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[Khobai]

Feral Clown, on 27 August 2019 - 09:30 PM, said:

LOL.

Clan peeps for one are not the best energy weapon in the game.

I never said they were the best energy weapon in the game.

If you actually read my post, which clearly you didnt, I said lasers were the best energy weapons in the game.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Feral Clown, on 27 August 2019 - 09:30 PM, said:

LOL.

Clan peeps for one are not the best energy weapon in the game.

Clan er's especially large have their drawbacks and they are not even in a good space.

Clan heatsinks are not just better on their own, Clan ferro and endo are better as per lore, and if they weren't guys like you would be crying and bringing it up.

Finally players are offered many, many choices in this game which you are probably not aware since you don't play the game.

Clan large pulse are better then clan ER PPCs

[FupDup]

SirSmokes, on 28 August 2019 - 08:20 AM, said:

Clan large pulse are better then clan ER PPCs

The Clan LPL kinda got edged out of the meta. It's still a perfectly usable weapon but it doesn't really have a particular niche. The CERPPC has a more clearly defined role.

[Sjorpha]

SirSmokes, on 28 August 2019 - 08:20 AM, said:

Clan large pulse are better then clan ER PPCs

As a standalone weapon, no it's not. There are some quite competitive cERPPC builds (not many but a few), there aren't really any competitive cLPL boats.

As a laser vomit companion to cERML, the cLPL is still very good on some builds where you want to go all out on the midrange alpha, but in most cases the cERLL have surpassed it in that role as well.

[Xiphias]

FupDup, on 27 August 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

You're right.

We need to roll back all Clan tech to how it was first released and remove all quirks. That would make the game more fun!

We need to go back further and bring back ECM that disables IFF. Now that was a fun ability.

[Feral Clown]

Khobai, on 28 August 2019 - 03:13 AM, said:

I never said they were the best energy weapon in the game.

If you actually read my post, which clearly you didnt, I said lasers were the best energy weapons in the game.

I did read your post, and you absolutely did not object to the person you were replying to, assertion that clan erpeeps were the best energy weapon in the game. You simply went on a diatribe about your usual nonsense.

SirSmokes, on 28 August 2019 - 08:20 AM, said:

Clan large pulse are better then clan ER PPCs

I use clan large pulse a lot because I don't like the heavy large and favour the ease of use and dps from pulses. I don't know if they are actually better than erpeeps though. Warhawk 4 peeps > Warhawk 4 lpl.

[Khobai]

Feral Clown, on 28 August 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

I did read your post, and you absolutely did not object to the person you were replying to, assertion that clan erpeeps were the best energy weapon in the game. You simply went on a diatribe about your usual nonsense.

by your logic, you didnt absolutely object to being an idiot. I guess that means you are one.

not objecting to something someone says doesnt mean you automatically agree with someone. I dont know where you got your silence is acquiescence rationale from, but when a girl doesnt say no she doesnt automatically mean yes.

the only nonsense here is your own. To recap:

1) I never said ERPPCs were the best weapon. you invented that with your childlike lack of reading comprehension.

2) I specifically stated ER lasers were the best energy weapons in the game. And specifically the clan versions because CDHS are overpowered compared to ISDHS.

Edited by Khobai, 28 August 2019 - 08:56 PM.

[Feral Clown]

Khobai, on 28 August 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

by your logic, you didnt object to not being an idiot. I guess that means you are one.

not objecting to something doesnt mean you agree with someone.

the only nonsense here is your own. To recap:

1) I never said ERPPCs were the best weapon. you invented that with your childlike lack of reading comprehension.

2) I specifically stated ER lasers were the best energy weapons in the game. And specifically the clan versions because CDHS are overpowered compared to ISDHS.

So you are name calling now because you don't have a point and do not know, understand, or even play the game. Got it.

[Khobai]

Lets keep in mind that youre the one that deliberately made up things I didnt say then twisted them around. So the first malicious act was entirely on you.

And if you think I was name calling you entirely missed the point of the lesson. The point was not to call you an idiot. Merely to point out the flaw in your logic that by not disagreeing with someone you arnt automatically agreeing with them. When someone abstains from voting it doesnt mean theyre voting yes.

I also dont know where you got the notion I dont play the game either. Im not sure why the concept of having two different accounts is so hard to grasp. Its almost like you cant win an argument any other way so you have to try and resort to stat shaming me on an account I havent played on in 3 years. lmao thats sad.

Edited by Khobai, 28 August 2019 - 09:27 PM.

[Feral Clown]

Khobai, on 28 August 2019 - 09:00 PM, said:

Lets keep in mind that youre the one that deliberately made up things I didnt say than twisted them around. So the first malicious act was on you.

And if you think I was name calling you entirely missed the point of what I was saying. The point was not to call you an idiot. Merely to point out the flaw in your logic that by not disagreeing with someone you arnt automatically agree with them.

The point is you don't have logic.

You are saying Clan er larges are the best energy weapon in the game which they are not.

Your post was also deliberately insulting while calling me a child which is perfect.

Maybe you thought you were being clear but you weren't and not hard to read into you agreeing with that post since you went off on another tangent.

You lack any point or clue when you go on about Clan heatsinks being better. It's not in question that they are better, as noted Clan has many advantages that even compound them being two slots instead of three. It's not the point and it certainly doesn't make those er larges particularly good right now. It also doesn't consider what is currently being used to balance IS er's.

Apparently you don't watch comp either, and don't have an understanding of what the top end good players are doing or using or what is considered strong.

From childish name calling to going off on heatsinks without taking into consideration a whole ton of other things compounded with the fact that Clan er's are absolutely not the best energy weapon in the game you lack any point or credibility whatsoever.

[Khobai]

Feral Clown, on 28 August 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

You are saying Clan er larges are the best energy weapon in the game which they are not.

I did not say that either.

Feral Clown, on 28 August 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

Your post was also deliberately insulting while calling me a child which is perfect.

then stop acting like a child. children make things up which is exactly what youre doing.

I didnt say CERPPCs were the best energy weapon. Nor did I say ER Large lasers were the best energy weapon.

I said ER lasers. not large ones. If I wanted to say ER large lasers were the best energy weapon I would use the adjective "large" which I did not.

Again your lack of reading comprehension is blatantly apparent.

When someone doesnt say something isnt large, they dont automatically mean it is large. You need to stop adding things that arnt there.

Not disagreeing with someone is not the same thing as agreeing with them. And not saying something is not the same thing as saying it.

Edited by Khobai, 28 August 2019 - 09:42 PM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I agree. ER µL are the best weapons in the game.

[Feral Clown]

Khobai, on 28 August 2019 - 09:28 PM, said:

I did not say that either.



then stop acting like a child. children make things up which is exactly what youre doing.

I didnt say CERPPCs were the best energy weapon. Nor did I say ER Large lasers were the best energy weapon.

I said ER lasers. not large ones. If I wanted to say ER large lasers were the best energy weapon I would use the adjective "large" which I did not.

Again your lack of reading comprehension is blatantly apparent.

When someone doesnt say something isnt large, they dont automatically mean it is large. You need to stop adding things that arnt there.

Not disagreeing with someone is not the same thing as agreeing with them. And not saying something is not the same thing as saying it.

I went back and reviewed, and you are correct you only said er's.

So that means you think Clan/IS er meds, smalls, and larges are the best energy weapons in the game. Larges are a part of that group though, and are not in a particularly good spot which is my focus on this conversation. You also seem to playing a poor game of semantics since larges are in that er family on both sides.

To clear this up though, you are still incorrect. Both tech's er meds paired up with other weapons are strong, but they are very far from being the best energy weapons in the game and my point still stands that you don't know what you are talking about. They have significant drawbacks in burn time and cooldown. IS's er med cooldown is especially bad currently.

[Karl Streiger]

Feral Clown, on 28 August 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

Apparently you don't watch comp either, and don't have an understanding of what the top end good players are doing or using or what is considered strong.

Good players?
Half the of the best players of MWO had stopped to care when you started to be around.

Anyhow your math is false so is your logic, not even start to speak about your argumentation.
'm pretty sure your self-reflection of your ability to understand the game is based on your ability to play the game. (so very biased)

Anyhow when I aggregate your posts - you say this and that is not the best energy weapon. Considering your arguments the only energy weapon remaining is the TAG and the Flammer....

[Feral Clown]

Karl Streiger, on 29 August 2019 - 12:40 AM, said:

Good players?
Half the of the best players of MWO had stopped to care when you started to be around.

Anyhow your math is false so is your logic, not even start to speak about your argumentation.
'm pretty sure your self-reflection of your ability to understand the game is based on your ability to play the game. (so very biased)

Anyhow when I aggregate your posts - you say this and that is not the best energy weapon. Considering your arguments the only energy weapon remaining is the TAG and the Flammer....

You have no idea how long I have been around you've made an assumption.

I base my opinion not simply on my own experience but many things.

What math are you speaking of?

Apparently you are not familiar with the various energy weapons in the game.

What bias are you also speaking of, me being in the 95+ percentile? Part of success I have had in the game was learning and understanding the game. Sad you don't understand that. Speaks to your argumentation.

[Karl Streiger]

Feral Clown, on 29 August 2019 - 12:52 AM, said:

You have no idea how long I have been around you've made an assumption.

I base my opinion not simply on my own experience but many things.

What math are you speaking of?

unless you are one of those guys with alt-account - no.

Hot air?

Math could look like this (created Apr-Jun 2016 - collected data from several player of all "Skill levels" ~100)
https://docs.google....348&single=true

The result: skill difference in mouse aiming is minmal, weapon for weapon balance is solid.
So the difference in balance is only a combination of hard point numbers/location obscured by the ability to twist and map knowledge and a tiny spec of precision

Edited by Karl Streiger, 29 August 2019 - 01:22 AM.

[Feral Clown]

Karl Streiger, on 29 August 2019 - 01:19 AM, said:

unless you are one of those guys with alt-account - no.

Hot air?

Math could look like this (created Apr-Jun 2016 - collected data from several player of all "Skill levels" ~100)
https://docs.google....348&single=true

Oh boy.

Are you one of those with alt accounts? Cause the math shows and proves you had no idea how to play this game.

Your document is also unreadable on my end. Columns aren't titled and it isn't clear what it is supposed to represent, so no math shouldn't look like that.

As far as hot air, there are people who have had success at this game, play at a high level, and do a great deal of work testing and trying things. There are discords and streams and various other ways to communicate and a website that replaced metamechs.

I could go on and on but through your posts and your stats you have continually shown that you have not even the slightest knowledge about this game.

[Karl Streiger]

Feral Clown, on 29 August 2019 - 01:26 AM, said:

Are you one of those with alt accounts? Cause the math shows and proves you had no idea how to play this game.

How can the math prove something when you don't understand this math.

Its the same faulty argumentation you have shown when discussing with Khobai

Edited by Karl Streiger, 29 August 2019 - 01:37 AM.

[Feral Clown]

Karl Streiger, on 29 August 2019 - 01:36 AM, said:

How can the math prove something when you don't understand this math.

Its the same faulty argumentation you have shown when discussing with Khobai

Except I didn't actually dive into the numbers so you are incorrect.

I don't think you even have the slightest idea what me and that guy are even talking about.

Your chart is also nonsense and unreadable. You are just interjecting nonsense about something that you don't even comprehend.

The math of your stats however is quite clear and values are labeled. You couldn't win, kill things, or put out damage. It's really that straight forward.

Edited by Feral Clown, 29 August 2019 - 01:44 AM.

[Khobai]

I still maintain that Clan ER Medium lasers are the best overall energy weapon in the game.

Nothing else even comes close to giving you the same performance in the same compact package.