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[Prototelis]

^ You can't guarantee what side you get on.

Sync dropping almost always works out to actively harming your stats. Stop being a loon.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 28 December 2019 - 05:11 PM, said:

^ You can't guarantee what side you get on.

Sync dropping almost always works out to actively harming your stats. Stop being a loon.

Do we really need to go through the logic table again?

[Prototelis]

No, because you're wrong.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 28 December 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

No, because you're wrong.

Here we go again, all scenario outcomes:

Synch-dropper:
Successful Synch (Teams stacked): +1 (team has advantage)
Successful Synch (Teams unstacked): -0 (no advantage)
Unsynched: -0 (no advantage)

PUG:
Successful Synch (On stacked team): +1 (team has advantage)
Successful Synch (Vs. stacked team): -1 (team has disadvantage)
Successful Synch (Teams unstacked): -0 (no advantage)
Unsynched: -0 (no advantage)

Notice a lack of -1 for Synch-dropper. The long and short is they gain an unfair advantage over the PUG. Now, you'll probably come back with the probability of it happening but as we've been over before, even if the chance of getting a synch is 1/10 and the chance of stacking in that game is 1/10 you still have a 1/100 unfair advantage over the pug.

[Prototelis]

Still wrong; your criteria is incorrect.

[Anomalocaris]

Prototelis, on 28 December 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

Still wrong; your criteria is incorrect.

I believe what Prototelis is trying to get at is that if you do get stacked with your mates during a sync drop (and you're not one of those potato groups I've been running into in QP lately) sync'ing will almost certainly improve your WLR over a big enough span of matches. But your other stats such as damage, avg match score, kills, etc. may go down. Why? Because when you have a heavily unbalanced match, the better team will focus down targets very quickly and efficiently. Damage will be spread evenly among multiple players, and total damage scores will be lower because of the efficiency in killing.

I've never sync'd in QP, but when I used to drop in Group Queue with above average units, I'd pull my weight, but almost never see the kind of match scores and damage numbers I average in Solo drops. I _believe_ the same dynamic would apply on a successful sync.

I'm not saying I support sync dropping in QP, I despise it. It's bad for the game because getting focused down by a team that is coordinating (calls, mechs, strategy) in a way that is not normally seen (or even possible) in QP is discouraging for the average PUG. Even if they're on the winning side the average pugger is likely to feel like a extraneous asset if 3-4 good players are sync'd on his team.

[Prototelis]

My WLR actively goes down any time I sync with people. So no. 90% of the time it just leads to someone on the enemy team having a good idea of what I'm in, what I'm doing, and where I plan to throw down. Most often, the strongest player in a sync on either side gets dumpstered in a 2v1 as soon as possible, both teams lose most of their carry players and the match plays out the same as it would normally play out.

Theres also a lot of users on this forum that try to sync with some of the better streamers and still have a negative WLR.

So no, it doesn't help you.

Edited by Prototelis, 29 December 2019 - 01:37 PM.

[VonBruinwald]

Anomalocaris, on 28 December 2019 - 05:59 PM, said:

I believe what Prototelis is trying to get at is that if you do get stacked with your mates during a sync drop (and you're not one of those potato groups I've been running into in QP lately) sync'ing will almost certainly improve your WLR over a big enough span of matches. But your other stats such as damage, avg match score, kills, etc. may go down. Why? Because when you have a heavily unbalanced match, the better team will focus down targets very quickly and efficiently. Damage will be spread evenly among multiple players, and total damage scores will be lower because of the efficiency in killing.

I've never sync'd in QP, but when I used to drop in Group Queue with above average units, I'd pull my weight, but almost never see the kind of match scores and damage numbers I average in Solo drops. I _believe_ the same dynamic would apply on a successful sync.

I'm not saying I support sync dropping in QP, I despise it. It's bad for the game because getting focused down by a team that is coordinating (calls, mechs, strategy) in a way that is not normally seen (or even possible) in QP is discouraging for the average PUG. Even if they're on the winning side the average pugger is likely to feel like a extraneous asset if 3-4 good players are sync'd on his team.

You make a very good point, whilst your W/L will most certainly go up you may see a decline in your individual stats. Of course the argument could be made that the team advantage granted by stacking would allow one the opportunity to score greater individual stats than they would normally get because they are winning more matches on average. I imagine there's a tipping point between "team has advantage" and "stomping the opposition" where we see an increase in individual stats transfer to a decline.

[PhoenixFire55]

Given the non-existent population when you sync-drop with people of similar skill you are far more likely to get them on the opposing teams. Not only this doesn't give you and advantage, it is in fact a disadvantage since instead of a random tier-3 terribad potatoe you are facing someone similar to yourself.

[ShiverMeRivets]

PhoenixFire55, on 29 December 2019 - 04:04 AM, said:

Given the non-existent population when you sync-drop with people of similar skill you are far more likely to get them on the opposing teams. Not only this doesn't give you and advantage, it is in fact a disadvantage since instead of a random tier-3 terribad potatoe you are facing someone similar to yourself.

Sync droppers should choose different tonnage mechs to increase the chance of dropping on the same side.
If they go with matching mechs the MM will try to balance the teams tonnage by placing them in opposing teams.

[Dee Eight]

ShiverMeRivets, on 29 December 2019 - 04:44 AM, said:

Sync droppers should choose different tonnage mechs to increase the chance of dropping on the same side.
If they go with matching mechs the MM will try to balance the teams tonnage by placing them in opposing teams.

Right, which is why when I sync drop a streamer, I prefer to go same tonnage so I have an increased chance to kill that streamer.

[VonBruinwald]

PhoenixFire55, on 29 December 2019 - 04:04 AM, said:

Given the non-existent population when you sync-drop with people of similar skill you are far more likely to get them on the opposing teams. Not only this doesn't give you and advantage, it is in fact a disadvantage since instead of a random tier-3 terribad potatoe you are facing someone similar to yourself.

Are you trying to say that playing against a person "of similar skill" puts you at a disadvantage because you can't farm them like you could a terribad potatoe?

That doesn't sound like a disadvantage, that sounds like... balance.

[Dee Eight]

VonBruinwald, on 29 December 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

Are you trying to say that playing against a person "of similar skill" puts you at a disadvantage because you can't farm them like you could a terribad potatoe?

That doesn't sound like a disadvantage, that sounds like... balance.

Farming terribad potatoes in group queue (which ignores tier rating) is how he got his stats. Now that group queue is basically devoid of life... no more potato farming.

[PhoenixFire55]

VonBruinwald, on 29 December 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

Are you trying to say that playing against a person "of similar skill" puts you at a disadvantage because you can't farm them like you could a terribad potatoe?

That doesn't sound like a disadvantage, that sounds like... balance.

You can pretend to be stupid all you want, you know exactly what was meant.

[PhoenixFire55]

Dee Eight, on 29 December 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

Farming terribad potatoes in group queue (which ignores tier rating) is how he got his stats. Now that group queue is basically devoid of life... no more potato farming.

Everybody who actually plays QP knows I'm playing solo all the time and was playing solo 99% of my career matches. But in order to know that you need to ... yeah ... play the game. The saddest thing for you dear baddie, is that if you actually check the said stats you will notice, that both W/L and average score actually increased ever since group queue died. And I guess my group also carries me in 1v1 Solaris matches for 6 seasons now.

But hey, don't let me rain on yours and Bruinwald's clueless forever alone no friends parade. Teamwork OP, PGI nerf nao.

[VonBruinwald]

PhoenixFire55, on 29 December 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:

"Teamwork is OP, PGI please nerf, except when we're synch-dropping against pugs because then teamwork is totally UP, please buff."

*Fixed.

[Vxheous]

Dee Eight, on 29 December 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

Farming terribad potatoes in group queue (which ignores tier rating) is how he got his stats. Now that group queue is basically devoid of life... no more potato farming.

Hmm, I seem to have far better stats playing solo queue the last few months than playing group queue in previous years. Solo queue I can easily 400+ match score every single game, unlike group queue where I have to compete with the likes of my fellow EmP to kill. Group queue also had far harder opposition compared to YOLO nascar queue.



Compared to my lifetime stats in Jarls:

Edited by Vxheous, 29 December 2019 - 01:33 PM.

[Prototelis]

lol, any time Dee Eight struts it 5 people shut him down and his ignore list grows.

[Vxheous]

Prototelis, on 29 December 2019 - 01:38 PM, said:

lol, any time Dee Eight struts it 5 people shut him down and his ignore list grows.

He ignored me months ago

[RickySpanish]

Last two seasons of proper Mechdad level performances aside, for which I have no excuse, my performance improved as I gradually played less group queue matches. GQ is definitely harder especially if you play with a smaller lance. You could argue that some players are carried by their mates, and certainly those with massive win rate are possibly guilty of that. Then again, one ought to check stats before chucking stones.