to rise. Stat players, "get good, or you are loser, or they are all losers. Etc." You are not seeing from the outside, it is either you are in it, or contribute to it or both. Hey we are gong in circles here. You made your point for others to see, but I refuse to take yours, cause of my background and more. I see a hypocritical situation. I am thick headed, like others said here and more.

You are failing because they are absolutely not toxic and again toxic players will be toxic regardless.

You are failing to grasp that top player and those that just want to play casually should have either separate queues or have a system that balances these two types of players evenly.

We are going in circles because you don't understand the information and have interpreted things incorrectly.

Your display of your alleged background and continued false correlations have not backed up anything you have said despite you searching YouTube. You don't comprehend the information being fed to you and lack the ability to discern or even begin to understand the concept of psr or elo or that even your own video is based on one students experience on a leaderboard in a non pvp environment. It also furthers my point when it suggests that players be put into smaller similar 'list' ie which goes back to my points about elo and psr.

So if you are going to wildly misinterpret even your own videos I am going to continue to chip away at the many, many errors in your thinking and what you are falsely equating things to due to your displayed lack of understanding the subject.

You also continually misuse the word hypocritical and it's quite clear you don't understand what it means at all. If you in fact did attend post secondary education, to which I am highly skeptical that you did, you should sue them for failing to provide even a cursory ability to interpret data and information.

[GuardDogg]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 18 August 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

the only Solution for this is a Lobby/serversystem like battlefield or the Old mW4.
Who im can change and search the team/Servers thats the best for my playstyle and find my favorite Servers for good Matches ...and we have not Experiencelevels thats locks Mechs on Levels , like other Wargames ...War Thunder or Star Conflict .he we can drive from the first Day a B 29 and a Mig 23

Agree

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 06:35 PM, said:

You are failing because they are absolutely not toxic and again toxic players will be toxic regardless.

You are failing to grasp that top player and those that just want to play casually should have either separate queues or have a system that balances these two types of players evenly.

We are going in circles because you don't understand the information and have interpreted things incorrectly.

Your display of your alleged background and continued false correlations have not backed up anything you have said despite you searching YouTube. You don't comprehend the information being fed to you and lack the ability to discern or even begin to understand the concept of psr or elo or that even your own video is based on one students experience on a leaderboard in a non pvp environment. It also furthers my point when it suggests that players be put into smaller similar 'list' ie which goes back to my points about elo and psr.

So if you are going to wildly misinterpret even your own videos I am going to continue to chip away at the many, many errors in your thinking and what you are falsely equating things to due to your displayed lack of understanding the subject.

You also continually misuse the word hypocritical and it's quite clear you don't understand what it means at all. If you in fact did attend post secondary education, to which I am highly skeptical that you did, you should sue them for failing to provide even a cursory ability to interpret data and information.

So, eventually you contribute to it (stats with toxicity). I understand in my way they are not good, unhealthy to other players. Creates more toxicity. Toxicity is in all video games, and been around oh gosh for how long? They are more brutal else where (even children), but MWO has a lot, older generation. And those who do not care about stats are more generous, calm, relaxed, enjoyable to be with, than those who are more into stats. It shows in this thread and other.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 06:40 PM.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

So, eventually you contribute to it (stats with toxicity). I understand in my way they are not good, unhealthy to other players. Creates more toxicity. Toxicity is in all video games, and been around oh gosh for how long? They are more brutal else where (even children), but MWO has a lot, older generation. And those who do not care about stats are more generous, calm, relaxed, enjoyable to be with, than those who are more into stats. It shows in this thread and other.

Except you seemingly are unable to understand anything. Again you are making huge leaps and basing on not even understanding your own examples.

It doesn't show in this thread as that is you badly inferring and interpreting things without a hint of skill or qualification to do so.

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 06:47 PM, said:

Except you seemingly are unable to understand anything. Again you are making huge leaps and basing on not even understanding your own examples.

It doesn't show in this thread as that is you badly inferring and interpreting things without a hint of skill or qualification to do so.

What examples? In game, watching twitch, seeing it in the forums? When a day stats mean nothing, and then today they do. hmmm

Page 7....... 993 pages to go. ;-)

https://mwomercs.com...your-own-stats/

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 07:05 PM.

[Dee Eight]

Prototelis, on 17 August 2019 - 06:51 PM, said:

If you had a background in psychology you might understand the mental problems on wanting to freely portray yourself as an expert on a game you play at a novice level.

Ever watch the chieftain's videos (from WoT) on youtube ? In his introduction to a talk he did at Tankfest NW 2015 called "myths of american armor" he has a statement in response to someone claiming to be an expert on tanks because he drives an M1... "what has that got to do with the price of fish?" is his retort. His talk about who he is starts at 1:31 of the video.