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[The pessimistic optimist]

General Solo, on 09 February 2021 - 11:06 AM, said:

Why appease a small group to stop them going ape
Is that the goal of the game
I thought it was to grow the playerbase population

Find solutions to that!
If people want to role play apes, its fine, as long as the playerbase grows
If the Apes get in the way of player base growth then
Put them in the zoo

They are loud and noisy and it not a hard change to keep them happy

[General Solo]

imo better match making in all queues and unmerging would grow the game more
But that can not be done with a simple xml edits
Appearing to work on the game with pointless xml edits is a smoke screen that wont grow the game imo

SirSmokes, on 09 February 2021 - 11:22 AM, said:

They are loud and noisy and it not a hard change to keep them happy

At what cost
The rest of the playerbase?
Even if it reduces the playerbase population?

Appeasement is not the answer
If their ape noises are disruptive, they should be moderated
not appeased imo

GTAV has good systems for this, the naughty server.

Edited by General Solo, 09 February 2021 - 11:42 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

General Solo, on 09 February 2021 - 11:41 AM, said:

imo better match making in all queues and unmerging would grow the game more
But that can not be done with a simple xml edits
Appearing to work on the game with pointless xml edits is a smoke screen that wont grow the game imo



At what cost
The rest of the playerbase?
Even if it reduces the playerbase population?

Appeasement is not the answer
If their ape noises are disruptive, they should be moderated
not appeased imo

GTAV has good systems for this, the naughty server.

I don't know take AMS and ECM god people are such baby's

Edited by SirSmokes, 09 February 2021 - 12:16 PM.

[Nefesh]

I've played mainly LRM for years now. Currently it is the hardest to make work that I have ever experienced. Requires specialized points in the skill tree, and a much more active playstyle than it had in previous years. Requires smart positioning, awareness, and forethought. Has numerous "bad" maps which tend to be popular.

Any further nerfs to lrm/atm, or further buffs to ams will just kill the whole weapons system.

AMS shuts missile down hard. So hard, I feel like quitting the game after some matches. I feel like it is too good of a counter for the tonnage, the fact that it works on mrm, ssrm, and srm as well is just ludicrous.

There needs to be more to this game than a bunch of morons running in a counter-clockwise circle, firing ballistic weapons at each other. Occasionally Wolf-packing in lights is not enough variety to keep this game alive.

This game needs more variety in viable weapons systems, playstyles, tactics etc., not less.

[Ignatius Audene]

SirSmokes, on 09 February 2021 - 11:22 AM, said:

They are loud and noisy and it not a hard change to keep them happy

[redacted] comp guys are loud and noisy because they tell u lrm are low skill? They are! Are they to stronk? No!
Are they [redacted] boring? Yes.

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 10 February 2021 - 04:14 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Ignatius Audene, on 10 February 2021 - 02:32 AM, said:

[redacted] comp guys are loud and noisy because they tell u lrm are low skill? They are! Are they to stronk? No!
Are they [redacted] boring? Yes.

Great don't play them no one putting a gun to your head. Please don't ruin the game for other people who like to play all the weapons

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 10 February 2021 - 04:15 AM.
quote cleanup

[Dozer6]

Boy i forgot the whole point of this thread, had to re read the op....

[The pessimistic optimist]

Dozer6, on 10 February 2021 - 06:39 AM, said:

Boy i forgot the whole point of this thread, had to re read the op....

Yea derail city

[Doobix]

Idea for balance = delete lock on weapons from the game

[Gagis]

Handley Page, on 06 February 2021 - 08:06 AM, said:

Increase spread or decrease velocity of in-direct LRMs.
Decrease velocity of ATMs.

Nothing more needs to be done, don't need to reinvent the wheel.

7 pages of text, and I went back to the first page and found that the topic has been solved since the first reply. That is exactly what missiles need.

[VonBruinwald]

Gagis, on 10 February 2021 - 08:26 AM, said:

7 pages of text, and I went back to the first page and found that the topic has been solved since the first reply. That is exactly what missiles need.

Handley Page, on 06 February 2021 - 08:06 AM, said:

Increase spread or decrease velocity of in-direct LRMs.
Decrease velocity of ATMs.

Nothing more needs to be done, don't need to reinvent the wheel.

No need to mess with velocity.

Increase the spread of both.

Alternatively ghost-spread, the more missiles you fire simultaneously the large the spread.

Nerfs boaters without hitting light mechs.

[ThreeStooges]

VonBruinwald, on 10 February 2021 - 08:33 AM, said:

No need to mess with velocity.

Increase the spread of both.

Alternatively ghost-spread, the more missiles you fire simultaneously the large the spread.

Nerfs boaters without hitting light mechs.

Or just add rng to all weapons like in the hbs battle tech. Everyone gets nerf enima. Did that dual lbx 20 build miss and hit a rock when you were 81m from a mech? Yes,it did. Did that lrm 5x2 avoid your tri ams nova and head shot your mech? Too bad! RnG baby!

[The pessimistic optimist]

Doobix, on 10 February 2021 - 08:13 AM, said:

Idea for balance = delete lock on weapons from the game

Yup thank you for proving my point

[Wolfos31]

It's been eternal but LRMs REALLY get people riled up in this game for some reason. Note that SSRMs never get people riled up. So it's not lock on weapons, it's LRMs.

And I don't get it because as I've said LRMs are pretty situational. I feel you have to work harder with LRMs a lot of the time than say MRMs or PPCs. But I think people get pissed because "no skill lock on weapon system doing all the work". I think people discount all the work that a LRM player has to put in to get around ECM, AMS, and hard cover.

I don't play LRMs much because I'd rather just peak cover, point, and shoot.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Wolfos31, on 10 February 2021 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's been eternal but LRMs REALLY get people riled up in this game for some reason. Note that SSRMs never get people riled up. So it's not lock on weapons, it's LRMs.

And I don't get it because as I've said LRMs are pretty situational. I feel you have to work harder with LRMs a lot of the time than say MRMs or PPCs. But I think people get pissed because "no skill lock on weapon system doing all the work". I think people discount all the work that a LRM player has to put in to get around ECM, AMS, and hard cover.

I don't play LRMs much because I'd rather just peak cover, point, and shoot.

I still do that playing LRMs peak cover and shoot as well in indirect combining some direct fire in. People really misunderstand this weapon system how to really us it's fullest potential. You should be able to do well on any map with them and you can

Edited by SirSmokes, 10 February 2021 - 11:13 AM.

[dario03]

Wolfos31, on 10 February 2021 - 11:08 AM, said:

It's been eternal but LRMs REALLY get people riled up in this game for some reason. Note that SSRMs never get people riled up. So it's not lock on weapons, it's LRMs.

And I don't get it because as I've said LRMs are pretty situational. I feel you have to work harder with LRMs a lot of the time than say MRMs or PPCs. But I think people get pissed because "no skill lock on weapon system doing all the work". I think people discount all the work that a LRM player has to put in to get around ECM, AMS, and hard cover.

I don't play LRMs much because I'd rather just peak cover, point, and shoot.

What? Streaks annoy plenty of people. I would say they are the most in need of a rebalance.

[FupDup]

dario03, on 10 February 2021 - 12:44 PM, said:

What? Streaks annoy plenty of people. I would say they are the most in need of a rebalance.

I'm starting to think there might be a common denominator among all these weapons...

[The pessimistic optimist]

FupDup, on 10 February 2021 - 01:13 PM, said:

I'm starting to think there might be a common denominator among all these weapons...

Let just take them out of the game problem slove

[FupDup]

SirSmokes, on 10 February 2021 - 01:18 PM, said:

Let just take them out of the game problem slove

No, redesign them instead so they aren't so feast-or-famine.

[The pessimistic optimist]

FupDup, on 10 February 2021 - 01:20 PM, said:

No, redesign them instead so they aren't so feast-or-famine.

No famine for me but we all know people want them out of the game

Edited by SirSmokes, 10 February 2021 - 01:50 PM.