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[thievingmagpi]

JediPanther, on 31 March 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

I build my lrms for max range due to how nascar goes. Depending on the speed of my lrm mech,position,movement of enemy etc it is easier to have the option to lrm long distance. I might be focusing on lrming an assault a teammate is in the middle of a brawl then notice another lock on a more damaged target and switch to it to eliminate that target then resume on the prior target. They might be at 500m or more out apart.

Most of my lrm mechs are self reliant with a few back up lasers. The only dedicated "pure" lrm mech I run which runs only lrms is my troll-ing cptl-a1 which does not have any lasers for back ups but I can easily put in a few srm/ssrm and ammo. Any lrm-er who runs only lrms deserves to be enemy punching bag in qp/fw. You get one slot for strikes or a uav so you might have that one strike. The funny part about the game is that pgi considers tag and ams with ammo a weapon.

For all the complaints about lrms no one ever complans that when they first get a mech it might very well have lrms on it stock and demands that pgi make all mechs with missiles be any missile but lrm stock. Don't like lrm don't use it. Don't like getting hit by lrm then use the many many counters of which there are 40 or more at last count as I made that thread which people listed all the counters to lrm in the game.

Oh, that's the secret to avoiding LRMs huh?

Okay, better pass that message on. There are good players with more kills in a single season than you probably do in your entire playing career that would love to hear from you about these secret lrm counter strats

[VonBruinwald]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 02:55 PM, said:

Oh, that's the secret to avoiding LRMs huh?

Okay, better pass that message on. There are good players with more kills in a single season than you probably do in your entire playing career that would love to hear from you about these secret lrm counter strats

The reason they want them is because they're all scared of the ATM VEagle and in dire need of some counters.

It's hard to be "good" when a try-hard build is trumping your stats.

[Brauer]

VonBruinwald, on 31 March 2020 - 02:42 PM, said:

He didn't say anything about extreme range. That's you projecting a worst case example on to his argument.

Remember the quid pro quo.

Lol. Go read the post I was responding to and then read my post in context. He was talking about extreme range.

Better yet, check out his response which discusses building lrm boats for Max range.

XD

[thievingmagpi]

VonBruinwald, on 31 March 2020 - 02:58 PM, said:

The reason they want them is because they're all scared of the ATM VEagle and in dire need of some counters.

It's hard to be "good" when a try-hard build is trumping your stats.

Nah, it's pretty clear when players are good.

[Brauer]

JediPanther, on 31 March 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

I build my lrms for max range due to how nascar goes. Depending on the speed of my lrm mech,position,movement of enemy etc it is easier to have the option to lrm long distance. I might be focusing on lrming an assault a teammate is in the middle of a brawl then notice another lock on a more damaged target and switch to it to eliminate that target then resume on the prior target. They might be at 500m or more out apart.

Most of my lrm mechs are self reliant with a few back up lasers. The only dedicated "pure" lrm mech I run which runs only lrms is my troll-ing cptl-a1 which does not have any lasers for back ups but I can easily put in a few srm/ssrm and ammo. Any lrm-er who runs only lrms deserves to be enemy punching bag in qp/fw. You get one slot for strikes or a uav so you might have that one strike. The funny part about the game is that pgi considers tag and ams with ammo a weapon.

For all the complaints about lrms no one ever complans that when they first get a mech it might very well have lrms on it stock and demands that pgi make all mechs with missiles be any missile but lrm stock. Don't like lrm don't use it. Don't like getting hit by lrm then use the many many counters of which there are 40 or more at last count as I made that thread which people listed all the counters to lrm in the game.

I know how to counter lrms....

Also, you are categorically wrong in some of your claims. Lrms are more effective closer and in direct fire, so building for extreme range is not ideal imo, but at least in there's some argument there. In FW, on the other hand you really don't need any backup weapons. They're best in FW when massed by a group and ideally with narc support. So just stick as many tubes and as much ammo on your lrm mech as possible and point and click. Most of the time you're worse off for having backup weapons in general too, so it's largely better to just add more tubes or ammo rather than putting much tonnage in backups.

FYI I don't like lrms, but I they don't particularly bother me in QP or FW. Heat I have a problem with is some members of the community who can't be bothered to do anything but sit out of LOS and fire off IDF lrms thinking this playstyle deserves a buff. It doesn't. It requires virtually no skill and carries no risk, as such it should be ineffective when compared to other playstyles which require skill and/or risk

[Tesunie]

MisterSomaru, on 30 March 2020 - 11:53 PM, said:

I purposely avoid pressing R for locks for people like you, so you expose and get your own.

Did I just hear you right? You intentionally go out of your way to hinder a teammate and fellow player because you disagree with the way they play the game?

Wait? What is the definition of griefing again?

Spoiler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
"Intentional friendly fire or deliberately performing actions detrimental to other team members' game performance."
"Deliberately blocking shots from a player's own team, or blocking a player's view by standing in front of them so they cannot damage the enemy"
https://www.ldoceonl...ionary/griefing
"the activity of deliberately annoying other players in a game played on the Internet, or doing things that spoil the game for them"
https://www.urbandic...p?term=griefing
"1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game."
"3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics."

To purposefully not get locks specifically to hinder a teammate or specific type of player is technically considered griefing. Now, I'm not saying to get and hold locks to your death, but get locks when you can through normal game play (and break them as you normally would via ducking into cover through normal game play). Getting locks helps yourself and your teammates in many ways.

I'm not disagreeing though that LRM users should attempt to get their own locks, but at the same time refusing to get locks because of them isn't exactly doing much either...

[thievingmagpi]

bringing lrms is griefing.

if you want to shoot the enemy, you can go and shoot them.

Edited by thievingmagpi, 31 March 2020 - 03:16 PM.

[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 03:16 PM, said:

bringing lrms is griefing.

if you want to shoot the enemy, you can go and shoot them.

It is a weapon in the game. I wont deny that some people may use them to grief, but the weapon itself is not griefing.

Your statement is on the same lines of, "oh, I don't like this style of game play, so I will call it griefing". Unless they are intentionally taking LRMs with the intent to cause detriment to other player's game play, then they are not griefing. They are merely playing an option of playing style permitted within the game itself.

[Brauer]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 03:16 PM, said:

bringing lrms is griefing.

if you want to shoot the enemy, you can go and shoot them.

Bringing lrms sure felt like griefing when I did it in FW a few days ago.

[thievingmagpi]

Tesunie, on 31 March 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

Unless they are intentionally taking LRMs with the intent to cause detriment to other player's game play,

Bingo.

Bringing lrms is griefing.

Tesunie, on 31 March 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

then they are not griefing. They are merely playing an option of playing style permitted within the game itself.

And I don't have to press R for some lazy chud who doesn't want to play the game.

[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 03:24 PM, said:

Bingo.

Bringing lrms is griefing.



And I don't have to press R for some lazy chud who doesn't want to play the game.

Okay then. Anyone who shoots at me is griefing... So lets remove all the weapons from the game because all of them are griefing...

[thievingmagpi]

Tesunie, on 31 March 2020 - 03:39 PM, said:

Okay then. Anyone who shoots at me is griefing... So lets remove all the weapons from the game because all of them are griefing...

shooting people is the opposite of griefing. it's how you play the game.

[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 03:39 PM, said:

shooting people is the opposite of griefing. it's how you play the game.

But yet... shooting people with LRMs is griefing? Working as a team is griefing? Helping teammates is griefing? This is basically what you stated with "taking LRMs is grieifing"...

[thievingmagpi]

Tesunie, on 31 March 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

But yet... shooting people with LRMs is griefing? Working as a team is griefing? Helping teammates is griefing? This is basically what you stated with "taking LRMs is grieifing"...

yep, taking lrms is griefing.

[Dora the Konqueror]

Then there's the little know 3rd class of lurmers.
Very few and far in between I'll call em "L33t Lurmer's".
I know one guy in particular kinda annoying but, he was a monster.
He killed 5 mechs in the match while screaming.
"If you don't know what to do just follow the lurm boat!"
Kinda irritating but a victory.
Can't remember the name it was No something.

[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

yep, taking lrms is griefing.

Working as a team is griefing, so stop communicating with each other.
Looking at your radar is griefing. So stop looking at that minimap to see where your friends and LOCKED ENEMIES are.
Playing any game play beyond what I enjoy is griefing, so stop sniping/brawling/LRMing/etc me to death so I can fight back.
Using Flamers to shut down mechs is griefing, because you make them unable to fight back.
Using MGs to crit out components leaving a mech weaponless and unable to fight back is griefing.
Getting inside a weapon's minimum range is griefing.
Playing "less than fully optimized mechs and builds" is griefing, because... whatever.
Not griefing is griefing, because someone somewhere says so...


Yup. All is as it should appear to be... Nope. No problems here, unless you use X. Then you are a problem. How dare you.

[thievingmagpi]

Tesunie, on 31 March 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

Working as a team is griefing, so stop communicating with each other.
Looking at your radar is griefing. So stop looking at that minimap to see where your friends and LOCKED ENEMIES are.
Playing any game play beyond what I enjoy is griefing, so stop sniping/brawling/LRMing/etc me to death so I can fight back.
Using Flamers to shut down mechs is griefing, because you make them unable to fight back.
Using MGs to crit out components leaving a mech weaponless and unable to fight back is griefing.
Getting inside a weapon's minimum range is griefing.
Playing "less than fully optimized mechs and builds" is griefing, because... whatever.
Not griefing is griefing, because someone somewhere says so...


Yup. All is as it should appear to be... Nope. No problems here, unless you use X. Then you are a problem. How dare you.

just shoot the enemy, easy. no griefing involved.

[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 04:06 PM, said:

just shoot the enemy, easy. no griefing involved.

What do you think LRMs (especially when used well) do? I do believe it is called "shooting the enemy"...

[thievingmagpi]

Tesunie, on 31 March 2020 - 04:18 PM, said:

What do you think LRMs (especially when used well) do? I do believe it is called "shooting the enemy"...

sure, go ahead and shoot them. I'm not holding locks for you.

[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 31 March 2020 - 04:22 PM, said:

sure, go ahead and shoot them. I'm not holding locks for you.

I appreciate locks when I can get them from others, but I never ask anyone to "hold locks for me even if you get killed for it". I actually, when I use LRMs, attempt to get my own locks when and where possible.

If you are playing "as you normally would" and getting locks "as you normally would/should", than breaking a lock because you have to get behind cover isn't griefing. Not getting a lock because it's only a passing momentary shot, not a problem nor griefing.

Intentionally never getting locks, breaking locks or other such nonsense just because you have an LRM member on your team IS griefing.

See? Big difference between what makes it griefing or not is the clear distinction behind why you do something.