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[FRAGTAST1C]

DAEDALOS513, on 10 May 2020 - 06:21 PM, said:

I agree with findings in his post.

I disagree with his and your post. So simple, isn't it?

[Swamp Ass MkII]

I took command tonight, and moved myslef out of whatever lance I didn't want to be in, and it worked... TY!

[Grumpy Old Man]

Okay, **** this queue merge. If I was not desperately trying to get the rewards for the current event, I would stop playing for the rest of the month at a minimum. As it is, the ******* game is unplayable. I had a good 90 minutes time to play today, I stopped after 3 matches. 3 stomps. When you lose 0:12, end up doing 311 damage and the second best player of your team reaches 223, damn me, that's some competetive magic right there. Well done, MM.

I am sorry, but I have reached the breaking point. I no longer give a **** about the Comp players. I no longer care if they have fun. I no longer care whether they get to play with their buddies. For all I care they can **** off to World of Tanks.

[Navid A1]

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- In relation to the above... Extremely good pilots are going to be dangerous, even if their max weight was reduced to 20 tons. I have seen what kind of carnage for example RWTumbleweed does at times in a Locuct and (in my personal opinion) he appears to be more dangerous driving that thing than in a Kodiak.

Bruh!.

I feel like your "example" is enough to invalidate everything you were trying to say.
You either do not know much about your "example"... or your idea of dangerous is something odd.

[Erebus01]

Grumpy Old Man, on 10 May 2020 - 09:37 PM, said:

Okay, **** this queue merge. If I was not desperately trying to get the rewards for the current event, I would stop playing for the rest of the month at a minimum. As it is, the ******* game is unplayable. I had a good 90 minutes time to play today, I stopped after 3 matches. 3 stomps. When you lose 0:12, end up doing 311 damage and the second best player of your team reaches 223, damn me, that's some competetive magic right there. Well done, MM.

I am sorry, but I have reached the breaking point. I no longer give a **** about the Comp players. I no longer care if they have fun. I no longer care whether they get to play with their buddies. For all I care they can **** off to World of Tanks.

Imagine being so uninformed that you blame comp players for something that a majority of comp players were firmly and vocally opposed to and believed was a incredibly bad idea. Seems like most of the Div A comp guys wanted to allow solo's to opt into group Q not to merge the Q's.

I'd let those comp players speak from themselves but it seems that most of them have had their posting rights [redacted] from these forums.

Enjoy your 3% games.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Erebus01, on 10 May 2020 - 10:25 PM, said:

Imagine being so uninformed that you blame comp players for something that a majority of comp players were firmly and vocally opposed to and believed was a incredibly bad idea. Seems like most of the Div A comp guys wanted to allow solo's to opt into group Q not to merge the Q's.

It does not matter what they opposed if they still do it. Do not pay attention to what people say, but what people do. "I am fully against this change, all it will lead to is clubbing seals!" *proceed to prove their point by clubbing everything they find*.

[Anomalocaris]

Grumpy Old Man, on 10 May 2020 - 10:37 PM, said:

It does not matter what they opposed if they still do it. Do not pay attention to what people say, but what people do. "I am fully against this change, all it will lead to is clubbing seals!" *proceed to prove their point by clubbing everything they find*.

You do understand that they're not really trying to club seals. All they're doing is playing together with their friends, the very same rationale that so many players gave as a reason we should merge the queues. And as the stomps and wins stack up they generally start playing derpier and derpier build combos to make things more challenging and entertaining. What would you have them do? They only have FW or Merge Queue now. FW games are not always what you want to play, for reasons we have discussed here and in other merge threads a number of times.

That they warned in advance what would happen is not an indication that they wanted this, simply that they understood (from many games in the old group queue for example) that it was a natural outcome of allowing 4 high skill players to drop against solos.

And with that I won't say anymore as a number of rather good players and a few not so good have "mysteriously" stopped posting in the forums after strongly arguing against the merge. I have nooooo idea what happened to them....

[Erebus01]

Grumpy Old Man, on 10 May 2020 - 10:37 PM, said:

It does not matter what they opposed if they still do it. Do not pay attention to what people say, but what people do. "I am fully against this change, all it will lead to is clubbing seals!" *proceed to prove their point by clubbing everything they find*.

So your argument is basically "players that are better than me shouldn't be able to play with their friends". Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

How about instead of blaming "ToSsIC TriHaRdS" for ruining your matches, you direct the blame at the developer that introduced this change and those lackeys that kept saying it was a great idea.

Also maybe spend a bit less time in the ATM vapor eagle, you might actually get better at the game rather then getting rekt by people who aren't afraid of ATM's, it also might mean you actually have some credibility.

[Navid A1]

Grumpy Old Man, on 10 May 2020 - 09:37 PM, said:

Okay, **** this queue merge. If I was not desperately trying to get the rewards for the current event, I would stop playing for the rest of the month at a minimum. As it is, the ******* game is unplayable. I had a good 90 minutes time to play today, I stopped after 3 matches. 3 stomps. When you lose 0:12, end up doing 311 damage and the second best player of your team reaches 223, damn me, that's some competetive magic right there. Well done, MM. I am sorry, but I have reached the breaking point. I no longer give a **** about the Comp players. I no longer care if they have fun. I no longer care whether they get to play with their buddies. For all I care they can **** off to World of Tanks.

good!

All those toxic "comp players" TOLD PGI what would happen.

you don't have to be a comp group to blow the solo q away.... any group of 4 players with a coordinated deck can roll the q frequently.

PGI did not listen, and I will do what ever I can to form 4 man groups and join 4 man groups to absolutely demolish the queue... stomp the q so brutally hard, to a point where PGI won't be able to justify the change with out of the blue numbers.... the stompier the match the better.

Some people need to hit a mountain to understand the err of their ways.

Edited by Navid A1, 11 May 2020 - 12:24 AM.

[Tranderas]

Navid A1, on 11 May 2020 - 12:23 AM, said:

good!

All those toxic "comp players" TOLD PGI what would happen.

you don't have to be a comp group to blow the solo q away.... any group of 4 players with a coordinated deck can roll the q frequently.

PGI did not listen, and I will do what ever I can to form 4 man groups and join 4 man groups to absolutely demolish the queue... stomp the q so brutally hard, to a point where PGI won't be able to justify the change with out of the blue numbers.... the stompier the match the better.

Some people need to hit a mountain to understand the err of their ways.

Relax, Navid. The game doesn't have the player base to support the split queue and hasn't since the "the game could go for three more years" AMA. It seems that people who were in favor of the change going into it feel that matches are less stompy and people who were opposed to it going in feel that it's more stompy. There's pretty heavy confirmation bias from both sides.

Me? I'm happy PGI finally decided to change something. Since they're not adding content and they bizarrely refuse to market the game, they needed to switch course to keep matches firing. Offering an opt-out would just lead to what we had before- groups dropping with groups, solos dropping solo, and groups waiting for an hour for matches to fire. Though I would prefer Russ step off his MuH lOrE pedestal for a second and make groups 3 max, this still shows they actually want the game to fire, at least in the short term.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Tranderas, on 11 May 2020 - 01:26 AM, said:

Me? I'm happy PGI finally decided to change something. Since they're not adding content and they bizarrely refuse to market the game, they needed to switch course to keep matches firing. Offering an opt-out would just lead to what we had before- groups dropping with groups, solos dropping solo, and groups waiting for an hour for matches to fire. Though I would prefer Russ step off his MuH lOrE pedestal for a second and make groups 3 max, this still shows they actually want the game to fire, at least in the short term.

Maybe people need to ask the more obvious question. "Why was the garbage MM made completely worse by not checking for anything except for 12-vs-12 teams?"

[Kroete]

Grumpy Old Man, on 10 May 2020 - 10:37 PM, said:

It does not matter what they opposed if they still do it. Do not pay attention to what people say, but what people do. "I am fully against this change, all it will lead to is clubbing seals!" *proceed to prove their point by clubbing everything they find*.

If you dont want to play against groups, dont play in the moment.
If you still play, you show the devs thats ok what they have done,
they dont hear you crying, they just see the numbers.

It seems lots of players have the Stockholm Syndrome, bitching about dlcs but buying them, dont like p2w but buying items with advantages, dont like to pay for maps or horsearmors but still buying them.

If you dont like something, dont buy and do it!
Sollte eigentlich nicht so schwierig zu verstehen sein, könnte man meinen ...

Edited by Kroete, 11 May 2020 - 03:31 AM.

[Anomalocaris]

Tranderas, on 11 May 2020 - 01:26 AM, said:

Relax, Navid. The game doesn't have the player base to support the split queue and hasn't since the "the game could go for three more years" AMA. It seems that people who were in favor of the change going into it feel that matches are less stompy and people who were opposed to it going in feel that it's more stompy. There's pretty heavy confirmation bias from both sides.

Yeah, except for that twitter post by Russ saying that stomps were up 5% and the complete refusal to share any more data on match quality. If matches were actually more competitive as they claimed when this started, I guarantee they'd be posting lots of data about it. Instead we get hand waving about balancing tonnage and PSR vs. wait time, none of which have anything to do with match quality.

TBH, a lot of the positive comments about subjective match quality are coming from folks whose knowledge of the game is still a little, shall we say, undercooked?

[Magic Pain Glove]

Tranderas, on 11 May 2020 - 01:26 AM, said:

It seems that people who were in favor of the change going into it feel that matches are less stompy and people who were opposed to it going in feel that it's more stompy. There's pretty heavy confirmation bias from both sides.

There is no bias . Matches are more stompy backed by: past experience ,current experience , screenshots, W/L ratios , multiple different twitch vod's and common sense . Even Bollock's flawed data , confirms the increase in stomps.

I just had a 4-5 hour session of back to back stomps with my group . Not losing a single time and only one of the matches being somewhat contested . PGI cant even check this because they cant differentiate solo/ grouped WLR .

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Me? I'm happy PGI finally decided to change something.

They might as well add Long Tom back to faction play . And we'll say . "Yay , we'r happy , they are changing something and working on the game!" .

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Offering an opt-out would just lead to what we had before

Your account which you are using for posting has been retired for quite a while . I however was dropping during the 8v8 queue test time and had experienced minimal downtime . Without any solos added in . Solo's would only be needed to fill up the uneven groups so you wouldn't even need 30% of the population to opt in . Whats hypocritical is that they forced this change onto everyone while claiming its for the better but if that's the case wouldn't the same players choose to opt in the first place by themselves .Strange...

Why not go with that first ?

No, this is a sacrifice on the altar of laziness.They no longer want to bother tweaking with stuff so you might as well merge everything together, just in case .
They implemented something which only people with extremely short foresight demanded and the consequences are easily observable and easily predictable right from the get go . Without even putting the effort in to mitigate the merge with better group / solo player metric (within the confines of the tier system along with a reset) in order to create somewhat more even teams.

[Nearly Dead]

All I can say is that for me, a fairly new solo player, the game is a lot less fun than it was in Dec, Jan, and Feb. While I may continue to spend C-Bills I do not expect to renew my premium time and if I need to skill up a new mech I will not buy any more 100 GSP packs to speed up the process. I guess I will do like everyone else and die, add a skill point, die, add a skill point.

Fix the PSR. My suggestions are all over the forums.

Give solo players a "No, I think I would rather not be clubbed" opt out button. Yes, I know this is two queues which they say the game can't support. But if people are willing to wait for a fair, fun match; maybe this whole combine the queues thing was not the answer they thought it was.

No premade drops until there is an opposing premade. 12 solo players against a team with an elite 4 man = 12 moles attacking a roto-tiller. Once in a while a mole bites the spark plug wire, but mostly it is just mole bits everywhere.

Or just put it out of it's misery if there are so few of us that the game population has become a box or starving rats.

[GaelicWolf]

Nearly Dead, on 11 May 2020 - 05:48 AM, said:

No premade drops until there is an opposing premade. 12 solo players against a team with an elite 4 man = 12 moles attacking a roto-tiller. Once in a while a mole bites the spark plug wire, but mostly it is just mole bits everywhere.

Funniest thing I have read this morning.....almost made me spit my drink out on the screen.

[DAEDALOS513]

Anomalocaris, on 11 May 2020 - 04:17 AM, said:

TBH, a lot of the positive comments about subjective match quality are coming from folks whose knowledge of the game is still a little, shall we say, undercooked?

Then you're discrediting all the criticism's coming from the so called 'undercooked' that hate the change too.. so the only opinions that matter are the 1% (and yours ofcourse)..?

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 11 May 2020 - 07:35 AM.

[Meo Z Magraken]

I personally have enjoyed the group matchmaking (though I fully think tweaks are needed).

People are complaining about stomps and I will admit I have seen more stomps. But when I get stomped the similarities between the team stomping me vs. the similarities of my team are pretty shallow.

When I get stomped I look at the game and notice a few glaring things:
-my team largely isn't talking
-isn't focusing fire
-isn't working together
-often is very passive except on the below...
-often has an Atlas or Dire Wolf chasing a light mech

In short most stomps I am on the wrong side of I cannot really say the problem was the other team. Do groups make that more common? Sure cause there's a chance that at least 4 people on the other team and possibly some smart enough to listen are working together but I've also managed to make that happen despite the fact I suck and the guys I'm grouping with mostly suck worse.

And the groups que has created new players. I can say this because I have brought over around 10 people from World of Tanks on my own which I couldn't before. Sure I could tell some Tankers there is this new game and it's basically leggy tanks and they'd hop on for a night but they would always be rubbed wrong by the fact that we weren't grouped. We were synch dropping and crossing our fingers to be in the same game and team. Not being able to guide your friend through and play with them (without waiting long enough to play a League of Legends game) pretty much eliminated most online games main appeal, playing with existing friends, making new ones that you could then also play with.

So going back to a solo/group q seems a bad idea. And I imagine the devs have noticed numbers being down because well I have, more and more of my games were becoming the same people. When I drop in on World of Tanks I won't see familiar faces in every game, in MWO I was. I would know at least 3-4 people on both teams (for good or bad reasons) so there wasn't a very large player base playing. And if that is the case anyone screeching for the "good old days" isn't really thinking about game health.

So change is needed. Is the current iteration flawless or the best solution nope. But some of the anti mixed q suggestions are not really productive either.

[Horseman]

Grumpy Old Man, on 10 May 2020 - 10:37 PM, said:

It does not matter what they opposed if they still do it. Do not pay attention to what people say, but what people do. "I am fully against this change, all it will lead to is clubbing seals!" *proceed to prove their point by clubbing everything they find*.

What do you propose?
That they play worse on purpose?
That they don't play with their friends?
That they stop playing?
Reality check: PGI took away the group queue and threw casuals and solos to the groups in the merged queue as bloody cannon fodder. You want to complain at someone, complain at PGI.

Nearly Dead, on 11 May 2020 - 05:48 AM, said:

All I can say is that for me, a fairly new solo player, the game is a lot less fun than it was in Dec, Jan, and Feb. While I may continue to spend C-Bills I do not expect to renew my premium time and if I need to skill up a new mech I will not buy any more 100 GSP packs to speed up the process. I guess I will do like everyone else and die, add a skill point, die, add a skill point.

You can play Solaris - a new season should be going up in just over a week, you get rewards for every division you completed 25 matches in (counting 1v1 and 2v2 queues as separate divisions). The end of season rewards can easily net you a few hundred thousand GXP every three months.

[FRAGTAST1C]

DAEDALOS513, on 11 May 2020 - 07:30 AM, said:

Then you're discrediting all the criticism's coming from the so called 'undercooked' that hate the change too.. so the only opinions that matter are the 1% (and yours ofcourse)..?

Actually, the people criticising this change aren't the "undercooked" 'cause they're making sense. In fact, they're making more sense than the developers of this game. So, the only opinions that matter are those that are objective and not subjective.