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[D V Devnull]

Alreech, on 02 December 2021 - 10:10 AM, said:

So you know the license agreement between PGI & CryTek?

Or do you just guess from the CryTek/Cloud Imperium Games lawsuit?

I knew nothing about that lawsuit prior to someone else mentioning it.

As for knowledge about PGI & CryTek's License Agreement standing, that information was something I picked up on third-hand through other people on these Forums who have good reputations. I think we can safely assume the knowledge to be good, and can therefore safely operate based on it. The only people who could refute it are PGI & CryTek themselves, but neither has stepped forward, which pretty much cements what I've ended up learning. Unfortunately for those at CryTek right now, it's rather destructive for them that they want to keep a company's game hostage to their Game Engine upon initial development and use.

EDIT :: By the way, a search of MWO (https://mwomercs.com/search?q=crytek) reveals flat confirmation of what I'm stating anyway. Can't really beat that.

~D. V. "That lawsuit has zero to do with where my knowledge was acquired, which is other people with good reputation." Devnull

Edited by D V Devnull, 02 December 2021 - 10:53 AM.

[Pax Bellum]

Love the road map. The "definite maybes" are enticing. I would like to add that now that they-who- must-not-be-named have been defeated by sanity could one of those "definite maybes" be a much pined for Clan assault 'mech (STONE RHINO) (was that too subtle?).....

[Far Reach]

Glad my internet is out. Silly me expecting actual development
and not years of maybe's and possibles, mixed with endless balance changes.
I've run out of patience. Enjoy the palliative MWO.

[Darryn Merced]

I haven't seen any announcements, are there any of those 'Solution to Faction Play' and 'Solution to Solaris' actions completed or at least progressed?

[Alreech]

D V Devnull, on 02 December 2021 - 10:45 AM, said:

I knew nothing about that lawsuit prior to someone else mentioning it.

As for knowledge about PGI & CryTek's License Agreement standing, that information was something I picked up on third-hand through other people on these Forums who have good reputations. I think we can safely assume the knowledge to be good, and can therefore safely operate based on it. The only people who could refute it are PGI & CryTek themselves, but neither has stepped forward, which pretty much cements what I've ended up learning.

I picked up information that the moon landings were faked by Stanley Kubrick, and the people who have told me have good reputations in the flat earth forums.
The only person who could refute it is Stanley Kubrick, but he hasn't so that pretty much cements what I've ended up learning.

CryTeks license to Cloud Imperium Games and the whole lawsuite is public, just read it instead trusting some guys from an internet forum.
Normaly such licenses are confidential, so it's an interesting read.

[D V Devnull]

Alreech, on 16 December 2021 - 02:29 PM, said:

CryTeks license to Cloud Imperium Games and the whole lawsuite is public, just read it instead trusting some guys from an internet forum.
Normaly such licenses are confidential, so it's an interesting read.

And you couldn't at least be nice and provide a Link to the Lawsuit that you're talking about?

(And that one doesn't speak for the fact that it appears you totally ignored my link to the site-wide search...)

~D. V. "What... No Link to the Lawsuit Article? Not everyone is an internet wizard!!!" Devnull

[Bull Buchanan]

D V Devnull, on 01 December 2021 - 04:39 PM, said:

With that said, there is one warning... Not everyone can handle that change in Game Engine on their computers. Some of us are stuck on old systems and unable to upgrade due to the economy in the country where we live making it near-impossible to have any spare IRL $$$ for anything at all, including what little our human bodies must have to survive offline. Doing a change of Game Engine would likely drive a lot of people away from MWO forever simply because we would not be able to afford handling the effects of such a change. Some of us are therefore more than willing to accept not having perfectly epic graphics to view while playing MWO because our computers can not handle them, and because it means a lot more people are able to get into playing MWO as well. Maybe superior graphics are not always the reason that someone plays a particular game? And maybe that should not always be the defining reason that someone starts playing something new? Perhaps gameplay should be considered far more important?


~D. V. "PGI can not legally do in MWO those 2021 graphics you desire... They would also kill player base size too..." Devnull

Given how poorly this game is optimized, I would wager that a game on a modern engine would look twice as good at 1/3 the HW requirements at a minimum. My processor is a 4690k that is 7 years old but came out a year after this game and it struggles with this game at decent settings. Meanwhile, I can run Red Dead Redemption 2, Horizon Zero Dawn, modern AC titles Ghost Recon Breakpoint, etc. at high setting without issue.

Now, just because a new engine may enable them to have a better optimized product certainly doesn't mean it would be. Game optimization is developmentally expensive and difficult, but at least it would give you a fighting chance.

[D V Devnull]

Bull Buchanan, on 26 December 2021 - 07:07 PM, said:

Given how poorly this game is optimized, I would wager that a game on a modern engine would look twice as good at 1/3 the HW requirements at a minimum. My processor is a 4690k that is 7 years old but came out a year after this game and it struggles with this game at decent settings. Meanwhile, I can run Red Dead Redemption 2, Horizon Zero Dawn, modern AC titles Ghost Recon Breakpoint, etc. at high setting without issue.

Now, just because a new engine may enable them to have a better optimized product certainly doesn't mean it would be. Game optimization is developmentally expensive and difficult, but at least it would give you a fighting chance.

Hello, Bull (no pun intended, seriously)... While I am very glad to have New Mech Pilots around here, it so happens that I get to piledrive you with two simple things. The first is one word...

UNLIKELY

...and the second is a link to some of PGI's other work and the System Requirements for it...

>> https://mw5mercs.com/faq#question-4-1 <<

...because that work by PGI is my benchmark & barometer for any likely future outcomes to MWO from switching what Game Engine is being used. Basically, the total number of people who could run MWO after that change would more than likely decrease, because even if things got to looking better, the requirements for hardware would significantly increase. We still do not want to kill MWO that way. Admittedly though, I would probably enjoy seeing PGI prove me wrong about my current estimate, but I am not holding my breath like a lunatic at the bottom of the ocean.


EDIT :: By the way, I'm going to kindly give your post a 'Like' because of the useful discussion value it provides.

~D. V. "one with significant reason to doubt MWO changing Game Engine would do anything positive" Devnull

Edited by D V Devnull, 26 December 2021 - 08:36 PM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Roadmap ?! im thinking its now ended ...EG 7 stops MW5 support , split and use the PGI Team for own Projects (LOTR) PGI in Future a Support Studio for EG7 ,or closed like other Studios thats destroyed by EG7


https://www.reddit.c...rrior_5_as_pgi/

https://www.reddit.c...arrior_content/

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 12 January 2022 - 02:50 AM.

[Big-G]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 12 January 2022 - 02:49 AM, said:

Roadmap ?! im thinking its now ended ...EG 7 stops MW5 support , split and use the PGI Team for own Projects (LOTR) PGI in Future a Support Studio for EG7 ,or closed like other Studios thats destroyed by EG7


https://www.reddit.c...rrior_5_as_pgi/

https://www.reddit.c...arrior_content/

I saw reports of these, and yes... it's not looking good for the future of MW in terms of MW6 and MWO...

Are we looking at another decade of abandonware?

[MW Waldorf Statler]

only Hope is a new MWll-2 ,and a talented Moddingteam ...only thats rare in this Times

[TunaFist88]

MWOIIC

[Ralgas]

Big-G, on 12 January 2022 - 01:19 PM, said:

I saw reports of these, and yes... it's not looking good for the future of MW in terms of MW6 and MWO...

Are we looking at another decade of abandonware?

longer. evolution in ip and engine litigation as discussed over the last 2 pages mean it's highly unlikely we'll even get a free fan mod/servers like mw4 did..... sad part is if they had have put some serious time in on the story writing and mission structure (more like mw2/3) it mw5 could have been so much more