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[General Solo]

SirSmokes, on 08 February 2021 - 12:17 AM, said:

Its worthless you add up all MWO game changes...

Game changes show an individuals ability to adapt
Thats a skill
Survival of the fittest, which according to Darwin is the ability to adapt

SirSmokes, on 08 February 2021 - 12:17 AM, said:

....on top of mixing and unmixing of solo and group cue ...

Yes this has had a mayor effect on win rates for some, however even so, their is years of data of solo stats to paint a picture of a players ability

When I drop with a 20% player it shows
When I drop with a 60% player it shows
Its was not perfect, but it was accurate enough

And even with the merge some players stats are roughly the same even playing solo, despite the change

SirSmokes, on 08 February 2021 - 12:17 AM, said:

..... were some players drop almost exclusively in teams working together it becomes kind of meaning less. Then you have to add individual motivation to main stats like always dropping is the best builds vs dicking around in the less then best builds for fun vs people always putting in maximum effort at all times. *shurgs* oh well

Jarls is based on results weather people put maximum effort or are simply talented filthy casuals, Jarls List does not care
Its is not biased, its science, logic and maths
The same cannot be said about people who are often very biased

Jarls allows me to gauge a player without such human biases
Its more reliable than forums in regards to gauging a players skill

BTW: Server de-sync is terrible, played two games, 2nd massive de-sync, could fire my weapons despite my mech being down.

Thought, whats the point playing just to be an easy meal, due to sync and booted Star citizen

That has a big influence on stats as well.

Edited by General Solo, 08 February 2021 - 05:18 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 05:09 AM, said:

Game changes show an individuals ability to adapt
Thats a skill
Survival of the fittest, which according to Darwin is the ability to adapt



Yes this has had a mayor effect on win rates for some, however even so, their is years of data of solo stats to paint a picture of a players ability

When I drop with a 20% player it shows
When I drop with a 60% player it shows
Its was not perfect, but it was accurate enough

And even with the merge some players stats are roughly the same even playing solo, despite the change



Jarls is based on results weather people put maximum effort or are simply talented filthy casuals, Jarls List does not care
Its is not biased, its science, logic and maths
Cannot the same cannot be said about people who are often very biased

Jarls allows me to gauge a player without such human biases
Its more reliable than forums in regards to gauging a players skill

BTW: Server de-sync is terrible, played two games, 2nd massive de-sync, could fire my weapons despite my mech being down.

Thought, whats the point playing just to be an easy meal, due to sync and booted Star citizen

That has a big influence on stats as well.

I pilot blasted a lot of the time so Jarls list useless for me. So please don't go HA HA 60% it has no meaning for me. Yea if you put in maximum effort in 24/7 sure it is not useless. The fact it 60% and not lower should tell yea something

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 05:19 AM.

[General Solo]

Well 60% it is usefull to me
It helps me gauge the forum warrior and mech warrior when we meet on the field
I am not asking for your agreement

I am just stating my opinion which is contrary to yours
I don't want others reading this forum to think what you say is the only truth out their

Besides people can make up their own minds as each post is judged on its merits/facts or lack their of.

[The pessimistic optimist]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 05:42 AM, said:

Well 60% it is usefull to me
It helps me gauge the forum warrior and mech warrior when we meet on the field
I am not asking for your agreement

I am just stating my opinion which is contrary to yours
I don't want others reading this forum to think what you say is the only truth out their

Besides people can make up their own minds as each post is judged on its merits/facts or lack their of.

If I was a bad pilot and I was piloting smashed a lot of the time there no way it would be above 50% and I GET SMASHED sometimes no joke 151 75.5% and strong hash. Go fine some of my old Marik team-speak buddy's and ask them how often I was piloting in the tank

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 05:50 AM.

[General Solo]

I am not saying your a BAD pilot
60% means your better than half all the pilots

Also Piloting smashed is a player choice
Jarls List does not know this
It just knows your performance

Unbiased
Unlike people

But this thread is about lerms and ATM's

Does anyone not use AMS nor have a problem with missiles or is it just me.

Edited by General Solo, 08 February 2021 - 06:05 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 06:00 AM, said:

Piloting smashed is a player choice
Jarls List does not know this
It just knows your performance

Unbiased
Unlike people

Yea that's my point it only knows that. That's the point I was trying to make. It doesn't take in to account say if you can chugging down rum and cokes and blasting bong hits. That's on me and that's OK I don't care in my stats suffer because of it

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 06:07 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 06:00 AM, said:

Piloting smashed is a player choice
Jarls List does not know this
It just knows your performance

Unbiased
Unlike people

Jarl's rank and the forums are two different things. If you think one lends weight to the other you're mistaken.

A high rank on Jarl's doesn't mean someone knows what they're talking about.
And just because somebody knows what they're talking about, doesn't mean it will translate to a high Jarl's.

Edited by VonBruinwald, 08 February 2021 - 06:12 AM.

[Kroete]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 05:09 AM, said:

Jarls allows me to gauge a player without such human biases
Its more reliable than forums in regards to gauging a players skill

Not really,
it can be an indicator for your messure but not much more because the group/solo bias and using a matchscore that is based mostly on damage.
If i run a fast streakmech, i got lot more damage and matchscore if i kill a big mech using half of my ammo then killing two fleas with two salvos each. If i kill a flea with a sigle salvo of big ballistics, i get even less damage and matchscore.

Does jarls reflekt my skill? Sure, to some degree, but not my understanding of the game.
You can clearly see if i have a good or bad month, you know, the difference between weed or painkillers,
if i use a meta (boring! i dont use them!) or fun mech or my sight is a little blurry (still having problems after a stroke),
but this mechanical skills, my reflexes or the used mech does not reflect the understanding.

Thats why lots of people fail, if they just try to parrot some metamechs.

Edited by Kroete, 08 February 2021 - 06:07 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Kroete, on 08 February 2021 - 06:05 AM, said:

Not really,
it can be an indicator for your messure but not much more because the group/solo bias and using a matchscore that is based mostly on damage.
If i run a fast streakmech, i got lot more damage and matchscore if i kill a big mech using half of my ammo then killing two fleas with two salvos each. If i kill a flea with a sigle salvo of big ballistics, i get even less damage and matchscore.

Does jarls reflekt my skill? Sure, to some degree, but not my understanding of the game.
You can clearly see if i have a good or bad month, you know, the difference between weed or painkillers,
if i use a meta (boring! i dont use them!) or fun mech or my sight is a little blurry (still having problems after a stroke),
but this mechanical skills, my reflexes or the used mech does not reflect the understanding.

Thats why lots of people fail, if they just try to parrot some metamechs.

I always go for quickest kills a lot of the time I get low damge but I took out 2 or 3 mechs with most of the damge they took was for me. Game doesn't reward efficient killing

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 06:12 AM.

[General Solo]

VonBruinwald, on 08 February 2021 - 06:05 AM, said:

Jarl's rank and the forums are two different things. If you think one lends weight to the other you're mistaken.

Dude if two someones on the forums are making out like they are experts on a discussed topic Jarls List can informs me who is more qualified, who I should listen to, who I should ignore.

Theirs much discussed and Jarls list can save me time on who to believe on what information to trust

The 90% pilot or the 60% pilot

It has been my experience often the loudest voices that spam opinions are the least reliable

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

Anyway my ship awaits, ready for take off Commander Chris Roberts

Toodles

Edited by General Solo, 08 February 2021 - 06:18 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 06:16 AM, said:

Dude if two someones on the forums are making out like they are experts on a discussed topic Jarls List can informs me who is more qualified, who I should listen to, who I should ignore.

Theirs much discussed and Jarls list can save me time on who to believe on what information to trust

The 90% pilot or the 60% pilot

It has been my experience often the loudest voices that spam opinions are the least reliable

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

Anyway my ship awaits, ready for take off Commander Chris Roberts

Toodles

Anyways I made my point believe what you want. It has no effect on me and experience with this game. If you want to use Jarls to discredit someone fine go a head. I will keep having my drinks smoke my hash and have a blast doing it

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 06:22 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

General Solo, on 08 February 2021 - 06:16 AM, said:

Dude if two someones on the forums are making out like they are experts on a discussed topic Jarls List can informs me who is more qualified, who I should listen to, who I should ignore.

Theirs much discussed and Jarls list can save me time on who to believe on what information to trust

The 90% pilot or the 60% pilot

You're being idealistic. The big problem here is some of us carry the scars of life. It's a safe bet that a good portion of the 90% players would be be sub 60% if they had to play under the same conditions.

[The pessimistic optimist]

VonBruinwald, on 08 February 2021 - 06:34 AM, said:

You're being idealistic. The big problem here is some of us carry the scars of life. It's a safe bet that a good portion of the 90% players would be be sub 60% if they had to play under the same conditions.

I am put as many miles on old meat puppet as I can YOLO

[Gagis]

He is not wrong. The forums are chock full of forum warriors loudly proclaiming false information and bad advice and you need some way to keep track of who's who, since engaging forum warriors in arguments would just generate 20 pages of non-content.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Gagis, on 08 February 2021 - 06:45 AM, said:

He is not wrong. The forums are chock full of forum warriors loudly proclaiming false information and bad advice and you need some way to keep track of who's who, since engaging forum warriors in arguments would just generate 20 pages of non-content.

Also full of people that want the game this way and only this way and if you are not with that you are wrong.

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 06:48 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

Gagis, on 08 February 2021 - 06:45 AM, said:

He is not wrong. The forums are chock full of forum warriors loudly proclaiming false information and bad advice and you need some way to keep track of who's who, since engaging forum warriors in arguments would just generate 20 pages of non-content.

I don't think it would be that bad. The great Nascar thread only got to 24 pages...

The thing with advice is you don't have to listen to it. The problem is people who think they know better and insist on "correcting" those who dispense it. If you have a counter-proposal, by all means, offer it, but insisting someone else is wrong is where the arguments arise. What works for one of us may not work for another, there's no harm in trying both and coming to our own decisions.

Edited by VonBruinwald, 08 February 2021 - 07:00 AM.

[Curccu]

VonBruinwald, on 08 February 2021 - 06:34 AM, said:

You're being idealistic. The big problem here is some of us carry the scars of life. It's a safe bet that a good portion of the 90% players would be be sub 60% if they had to play under the same conditions.

Some of us do, most... like huge portion of players are not hindered by scars of like. So it's pretty safe to assume that 90% percentile player knows what hes talking about (this game) instead 60% or 40% percentile player.

And yes some people play games always so wasted they cannot perform at all and would be 90% percentile players if they were able to play this game sober. Again MOST of the gamers aren't always that wasted while gaming (I knew a fellow with monthly percentiles between 95-99,94 and was totally wasted most fridays and played like **** and didn't perform at all when he was drinking. Still ~98% percentile player instead of 60%).

[The pessimistic optimist]

Curccu, on 08 February 2021 - 07:04 AM, said:

Some of us do, most... like huge portion of players are not hindered by scars of like. So it's pretty safe to assume that 90% percentile player knows what hes talking about (this game) instead 60% or 40% percentile player.

And yes some people play games always so wasted they cannot perform at all and would be 90% percentile players if they were able to play this game sober. Again MOST of the gamers aren't always that wasted while gaming (I knew a fellow with monthly percentiles between 95-99,94 and was totally wasted most fridays and played like **** and didn't perform at all when he was drinking. Still ~98% percentile player instead of 60%).

Thank you that all I was trying to say not hard to understand. I drink ALL the time not just Friday and smoke hash everyday judge me if you will but I like to be honest. Had enough lies for one life time

Edited by SirSmokes, 08 February 2021 - 07:09 AM.

[Dozer6]

Scrubby noob chiming in.
I sometimes run my Archer loaded to the gills with lrm's and 4 medium lasers and am right there with my team. Using thier locks and getting my own putting as much damage down range as i can for the occaisional player that actually knows how to take advantage.

[Alekzander Smirnoff]

I run an AWS-8T (my largest IS LRM) with 40 tubes+tag and 4ml, largest clan has 60 tubes plus backup weapons. I'm always in the second line firing over others in direct line of sight to maximize my LRM damage. I also run ATM boats the same way, of course they're pretty terrible at indirect fire anyway so line of sight is required. Plus being up closer allows you to share your armor with the team, taking some hits while others fire since my AWS is the broad side of a barn. If I do indirect fire, I usually fire test shots at a target to see if they even land instead of just firing without regard to ammo consumption. I don't carry a **** load of ammo to waste since I like my backup weapons and other equipment. Those 4 ML have saved my *** a small hand full of times from lights or other things that have snuck up behind the team.