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[XDevilsChariotX]

Daeron Katz, on 16 November 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

In this thread, lets discuss ideas for updating or adding to our current mechs and how they work in MechWarrior Online, such as:

• New 'Mech Variants
  
• Rescale 'Mechs (for fun and role vs volumetric)
  
• Fix Mech Mobility (Desync)
  
• Weapon Balance Pass

I def would like to see the mech packs start up again

The rescale is something I would also like to see. Biggest thing for me about the rescale would be for the Assaults, so do them first. Assaults need some love with either some armor buffs and mobilty. Assualts don't even feel like an assault in this game anymore. Please make Assaults great and scary again.

I think weapon balance can be left off the table for now until most of all this stuff is implemented. Yeah some stuff might over perform for a little bit but I think we can live with that so more things get implemented first.

Edited by XDevilsChariotX, 17 November 2020 - 01:24 PM.

[Lieutenant Hedgehog]

Taifune, on 17 November 2020 - 12:05 PM, said:

Stone Rhino (Behemoth)

YES, an OG mech

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Actually weapons don't need much...
* heavy lasers are a bit too hot

Heavy lasers are SO hot, nearly unusable, kind of a bummer

[thievingmagpi]

hardenum, on 17 November 2020 - 08:19 AM, said:

IS XL is just a meme, dont tell me you actually use them

IS XL is fine in many mechs if you are capable of not throwing your mech away

[thievingmagpi]

Alreech, on 17 November 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

1.) New Mech Variants: make Faction Mech Variants players can only unlock by reaching certain faction ranks. Example: Grand Dragon for Kurita = Energy Hardpoint right arm and PPC Quirks

No thanks. Locking mechs behind game modes punishes players, and it also encourages people trying to grind the mechs to throw matches like they do during events. There is more than enough grind in this game.

Alreech, on 17 November 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

2.) Quirks are a problem connected to the skill nodes. Even low quirks can become powerfull if boosted with the right skilling. IMHO fixing the quirks would need to remove the additional buffing by skill nodes

Quirks are fine and a good idea to make more mechs fun, unique and interesting. More need to be added, and only a very select few need to be removed.

Alreech, on 17 November 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

3.) Other suggestion: flipping arms for that Mechs: Arms flip to the rear (needs a new input key), a target window like in advanced Zoom is used. If that is not possible more armor is fine too.

No thanks.

A lot of players can't even hit what's in front of them.

Mechs don't need more armour either.

Alreech, on 17 November 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

4.) Weapon balanced can't work if you can replace a SRM 2 with a MRM 40 and replace the 6 Medium Lasers in a Battlemaster with Large Lasers... this can't be fixed without touching the unrestriced Mechlab.

SRM2 weighs 1 ton and takes up 1 slot.

MRM40 weighs 12 and takes up 7 slots.

Seems to balance out to me.

Alreech, on 17 November 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

5.) IS XL Engines should follow the same rules as clan XL Engine.

No thanks.

IS XL having a higher skill ceiling is how you create interesting and varied mech and gameplay choices. This game needs less samey BS.

Edited by thievingmagpi, 17 November 2020 - 01:47 PM.

[Horseman]

thievingmagpi, on 17 November 2020 - 01:46 PM, said:

No thanks. Locking mechs behind game modes punishes players, and it also encourages people trying to grind the mechs to throw matches like they do during events. There is more than enough grind in this game.

Agreed. Having special (FACTION) versions of standard variants would be fair game, though.

[PraetorGix]

FIREMOTH

And after that IS Omnis. But Firemoth first. Really.

[East Indy]

Rescale 'Mechs (for fun and role vs volumetric)
Don't get bogged down in a comprehensive sweep. Do what's easiest for you and most desirable for players — get the 'Mechs people have been complaining about for years. Most of the 35-tonners, some extremely tall or wide chassis. That's it.

Fix Mech Mobility (Desync)
For me, the disappointment of desync wasn't lowering the value of large engines. It was that no bold positive choices were made. How cool would it be if Victors, Gargoyles, Executioners and other big-but-fast 'Mechs had movement profiles like mediums? All of them need help still, and a solution outside of quirks would be interesting. Desync was really no more than adding a gap to be filled by Skill Tree. Boring!

Quirks / Set of 8's for Under Performers
Similar to rescale: don't overthink. You already have the values for many 'Mechs from the 2016-era gigaquirks. Give them a once-over and see if any will break in today's design, then drop them in! For the rest, do it in waves. Ask the community broad questions:

• When a player looks at this 'Mech or variant and expects it to compete, what do they expect it to be?
  
• How do geometry, hardpoint number/location, or other qualities fall short of this expectation? (And by how much?)
  
• What crazy, bold changes will make this 'Mech appear in matches all over as soon as patch hits?

Weapon Balance Pass
Balance is in the best place it's been since 2012. Only a few weapons are disfavored. Do quirks first. 'Mech variety is much more important to your business model. Remember, in this game for better or worse, when something is good it's gonna be boated, and boating eliminates choices. If PPCs or large pulse lasers are incredible on this 'Mech or that 'Mech, players have been cool with it.

[Seth Kalasa]

hardenum, on 17 November 2020 - 08:19 AM, said:

IS XL is just a meme, dont tell me you actually use them

How dare you even think that Trueborn warrior uses IS junk !?

[Seth Kalasa]

As per quirks- the more of the is better, but reducing the set size to 4 is essential. Almost all Clan Omnimechs are viable only with alternate parts...as a result we loose an available quirks almost immediately after entering the mechlab...
For example let’s look on Summoner Prime. What kind of pervert will use this mech with the slots “as it is”. Nobody (ok, almost)....

[D U N E]

Seth Kalasa, on 17 November 2020 - 04:44 PM, said:

As per quirks- the more of the is better, but reducing the set size to 4 is essential. Almost all Clan Omnimechs are viable only with alternate parts...as a result we loose an available quirks almost immediately after entering the mechlab...
For example let’s look on Summoner Prime. What kind of pervert will use this mech with the slots “as it is”. Nobody (ok, almost)....

Reducing the set size to 4 - Hrmmmm... Rarely ever need to change the legs/head, CT can't be changed. That's 4/8 components - at that point just make it a generic quirk. Or make it a 6/8 thing. The best answer I think is just properly buff all the mechs to have interesting configs even if they are hardpoint starved, and go from there.

[Heketon]

Desired Mech: Stone Rhino
Fantasy Mech: The Superheavy class Omega

Impossible Hardpoint Change: Similar to MW5, make the hardpoints relate to the original size of the weapon. Instead of blocking a large laser in a medium laser hardpoint, damage the hardpoint when the large laser is fired by something like .01 points. Makes one rethink boating PPCs without heat modifiers. Can you imagine a Gauss rifle falling off because it replaced a machine gun?

Why impossible? Lots and lots of more coding to add to the game.

[BarHaid]

Four pages and only one mention of the Grand Dragon? Shame...

Yes to more variants, yes to the complete 3025 roster, yes to a general rescale. I'm up for community driven mechs as long as we also get the Wolfman! I'm a low-tech grognard, and would love some more Periphery frankenmechs.

[Forgeling]

New mech variants I'd love to see:
Nova with a fistfull of machine guns. (dare I say two fists full?)
Piranha with 16 weapon hard points and no AMS (to balance this could have two each in the arms and center torso and 5 in each side torso)
ShadowCat (please make the ERPPC come out of the front of both arms again. In fact many weapon placements are a bit silly)
More generally make number of Jump Jets listed on a mech's specs like is done for ECM. Sometimes it'd be nice to have that info instead of just the max height.

Edited by Forgeling, 17 November 2020 - 11:51 PM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Hired a Good animation Artist for the Mechs , the Dancing Daishi and many other running animations looking more like MWLL as for a modern Game.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 18 November 2020 - 03:14 AM.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

50 50, on 16 November 2020 - 08:41 PM, said:

Personally I think Quad mechs would be the most interesting and surprising to add to the mix.

• Quads
  
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[Betrax]

can you give the MADDOG a 360 degree torso would be very cool XD

[Betrax]

can you give the THOR-Prime instead of 1* 15LRM
3*5LRM artimis
is better to play and more tonage free ty

[LordNothing]

i think xl is omnis are fine so long as they have good mobility quirks.

[Horseman]

Betrax, on 18 November 2020 - 04:23 AM, said:

can you give the THOR-Prime instead of 1* 15LRM
3*5LRM artimis
is better to play and more tonage free ty

1. Your math is wrong. A C-LRM15 is 3.5 tons, C-ALRM5s are 2 tons each (6 tons for 3).
2. Let's not go around messing with stock mech loadouts

Edited by Horseman, 18 November 2020 - 07:50 AM.

[Belorion]

I would love a Crusader.