I see pilots in T1 not making 300 match score all the time. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. Then making match scores of 400. It fluctuates.
That is why there is a brilliant thing called - averages. Go look up the meaning.
Roughly it should work like this:
150 Average or below - Tier 5
190 Average or below - Tier 4
191 - 240 Average - Tier 3 (approx 15,000 players)
241 - 310 Average - Tier 2
311+ - Tier 1.
That allows for a broad distribution of players across Tier 3, so all Tiers get matches easily. and without issue because the currentoy formula is Tier +/- 2 - for a match sum. Of course the above is only rough, it would need a bit more math behind it before it was viable but 15k players (out of 28k a month) is about right for the middle range.
Edited by justcallme A S H, 03 November 2019 - 08:56 PM.
If it was that way, guys making a MS of 311+ would be darn lonely from the salt, and bickering. Making new accounts like crazy to hold at a Tier, not to be in T1.
Actually been told years ago, when getting to T1, is where the saltiest players are. Do not want to be in T1. I wasn't sure about that. Now that their is a mixture, their isn't much. So, it has been proven.
If it was that way, guys making a MS of 311+ would be darn lonely from the salt, and bickering. Making new accounts like crazy to hold at a Tier, not to be in T1.
How do you know that?
Maybe there would be less salt.
A lot of that salt is caused by players running off and doing odd things which leads to a loss. A better ranking system and MM should make that less likely to happen.
Why do not guys disapprove some players (including myself) being in T1? Ever thought some players improve in time.
Then those players would be more than welcome in T1. AFTER IMPROVING.
GuardDogg, on 03 November 2019 - 09:32 PM, said:
If it was that way, guys making a MS of 311+ would be darn lonely from the salt, and bickering. Making new accounts like crazy to hold at a Tier, not to be in T1.
Actually, no, 'cause those guys would be playing regularly against each other and while in QP, since it matches with a leniency of +2 tiers up and down, the matches would be better 'cause they all know that the key to this game is to SHOOT THE ENEMIES and not run away the moment your paint gets scratched, like it is currently happening now.
GuardDogg, on 03 November 2019 - 09:48 PM, said:
Actually been told years ago, when getting to T1, is where the saltiest players are. Do not want to be in T1. I wasn't sure about that. Now that their is a mixture, their isn't much. So, it has been proven.
Where is the salt coming from? The top pilots don't use comms much anymore. So, where is the salt coming from? Yep, you guessed it
What has that got to do with this topic? We're talking about player skill. Those that have better skill will win. If anything, you're showing that people with good skill will be superior and that the MM is bad, which we already know. What about screenshots and numbers to show the difference between the quality of T1 pilots?
Not all T1 pilots can make a match score of 300+ all the time. Eventually they will fall. And been told of the salt, and bickering like crazy. T1 pilots will get lonely, so that is why it is what it is.
Why do not guys disapprove some players (including myself) being in T1? Ever thought some players improve in time.
Because the game, which sees Bows3r and bear_cl4w on the other team, will put you on my team because it thinks you are a Tier 1 pilot and thus, with me, we make two Tier 1 pilots that can combat those two Tier 1 pilots.
I am not even a match for one of them, and you are not a match for me. Do you see the problem, now?
If the game were to actually place players according to skill, it can more properly place the correct distribution of skill on each team. A match will never be all T1, but at least the number of T1s on each side will be representative of performance.
The "Tier" is not supposed to be a reward. You aren't supposed to get into Tier 1 without having performance that is worthy of being in Tier 1. If you are in Tier 1 before you can display that performance, you should not be in that Tier because it undermines the ability of the match-maker, which uses Tier in determining pilot allocation to the team, to properly distribute the skill across both sides.
Not all T1 pilots can make a match score of 300+ all the time. Eventually they will fall. And been told of the salt, and bickering like crazy. T1 pilots will get lonely, so that is why it is what it is.
Like it's been pointed out already, look at the AVERAGE. They might not hit that MS all the time but over the course of the season, their average will be high. Look at the top pilots' average. Furthermore, the top pilots already have said so that not being able to stay at a high average SHOULD relegate that pilot to a lower tier until they regain their form. That's not happening and as a result, the quality of the matches is going down. Why? 'Cause the MM is thinking that someone like me or worse is on equal terms with someone from one of the top Units in this game.
Y E O N N E, on 03 November 2019 - 10:12 PM, said:
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The "Tier" is not supposed to be a reward. You aren't supposed to get into Tier 1 without having performance that is worthy of being in Tier 1. If you are in Tier 1 before you can display that performance, you should not be in that Tier because it undermines the ability of the match-maker, which uses Tier in determining pilot allocation to the team, to properly distribute the skill across both sides.
Who is "you"? Are you discriminating players who gained their skills in MWO, and improved themselves, then T1 (only us) saying that certain pilots shouldn't be in T1 all because of a match score? Like certain T1 pilots are special or something.
LocationTo Nova or not to Nova. That is the question.
Posted 03 November 2019 - 10:16 PM
It should be a pretty simple equation but as many have pointed out it is very easy to go up in PSR but almost impossible to lose it.
While there will always be the odd game where you can have an exceptionally good match or put in a shocker, your personal match score should balance out when you are playing at an equivalent level of skill with other players.
To refer to ASH's table:
justcallme A S H, on 03 November 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:
150 Average or below - Tier 5
190 Average or below - Tier 4
191 - 240 Average - Tier 3 (approx 15,000 players)
241 - 310 Average - Tier 2
311+ - Tier 1.
If we were to take a cross section of the MWO population at the present time and change their tier relative to their average match score as it stood right now, players would be better served at both ends of the spectrum filtered as above.
This is an educated approximation of how to re-organise the population at this point in time.
What should be expected is that when you are over performing for your tier, it will be reflected in a higher match score and if you manage to maintain that level of performance as determined using an average over a set number of matches, then you should be shifted a tier upward.
If you are under-performing then that match score should reflect that and naturally be lower, take the average over X number of matches and if it is consistently below the mark you should get shifted to a lower tier.
What should happen is at some point you will plateau in one of the tiers and have an average match score which will also be shared by the other players in the match and this is where you will sit unless you improve your game play or become worse.
To use the above figures.
If the majority of players average between 191 - 240 match score then we might be able to assume that this 50pt plateau we could expect at any tier.
So players that do work their way up or down should eventually find they hold their place in their tier while maintaining this average.
Currently though, you can score well below this average but still get an increase IF your team wins.
(case in point... )
The poor experience players are having at both ends of the spectrum is due to the mixed teams created by the system forcing everyone into tier 1. Players who should be in a lower tier are getting upset because they are getting rolled and players who should be in a higher tier are getting frustrated for the same reason. That's why there is bickering and saltiness.
But if everyone filtered into a tier appropriate to their skill because the PSR gain/loss was better equated, you would find that the player interaction and satisfaction in matches would improve.
Who is "you"? Are you discrimination players who gained their skills in MWO, and bettered themselves, shouldn't be their because of a match score?
Match score is representative of skills. "You" is anybody and everybody. If players aren't able to push out the match score and resulting wins that place them in at least the top fifth of player scores in the game, they shouldn't be in Tier 1. And nobody is entitled to remain Tier 1 if they don't keep up that level of performance. In fact, what defines that level of performance should always be adjusting so only, at most, the top fifth of the population is in Tier 1.
Tiers are not supposed to be participation trophies.
If you're trying to "win" this argument by attrition, i.e., make yourself sound so stupid that people will start to pity you and leave, then that's not going to happen.
If you're trying to "win" this argument by attrition, i.e., make yourself sound so stupid that people will start to pity you and leave, then that's not going to happen.
Why didn't you write, players or something else? Then it is everyone else then. People have feelings for everyone. Unless you don't? People playing MWO have made the bars to T1. And if others who are saying they shouldn't be there. Then they are discriminating. They improved themselves to be with others who are just as good. That is the way it is. Now I am seeing their is nothing wrong with the Tier system. Just the players who say it is making it, sound bad.
Why didn't you write, players or something else? Then it is everyone else then. :-)
Look, it's very simple. If you were placed in a lower tier and treated as such, your match experience and interaction with the players in your group will be very good. Same applies to me and everyone else. There's no point in having a MM that thinks that the top pilots have the same skill level as you. You can troll all you want and try to paint yourself as a Hero to the masses but you're just wrong.
They improved themselves to be with others who are just as good.
They didn't, though. There are players whose match scores are not at least in the top 20% that are in Tier 1. A player should not be able to get into Tier 1 without first having scores at least that good. This should be the case for getting into any Tier higher than the one any given player is already occupying.
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That is the way it is. Now I am seeing their is nothing wrong with the Tier system. Just the players who say it is making it bad.
Look, it's very simple. If you were placed in a lower tier and treated as such, your match experience and interaction with the players in your group will be very good. Same applies to me and everyone else. There's no point in having a MM that thinks that the top pilots have the same skill level as you. You can troll all you want and try to paint yourself as a Hero to the masses but you're just wrong.
"Lower Tier." How does that sound? Maybe lower is not the right term. Maybe section or something else would been a lot friendlier. "Lower" makes people sound lesser of themselves.
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GuardDogg, on 03 November 2019 - 08:20 PM, said:
