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#21 Brauer

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 12:21 PM

View PostGarfuncle, on 24 March 2020 - 12:03 PM, said:

Don't take mechs slower than 65 kph into quick-play. You don't need a Heavy Gauss Fafnir in matches with 12 mechs and no respawns anyway. Save that **** for coordinated faction drops.


Uhhhhh there are some great mechs running 48-50kph that you can and should take to QP. Maybe not everyone can play them well, but my built-for-comp Sleipnir (as an example) wrecks mechs and drives wins in QP. It's a bit ammo light, and at 50kph it is slow (this is actually a bit faster than may be optimal for comp), but all my assault drops so far this season are in it, and while my sample is a touch low I am far outperforming my averages in it, and it has outperformed in the past as well.

Mandating that a mech must run 65kph takes a lot of great mechs out of the QP rotation, and when played correctly they can still function perfectly fine in QP. Taking faster mechs until someone learns to position better isn't the worst idea, but speed also means you get yourself in trouble faster.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 12:50 PM

View Postletir, on 24 March 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

It's not L2P issue. People actually dropping favorable positions like top center of HPG or Mining Collective ...

And why exactly are these "favorable positions"? ... Please, do tell.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 01:12 PM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 24 March 2020 - 12:50 PM, said:

And why exactly are these "favorable positions"? ... Please, do tell.

Maybe because you can actually circle faster than enemies, because you using inner circle? And top team also have big advantage in poking/poptarting, while bottom team forced to use narrow ramps for attack?

Middle structure on Mining Collective also have simlar advantages of big, covered platfrom which allow for better poking positions against most of the map.


But ppl to afraid to take shots from enemy to advance and engage on this positions. Better to go round around rosie in the hope of seeing enemy back, assaults be damned.

Edited by letir, 24 March 2020 - 01:12 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2020 - 01:19 PM

View Postletir, on 24 March 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

And top team also have big advantage in poking/poptarting


lol dude, actually bottom team has an advantage with poptarting the center on HPG

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 02:21 PM

View PostRWTumbleWeed, on 24 March 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

.... Challenging Cold-Soul to produce "evidence" of cheating seems again, shallow and somewhat of a cop-out. I'd like to suggest "participating" in the discussion, rather than dissecting someone's post to subsequently shoot it down... ....


At the risk of dissecting someone's point, I'd argue that the onus of proof is here on the accuser to provider evidence of cheating.

With respect to your later post I can safely say i'm in the clear there.

On the topic of this thread as a whole, I disagree with the majority of the points in the opening post and would like to add my support to the various informed posts herein.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM

Ok , all opinions are to be respected. The thing is not all agrree with everybody, some can see some cannot that the game has all the potential for a tactical - strategic gameplay might even say it is made for that , the problem lies within the answer of the following two questions.

#1 Can people understand the beauty of tactical element in the battle or even care for that?

#2 Is PGI interested to encourage gameplay towards tactical or damage farming?

Also i wonder if PGI even care about any of these .... so many so often just farm each other in synchro drops destroying the game experience for those who wanna play , have not seen anything done for that .

Also so many cheat and hack daily like all is ok and normall ... looks like PGI cares about quantity not quality .... as long as money flows in then all is good is that it? But that way so many good people are pushed away from the game , i wonder if the only ones spending money are the toxic players ...

Anyway there is a solution for every problem , make two different leaderbords or two different categories in the one existing now , also make two different game modes , one rewarding for the highest damage (like a team deathmatch), one rewarding for the win plus any tactical achievement like for example saviour kills or flanking e.t.c..
That way you seperate the players into two seperate pools that are homogeneit so everybody is happy.

I believe i just lost my good time because nothing will change , actually i just check to see if anything will , nothing change and i will not bother again .... something change and i will , because that will mean there is hope for making the game better .

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 02:42 PM

View Postletir, on 24 March 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

Maybe because you can actually circle faster than enemies, because you using inner circle? And top team also have big advantage in poking/poptarting, while bottom team forced to use narrow ramps for attack?

Middle structure on Mining Collective also have simlar advantages of big, covered platfrom which allow for better poking positions against most of the map.

Actually, yes and no. Surely controlling middle of the map allows you to move wherever needed much faster. But being in the middle of the map also means getting shot from all sides and being on the exposed high ground with little to no cover available. Thus, its actually a disadvantageous position in terms of trades and especially eating strikes.

HPG isn't played in comp, but if you watch some of the comp matches, especially higher tier teams, you'll notice that on Mining, people are avoiding middle ground apart from very fast theta cap by a light or two.

Also, needless to say, nobody is "forced" to use ramps and other choke points to shoot stuff in the middle of the map. The requirement to control the middle ground in order to win is nothing but a myth. It can very much turn into a quick loss, depending on the enemy position and respective team compositions in terms of mechs and builds.

View Postletir, on 24 March 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

But ppl to afraid to take shots from enemy to advance and engage on this positions. Better to go round around rosie in the hope of seeing enemy back, assaults be damned.

Afraid, yes, that is true for most QP teams. However, being afraid and not shooting stuff in the middle isn't any better or worse than being afraid and not shooting stuff while doing circles. A player who is afraid will contribute nothing in both situations. The opposite is also true, a player who both isn't afraid and actually got a clue will contribute regardless of whether he engages enemy in the middle or while doing circles.

Again, we've discussed this in detail in hundreds of nascar threads already. Given the nature of PUGs one simply can't rely on teammates to back one up, thus you should only rely on yourself and do whatever is necessary to maximize your contribution. If it means nascar, then nascar it is.

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

#1 Can people understand the beauty of tactical element in the battle or even care for that?

#2 Is PGI interested to encourage gameplay towards tactical or damage farming?

#2 is a NO. Because if it wasn't a NO, PGI wouldn't go out of their way to literally destroy units and every form of team-play over the years. And since #2 is a NO, people can clearly see that the developer caters to soloists and thus they answer NO to #1 as well.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 04:06 PM

Oh look, yet another pointless thread where people advertise that they're terrible at playing slow mechs and therefore blame every other player for them failing to keep up.

How many times do players need it explained to them that when you are being left behind, it's no one's fault but yours, considering that there's tater tots out there that can easily keep up in Annis, Sleipnirs, Dires, KGCs, the list goes on... You don't have to be a good player to not fall behind in a slow assault, you just need to understand MWO basics. All these threads do is advertise that a number of players fail to grasp how to even drive and insist on refusing to acknowledge it's their own fault or improve whatsoever.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 04:45 PM

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Also so many cheat and hack daily like all is ok and normall ... looks like PGI cares about quantity not quality .... as long as money flows in then all is good is that it? But that way so many good people are pushed away from the game , i wonder if the only ones spending money are the toxic players.


To a sufficiently bad player competent play appears to be cheating.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 05:27 PM

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Ok , all opinions are to be respected. The thing is not all agrree with everybody, some can see some cannot that the game has all the potential for a tactical - strategic gameplay might even say it is made for that , the problem lies within the answer of the following two questions.

#1 Can people understand the beauty of tactical element in the battle or even care for that?

That element disappears in solo que.

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

#2 Is PGI interested to encourage gameplay towards tactical or damage farming?

They made a game for others to enjoy, how you go about doing that is entirely your business. No one is being forced to play in a specific way nor should you expect others to play the game how you interpret it to be played as. That being said LRMs are bad, stop using them. <3

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Also i wonder if PGI even care about any of these .... so many so often just farm each other in synchro drops destroying the game experience for those who wanna play , have not seen anything done for that .

Have you tried not whining and trying to sync dropping with friends? The balance is hardly tipped. If you feel differently that it's cheating, you're welcome to report me as i do this frequently, and in stream, so you have your evidence too. Thus far i haven't so much as recieved a warning, so take that tid bit of info as you will.

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Also so many cheat and hack daily like all is ok and normall ... looks like PGI cares about quantity not quality .... as long as money flows in then all is good is that it? But that way so many good people are pushed away from the game , i wonder if the only ones spending money are the toxic players ...

You really need to loosen that tinfoil hat before you cut off the remaining oxygen to your brain.
Quantity? The game has the lowest populations to date. The money being made now is probably so minute, it wouldn't be worth mentioning. Good players pushed away but the hackers remain? Your logic bud just makes me cringe.

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Anyway there is a solution for every problem , make two different leaderbords or two different categories in the one existing now , also make two different game modes , one rewarding for the highest damage (like a team deathmatch), one rewarding for the win plus any tactical achievement like for example saviour kills or flanking e.t.c..
That way you seperate the players into two seperate pools that are homogeneit so everybody is happy.

IT'S ALREADY THERE! DO YOU EVEN JARL?!

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

I believe i just lost my good time because nothing will change , actually i just check to see if anything will , nothing change and i will not bother again .... something change and i will , because that will mean there is hope for making the game better .

You won't be missed.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 07:09 PM

New players shouldn't drive assault mechs.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 09:23 PM

View PostAirShaman2, on 24 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Also so many cheat and hack daily like all is ok and normall ...



What hard numbers regarding cheaters do you have, please?

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 11:04 PM

View PostKodyn, on 24 March 2020 - 04:06 PM, said:

Oh look, yet another pointless thread where people advertise that they're terrible at playing slow mechs and therefore blame every other player for them failing to keep up.

How many times do players need it explained to them that when you are being left behind, it's no one's fault but yours, considering that there's tater tots out there that can easily keep up in Annis, Sleipnirs, Dires, KGCs, the list goes on... You don't have to be a good player to not fall behind in a slow assault, you just need to understand MWO basics. All these threads do is advertise that a number of players fail to grasp how to even drive and insist on refusing to acknowledge it's their own fault or improve whatsoever.

I'll reply to this post that accuses me of not knowing how to play a slower mech, even though there has been a few that mention this. I run a Linebacker [redacted], what makes you assume I run a slow mech. NASCAR is a CANCER of team spirit and support, with 104kph I could NASCAR with the best of them, I choose not to.

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 11:09 PM

View Postmartian, on 24 March 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:



What hard numbers regarding cheaters do you have, please?

So your saying MWO is cheat free?

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Posted 24 March 2020 - 11:13 PM

No, he implies that you most likely can't tell cheat from skillful play. Hence the demand for cold facts.
Also, careful with these ad hominems, they're bad conversation culture.

Edited by Aidan Crenshaw, 24 March 2020 - 11:14 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2020 - 11:25 PM

View PostCold Soul, on 24 March 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

So your saying MWO is cheat free?



If you could just post some hard numbers, statistics, screen captures or something similar, so people could see what you are basing your cheating accusations upon.

Surely this is not so difficult, is it?

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM

[Redacted].

Now I can't prove for a fact that you are elitist [Redatced], but I do sense your inner [Redacted] has control of what you speak and type. I maybe wrong, I am only human and make many mistakes but you kinda prove it for me.

I am 2nd in command of a unit NWRT we have 147 members, Northern Wraiths Recon & Tactical is just that. A mercenary unit specialising in Recon and Tactical. The Unit is comprised of a diverse and international group of pilots who enjoy and PRIORITISE the tactical aspects of the game over the damage based reward system.

We love MWO and even if my team is [Redacted] NASCARING badly, I simply make my own goals and enjoy each and every game, our discord is a joy that lets us laugh at ourselves, we believe in having fun, if your sick of being in a unit that wants you stand in position A and direct you fire only between 300 an 315 degrees and you get bagged if you don't, think about joining us and actually enjoy MWO. Have fun rise up the Tiers and then kick the asses of the ******** of those that once tormented you.

Sadly the only thing that annoyed me was the assumption I run a slow mech, you guys and girls cannot offend me, hurt me in any other way. feel free to attack my low skills, my intellect, my looks if you wish, you only amuse me, I look forward to many more laughs reading your replies.

Remember if unhappy in your current unit, think about joining us. Just remember we don't tolerate cheating in any form, otherwise come join our jolly lil team.

View Postmartian, on 24 March 2020 - 11:25 PM, said:



If you could just post some hard numbers, statistics, screen captures or something similar, so people could see what you are basing your cheating accusations upon.

Surely this is not so difficult, is it?



But you know of course it is, why be so coy?

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:24 AM

Well its that time again, dont play the mech of your choice and submit to global stupidity will be the answer. Sounds good? No? Then leave like the rest of us. There had been times when you could have avoid most of that stupidity but unfortunately GQ is dead. SQ has always been the place where you could litrally kill people by shooting them in the back several times without them knowing why they died.

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:30 AM

View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

[Redacted]

Your words.

View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

Now I can't prove for a fact that you are elitist [Redacted], but I do sense your inner [Redacted] has control of what you speak and type. I maybe wrong, I am only human and make many mistakes but you kinda prove it for me.

We all make mistakes, but not to learn from them, and then be insistent that you're right, even though you're wrong is more akin to a 5 year old that gets caught stealing a cookie, but blames it on his sibling instead.

View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

I am 2nd in command of a unit NWRT we have 147 members, Northern Wraiths Recon & Tactical is just that. A mercenary unit specialising in Recon and Tactical. The Unit is comprised of a diverse and international group of pilots who enjoy and PRIORITISE the tactical aspects of the game over the damage based reward system.
Cool story bro, and I was part of large international units as well. One thing they all shared and had in common was incredibly bad players, players that insisted that others are cheating when they get outplayed and really don't want to get better at the game. I'm sure your unit is no different, and hell, you might have like 10 people active now, but I definitely know a problem player when I see one.

View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

We love MWO and even if my team is [Redacted] NASCARING badly, I simply make my own goals and enjoy each and every game, our discord is a joy that lets us laugh at ourselves, we believe in having fun, if your sick of being in a unit that wants you stand in position A and direct you fire only between 300 an 315 degrees and you get bagged if you don't, think about joining us and actually enjoy MWO. Have fun rise up the Tiers and then kick the asses of the ******** of those that once tormented you.
Nice subtle recruiting post. I don't believe anyone wants to join your potato unit. Even if they were enticed by playing with other people, your garbage *** attitude would be an immediate turn off. I mean, you call people ********, but then you just enjoy the game? And then make this thread? Know what I like to do that I enjoy? Drinking bleach. It may burn and be poisonous but God damn does it clean out my system.

View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

Sadly the only thing that annoyed me was the assumption I run a slow mech, you guys and girls cannot offend me, hurt me in any other way. feel free to attack my low skills, my intellect, my looks if you wish, you only amuse me, I look forward to many more laughs reading your replies.

Usually the guy that has to assure us he's smart, not offended, and is having a laugh at this thread is probably some ugly toad that is actually offended...Which is the point of this thread. Or whatever.

View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

Remember if unhappy in your current unit, think about joining us. Just remember we don't tolerate cheating in any form, otherwise come join our jolly lil team.

"You can join my unit, but if you're better than me, you're cheating."
Nice selling point there, sport.


View PostCold Soul, on 25 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

But you know of course it is, why be so coy?

The burden of proof falls on you, you [Redacted]. Good god almighty...





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