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Mechwarrior 5 Is A Step Down From Mw 4 In Every Single Way And More


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#41 Vellron2005

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 06:58 AM

Seems to me that OP is a bit spoiled by the literal years of MWO diversity, timeline jumps and continuous "wanna buy the next OP mech pack" type of thinking..

Yes, the mechs and weapons are scarce. Because it's pre-clan invasion era. When mechs were scarce. I mean it literally tells you at the beginning of the game that half your mech is 500 years old..

Ok,friendly A.I. could use some work, and enemies spawning on top of you is a bit wonky, but not to such rage-quit levels the OP is displaying. And certainly not better than super-scripted and always-the-same MW4.

Hell, I'd trade ANYTHING that MW4 does better than MW5 just for MW5's procedurally generated maps. That one feature alone makes MW5 golden for me. Insane replay value.

But when you're used to camping the same spot in your meta-mech, or nascaring the same way and backstabbing in your broken hitbox Assassin, like some people obviously are in MWO, I guess MW5 won't be the game for you.

You can always play MW4. Or Tetris.

#42 Prototelis

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 07:05 AM

Bro, theres like 4 mission types. lol

"insane replay value"

Does the grabby claw machine at the mall have insane replay value for you? What about the little airplane ride?

#43 Koniving

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 10:27 AM

View PostThe Amazing Atomic Spaniel, on 16 December 2019 - 02:15 AM, said:

Some nice suggestions in this thread from AurioDK & Co., but I keep coming back to the unavoidable fact that this is a small developer in a very narrow niche market that hasn't supported a game for almost 20 years. I'm still amazed at what they managed to give us, reasonably on time and (I presume) in budget. Can you imagine the business pitch, "we want to make a PC-only game in a dead franchise where most of the players will be over 50". PGI must be very persuasive. For me, my one over-riding fix I hope the modders can deliver (looking at you, Koniving) is to be able to go from the floor of the mechbay upstairs to talk to Northern Lady without having to navigate those ******* stairs every time.


Preference would be Ryana leaves her damn table and comes to you.
But all the dialogue is actually activated by the table and not even Ryana.
I can see about an elevator or perhaps having you "spawn" on the bridge overlooking the mech rather than on the floor. If you look at the bridge it has a platform on each that's supposed to load you into the cockpit...
I don't know if it would hold or if there's a dozen copies of the dropship to spawn back into, but if it works for every time you come back then the easiest solution is you spawn back on the platform alongside the bridge.

This presents a new problem -- Fahad is still downstairs. And people want Fahad to actually work on the mechs so we can't really put him upstairs.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 10:32 AM

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 06:19 AM, said:

^ lul, mech assault still rated higher.

Less lore; higher score.


https://www.playhawken.com/
Less lore, more war.
Have fun.
Also went bankrupt and sold another company...twice.

Plays like a first person Mech Assault 2.

#45 Prototelis

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 10:37 AM

lol, one bad robut game he says.

I'd be careful with that tho; mw5 score only two points away from hawken.

#46 GuardDogg

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 12:23 PM

For Clan mechs, might be a MW5 expansion in a year or two. "The Clanners". MW3 did it, MW4 did it, MWO did it. Who knows that MW5 might do it.

One thing though. I have never seen a Hatchetman mech yet.

Edited by GuardDogg, 16 December 2019 - 12:26 PM.


#47 martian

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 01:06 PM

View PostGuardDogg, on 16 December 2019 - 12:23 PM, said:

One thing though. I have never seen a Hatchetman mech yet.

Buy BattleTech: Flashpoint by HBS. Posted Image

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Or simply order a real one:
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#48 Jackal Noble

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:03 PM

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

Bro, theres like 4 mission types. lol

"insane replay value"

Does the grabby claw machine at the mall have insane replay value for you? What about the little airplane ride?

*plays MWO for years on end.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:39 PM

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

Bro, theres like 4 mission types. lol

"insane replay value"

Does the grabby claw machine at the mall have insane replay value for you? What about the little airplane ride?
I am willing to argue the position that Claw Machines have MORE replay value than MechWarrior 5.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:40 PM

I like it. Reminds me of MW2 salvage. Random mission structure, random assets, sure there is a storeyline, but it will never play out the same twice. Many times the maps look gorgeous. There are a few balancing flaws, but everyone claimed the alpha clips from MW5 didn't look challenging enough so expect to lose some missions.

For once the Mechs have scale. I never think I am walking my mech through a forest of bonzai trees. Fine detail in the trees and vehicles could be better, but the game has to run on a wide range of PC's so I can't complain. Yep these are 30 foot tall giant stompy robots and not quakewarrior. Posted Image

Oh yeah. Why are there no Clan mechs in MW5....yet? Because they arrive in MW5's expansion pack in 3050. Yes, and that will build on what we have now.

But, I dunno. MW5 has some good things that shake up the storeyline like finding a Warhammer 6D at level 5 in some unknown commercial hub and scrapping up just enough CBills to buy it!

Edited by Lightfoot, 16 December 2019 - 03:16 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:41 PM

View Postmartian, on 15 December 2019 - 12:34 PM, said:

... is like complaining that you can not use F-14 Tomcat during the Battle of Midway in 1942.


Wasn't there a movie that had F-14s tangling with Japanese Zeros? Posted Image

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 02:53 PM

View PostKhobai, on 15 December 2019 - 01:34 PM, said:

… dinosaur ...


Oh dear! <smh>

#53 Prototelis

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 03:08 PM

View PostJackal Noble, on 16 December 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

*plays MWO for years on end.


(mostly) Unpredictable human opponents are a lot more interesting, game also has more than twice as many game mode soooooooo

#54 Nacho Man Randy Snackage

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 03:11 PM

ITT: People who have never played another mechwarrior game, and watched a bunch of lore videos on youtube defend the worst mechwarrior title to ever release. They hide behind lore for lack of content and predatory business practices. Oh and by the way, theres no melee in mw5 either, another big lore element that was left out. But i guess you people will defend that too and say "BUT ITS TOO HARD FOR PIGGY TO DO THEIR JOBS AND MAKE A FULL GAME"

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 03:11 PM

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

(mostly) Unpredictable human opponents are a lot more interesting, game also has more than twice as many game mode soooooooo

Deathmatch, or deathmatch or deathmatch or deathmatch or deathmatch or deathmatch or deathmatch or deathmatch.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 03:17 PM

Shoot tank/mech or shoot tank/mech or shoot tank/mech

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 03:24 PM

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

Shoot tank/mech or shoot tank/mech or shoot tank/mech

You forgot helicopters

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 04:08 PM

Robots (not mechwarriors) in WW2



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Posted 16 December 2019 - 05:00 PM

View PostNacho Man Randy Snackage, on 15 December 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

>less content than mechwarrior online
>no clan tech
>no civil war era weapons
>no clan mechs
>only half of the is mechs in mwo
>mechlab is dog ****, you can only equip weapons of the same or lower slot size, you can't shove say 3 ac 2's in a hunchback 4G's shoulder anymore just a single 1 or an ac20
>no engine refits in mechlab
>no ferro or endo in mechlab
>can't play as a tank jet or helicopter
>can't have tanks jets or helicopters deploy with you
>only a single lance of 4 which sucks **** hard when you get to later missions
>missions are literally all the same including the campaign missions your supposed to care about
>all the maps are the same including the campaign missions because its all meme rng map generation because piggy is too **** to make actual maps
>enemy spawning in maps is ******* garbage and unfun, they literally just spawn around you and on top of you regardless of position and objective status
>enemy dropships literally dropping full lances 300m behind you while your fighting, even in non story missions
>this negates any kind of creativity when building a mech because you are forced into try hard mwo meta builds, but you can't make half of those builds because the mechlab is so ******* bare bones and dog ****
>allied ai is absolutely garbage probably worse than mechwarrior 4, with the added bonus of them getting stuck on the terrain in any map with rocks bigger than your feet
>huge world map, basically the whole intersphere, but you can only fight in baby's first combat zones that the developers pregenerated and do not move
>you can't join any factions
>your fighting in combat zones doesn't progress or detract from an ongoing war >you can't capture any territory and wipe out space china
>80% of the worlds are worthless, you can't even repair or buy **** on most of them because they aren't "industrial worlds"
>game has black markets in systems but its completely ******* worthless
>weapons have different quality which is ******* ********
>epic game store exclusive
>no mod support for at least 3 months because epic game store has no mod support yet

I can't believe russ ******** and piggy think they are going to sell 1 million copys of this joke of a game, especially after screwing over the community with egs. This is a massive joke.

Im not disagreeing with you in regards to the quality of MW5, I agree it is not good. I do have to say that a lot of your complaints seem to demonstrate that you never played the other MW games. They ported a lot of the same features from those games straight over...IE the weapons Slots. A lot of your complaints with the elements were excluded in MW5, are features that were only in MWO which tells me that MWO was your introduction to the MechWarrior Universe, which is fine. You just need to realize a lot of the things they ported over was to appeal to the people who played the other MW over the years. Might make you dislike the game so much.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 09:35 PM

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

(mostly) Unpredictable human opponents are a lot more interesting

You mean PUGs who either nascar or play peek-a-boo until they are all dead? Who always go to the same spot? Who decide that chasing Stealth Flea when piloting Daishi is a good idea?

Sometimes observing the rest of the team for one minute in the beginning of the game is enough for me to guess correctly how the game is going to end ...

View PostPrototelis, on 16 December 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

game also has more than twice as many game mode soooooooo

It does not matter how many modes MWO has - in my experience 99.9% games of every single MWO mode are played as deathmatch:
  • Skirmish - deathmatch
  • Assault - deathmatch; cap enemy base only if you can not find the last hiding enemy 'Mech
  • Conquest - deathmatch; after all enemies are dead, cap at your leisure
  • Incursion - deathmatch; leave bases and meet in the centre of the map to duke it out
  • Escort - deathmatch; kill all opposing 'Mechs and then the entire surviving team concentrates fire on the Atlas to bring it down
  • Domination - deathmatch; after all enemies are dead, stand in the centre of the map; cap usually happens in the end of the game without players even wanting it or realizing that they are capping






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