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If I get 2 kills and 380 damage (we lost 4 to 12 kills), I shouldn't be losing psr at tier 3. I wouldn't mind if rank 5 has no issues finding matches, but it is troubling.

[Elizander]

I just know at T4 it's harder for me to find matches on my Assault mechs sometimes when the Assault queue is 40%.

Damage isn't everything though. I've had matches where I racked up protected medium + lance in formation and did like less than 100 damage and still got PSR+

I have gone down in PSR with 2 kills/KMDD/Solo Kills (only 200 damage done because one was a light that instantly got deleted and the other was shot in the back CT).

I have broken even with 500-600 damage done.

Edited by Elizander, 07 December 2020 - 12:18 AM.

[account redo v1]

I'm clawing my way back up to the F in pilot info.

[crazytimes]

Post pictures of scorecard, or don't bother with these threads.

PSR is relative, your performance on it's own means nothing.

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crazytimes, on 07 December 2020 - 12:36 AM, said:

Post pictures of scorecard, or don't bother with these threads.

PSR is relative, your performance on it's own means nothing.

That's not particularly nice. I'm merely bringing attention to an issue. And griping. It's stress relieving.

I figured I might get a response like this. It didn't occur to me to take a screenshot until after the match. But here's my current rank for the purpose of just posting a picture:


Not quite the same, but this is disheartening:

Edited by account redo v1, 07 December 2020 - 01:22 AM.

[LordNothing]

i find my psr movement has a lot to do with what mechs im running, more so than anything that happens in match. like i had a steady climb about a third of the way into t2 with an almost stock nova cat (the one with the +1 hsl quirk for hlls). but then ran a couple light mechs (a stealthpulse grinner and a hll+srm cougar prime) and got back down to a sliver. i did recently run a dual snub katana kat, and it did well for a light but still trended towards losing psr, and an erml crab that about broke even. i could probibly get to t1 if i ran only meta, but there are a lot of other mechs in the game and id get bored if i did that.

its a really strong case for mech rebalance.

[East Indy]

Less than 400 damage in an assault from a one-sided loss won't net a very high score to begin with, and as other said, because the PSR is relative, you're more than likely to drop in this situation. Regarding screenshots: the team matchscore page will tell the story.

That said, Tier is not a journey or badge of honor (it was, and I suppose PGI is paying for those years of mischaracterization and ineffective design). But the point is to put you in appropriate matches. Looking at your record for September and October, Tier 3 looks like an appropriate assignment, since your W/L is about even and your matchscores are average for the player population. Losing as often as you win is, again, normal.

Just have fun!

[RickySpanish]

You do need to perform well to gain PSR on a loss, which is going to be difficult since by definition, the entire team probably underperformed. Don't stress over it too much, keep doing what you are doing and you'll naturally improve at the game and start edging upward.

[Tarl Cabot]

https://mwomercs.com...ity-version-10/

As Lockheed_ noted, your PSR movement is based on how you did vs the other 23 players. Winning provides a small multiplier but winning is no guarantee on upward movement.

Tiers should be renamed using Battletech/Mechwarrior naming convention used for both pilots and units.

Elite Tier 1
Veteran Tier 2
Regular Tier 3
Militia Tier 4
Green Tier 5

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If I get 2 kills and 380

380 dmg = around 171 MS. MS from damage alone is calculated to around 0.4x% of that damage, and team damage reduces that amount/MS. Enough team damage could wipe out all of your Matchscore points.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 07 December 2020 - 07:04 AM.

[account redo v1]

I think I'll suggest (in the feature suggestion forum) that Tier be used as one of two metrics to determine match pooling and the other being how much time you have been in matches. If you have been in maybe 100 hours worth of matches (just throwing out a number), you are treated as tier 3 if your tier is lower than 3 for the purpose of matchmaking.

Edited by account redo v1, 07 December 2020 - 06:39 PM.

[RickySpanish]

account redo v1, on 07 December 2020 - 06:26 PM, said:

I think I'll suggest (in the feature suggestion forum) that Tier be used as one of two metrics to determine match pooling and the other being how much time you have been in matches. If you have been in maybe 100 hours worth of matches (just throwing out a number), you are treated as tier 3 if your tier is lower than 3 for the purpose of matchmaking.

Which brings us back to how PSR was treated before the change - as an xp bar. There's a hefty difference between t3 and t1 matches, to say nothing of boosting t5/4 into t3.

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RickySpanish, on 07 December 2020 - 07:36 PM, said:

Which brings us back to how PSR was treated before the change - as an xp bar. There's a hefty difference between t3 and t1 matches, to say nothing of boosting t5/4 into t3.

If a match these days takes about 6 minutes on average, that's 1000 matches. You should be at least reasonably capable by that point. It would be an XP bar up to a point, tier 3. The most important part here is that you wouldn't have to wait for extended periods of time to get into a match if you're tier 5.

Edited by account redo v1, 07 December 2020 - 07:52 PM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I have seen people sitting at 180 avgMS after 15k games, so no, match count or time does not correlate to capability. Anyway, with the current system, being reasonably capable should get you to T3 no problem. The full range of one tier is 1000 PSR, which can be accumulated in as few as 40 matches (theoretically) if you always score top.

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Aidan Crenshaw, on 07 December 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

I have seen people sitting at 180 avgMS after 15k games, so no, match count or time does not correlate to capability. Anyway, with the current system, being reasonably capable should get you to T3 no problem. The full range of one tier is 1000 PSR, which can be accumulated in as few as 40 matches (theoretically) if you always score top.

I wouldn't mind if I didn't have to wait longer for a match at lower tiers. I'm actually close-ish to not caring... but still a bit...

[crazytimes]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 07 December 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

I have seen people sitting at 180 avgMS after 15k games, so no, match count or time does not correlate to capability. Anyway, with the current system, being reasonably capable should get you to T3 no problem. The full range of one tier is 1000 PSR, which can be accumulated in as few as 40 matches (theoretically) if you always score top.

There's no upper cap on PSR increase. An exceptional game can give more than 25 points. I believe the example of a good +1000dmg game with a few kickers is around +32.

It's how I ended up there. For every few average match I have grinding mechs, I play a good mech and offset any downs. If that good mech end up matched with cadets, then the scoring potential is very high even for average players like me.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I know, I'm in the same spot. I just wanted to highlight how fast PSR can evolve.

[Knight Captain Morgan]

PGI could move some MC by selling tier placements to pilots who don’t feel their psr/tier level is correct. Say the same cost as a name change, people could change their tier level.

Edited by Knight Captain Morgan, 08 December 2020 - 08:00 AM.

[ShiverMeRivets]

PSR increase is just a matter of out damaging your team mates.

To maximize damage and PSR gain you want to use splatter weapons - mostly missiles and RACs. You also should not die early, so leave the initiative to others and never lead a charge. If your team mate leads the charge you gain twice: once when he spends armor so you could do damage, and second when he dies early and you out-damage him. PSR gain is relative match score you see.

The best are pop tarting LRM/ATM mechs (Veagle, Huntsman). Some 3RAC2 mechs are good too (Bushwacker, Maraduder). Anything with 2cUAC10+2cUAC5 and not taking too many chances with them. On IS side, dual big MRM lauchers are good.

Edited by ShiverMeRivets, 08 December 2020 - 11:07 AM.

[GARION26]

I think the question though is why would you want to game the PSR/Matchscore system to artificially increase your PSR

The opponents get better - and your win loss ratio goes down as you go up - particularly if you are artificially trying to get more increases then your actual skill deserves.

While I don't have to win to have fun - I'm not sure I'm interested in artificially trying to get more then my fair share of losses.
I get it for some people they don't want to play in Tier 5 (or 4, or 3 or whatever) because maybe they prefer the game play more at higher tiers, and maybe for others they just want that shiny Tier 1 on their mechbay screen.

But I'd rather not be the least skilled player in my match particularly if I have to play mechs and weapons I don't want to play to get there. It seems better to play the way you want to and settle into a tier that makes sense given your skill set / preferred meta vs non meta mech ratio/playstyle. You'll probably be playing more players that approach the game like you do.

Edited by GARION26, 08 December 2020 - 11:45 AM.

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GARION26, on 08 December 2020 - 11:44 AM, said:

I think the question though is why would you want to game the PSR/Matchscore system to artificially increase your PSR

The opponents get better - and your win loss ratio goes down as you go up - particularly if you are artificially trying to get more increases then your actual skill deserves.

While I don't have to win to have fun - I'm not sure I'm interested in artificially trying to get more then my fair share of losses.
I get it for some people they don't want to play in Tier 5 (or 4, or 3 or whatever) because maybe they prefer the game play more at higher tiers, and maybe for others they just want that shiny Tier 1 on their mechbay screen.

But I'd rather not be the least skilled player in my match particularly if I have to play mechs and weapons I don't want to play to get there. It seems better to play the way you want to and settle into a tier that makes sense given your skill set / preferred meta vs non meta mech ratio/playstyle. You'll probably be playing more players that approach the game like you do.

Actually, all I care about is the time for waiting to join a match. My actual tier number doesn't matter to me. If tier 5 joined matches faster, I probably wouldn't mind being tier 5 at all.