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[Android5000]

I want to fight all the mechwarriors that are still here.... regardless of my tier. Git good or die i dont want a safety net.1

[John Bronco]

REMOVE PSR

EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF

[Horseman]

Android5000, on 28 January 2022 - 09:14 PM, said:

I want to fight all the mechwarriors that are still here.... regardless of my tier. Git good or die i dont want a safety net.1

Find T1 players who are willing to group with you and teach you the ins and outs of the game. You'll get matched against more demanding opposition exactly as you wish - but the experience may be far more brutal than you expect.

[Saved By The Bell]

Wow, still some warriors here.

[Saved By The Bell]

By the way 2-3 days ago I saw some "Zonzelberg" in 4 fights against me.

This top guy did such things in Mystic Linx...

[Davegt27]

Android5000, on 28 January 2022 - 09:14 PM, said:

I want to fight all the mechwarriors that are still here.... regardless of my tier. Git good or die i dont want a safety net.1

well most players used to end up in T1 and we would play against almost all players

but sadly the try hards could not stand this and complained and complained until PGI changed the system

these days

if your good enough you will quickly rise to T1 and you will play the best of the best

good luck

[Curccu]

Android5000, on 28 January 2022 - 09:14 PM, said:

I want to fight all the mechwarriors that are still here.... regardless of my tier. Git good or die i dont want a safety net.1

that would skyrocket T1 players K/D and W/L and opposite to T5 players, Generally bad idea.

Davegt27, on 29 January 2022 - 01:18 AM, said:

well most players used to end up in T1 and we would play against almost all players

but sadly the try hards could not stand this and complained and complained until PGI changed the system

these days

if your good enough you will quickly rise to T1 and you will play the best of the best

good luck

What the duck Dave? Even for you this is total brain fart comment...
Are you seriously saying having better matchmaking is worse? Seems to me that it's still the potatoes that QQ here in here forums that some T1 ends up playing against t4-5...."gaming the system" as Samial says.

[Kanil]

Davegt27, on 29 January 2022 - 01:18 AM, said:

but sadly the try hards could not stand this and complained and complained until PGI changed the system

Why would the tryhards be upset that the old system gave them seals to club?

[RickySpanish]

Android5000, on 28 January 2022 - 09:14 PM, said:

I want to fight all the mechwarriors that are still here.... regardless of my tier. Git good or die i dont want a safety net.1

Keep playing and you will, sounds like you'll easily make it to T3.

[Escef]

Can we? No.

Can PGI? Yes.

Is it a good idea? No.

[Horseman]

Kanil, on 29 January 2022 - 01:55 PM, said:

Why would the tryhards be upset that the old system gave them seals to club?

Because not all of us Tier 1 bogeymen are schoolyard bullies with no self-respect and no sense of fair play.
Fighting a vastly inferior opponent is an objectively bad experience. There's little to no challenge or uncertainty about how it's going to pan out - the outcome has been a foregone conclusion the moment you were thrown on the opposite sides of the match, you're just going through the motions of resolving it.
Again, that scenario is something only a bully would actually enjoy for more than a brief period of time.
For an actual comp-grade tryhard, having to fight inferior opponents is degrading and can even be seen as detrimental to their skill level (since rando pugs make mistakes tryhards don't and don't punish you for making mistakes tryhards would). I don't expect you to understand this, just accept that it is like that.

[pattonesque]

this is a bad idea but I respect the extreme lack of cowardice displayed by OP

[Arnetheus]

Bad idea.
Even with the issues remaining, the current PSR calculation is still better than it was before the rework.
You also might think "well, make it opt-in then, so i could choose to ignore it". Then the question is, what if people don't want to end up in all-tiers-included matches you want to be in? That's more playerbase fracturing people are afraid of at this time.
All you need to play with everyone is to reach tier 3, considering they get to play with all tier brackets up and down.

[Saved By The Bell]

To say the truth, I tried fights tier 5-4 from different account.

I saw almost same faces from Tier 1-2, when I got back to Tier 3.

So I can say, there are 2 tiers: 5-4 and 3-1.

Edited by Saved By The Bell, 30 January 2022 - 11:01 AM.

[YueFei]

Saved By The Bell, on 29 January 2022 - 01:14 AM, said:

By the way 2-3 days ago I saw some "Zonzelberg" in 4 fights against me.

This top guy did such things in Mystic Linx...

I played with that guy recently! He was on my team. He helped bait 3 enemies into our trap and we wasted this Rifleman with pre-registered fire, then killed the other 2 enemies before they could retreat or get help from their teammates.

Which you know, you'd think I should know better than to fall for the kind of trap I was part of, but a few games later I got baited by a Piranha into the pre-registered fire of an Annihilator.

Edited by YueFei, 30 January 2022 - 11:01 AM.

[Sunset Cruise]

YueFei, on 30 January 2022 - 11:01 AM, said:

I played with that guy recently! He was on my team. He helped bait 3 enemies into our trap and we wasted this Rifleman with pre-registered fire, then killed the other 2 enemies before they could retreat or get help from their teammates.

Which you know, you'd think I should know better than to fall for the kind of trap I was part of, but a few games later I got baited by a Piranha into the pre-registered fire of an Annihilator.

He was shooting from positions, which nobody uses. Nobody sees him at first. At the end he did 700-800 damage with light mech.

[Kanil]

Horseman, on 30 January 2022 - 09:07 AM, said:

Because not all of us Tier 1 bogeymen are schoolyard bullies with no self-respect and no sense of fair play.

Pretty sure having a sense of fair play disqualifies you from being a proper tryhard...

[Brauer]

Android5000, on 28 January 2022 - 09:14 PM, said:

I want to fight all the mechwarriors that are still here.... regardless of my tier. Git good or die i dont want a safety net.1

Terrible idea. We had this in May '20 and June '20 (seasons 46 and 47) after tiers were reset. Those players currently staying in T5, T4, and T3 would get farmed extremely hard and complain just like they did back then, and those players farming them would get bored and frustrated by the low quality of play and opposition.

Kanil, on 30 January 2022 - 01:29 PM, said:

Pretty sure having a sense of fair play disqualifies you from being a proper tryhard...

That's incorrect. Plenty of players seek to improve their skills and their coordination with their teammates while staying within the rules of the game (and do so with success).

[Horseman]

Kanil, on 30 January 2022 - 01:29 PM, said:

Pretty sure having a sense of fair play disqualifies you from being a proper tryhard...

It doesn't, if you understand the implications.
A sufficiently advanced tryhard expects both sides to go all out and fight to the limit of their ability within the rules - the better man, woman or clanner wins. But they also understand that there's no honor, no accomplishment, in stomping out an inferior opponent - rather, being matched against one who doesn't stand a chance is undesirable and demeaning to both parties. That is a tryhard's sense of fair play.
I think there is very little dispute that close matchups tend to be both among the most enjoyable to fight in and most entertaining to watch.
A tryhard wants every match to be like that, every match to push them to their limits.
And that requires solid matchmaking.
If you still don't understand it, then you never understood tryhards or how they think.

Edited by Horseman, 30 January 2022 - 02:47 PM.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

In practice nothing would really change, but it would at least dispel a lot of the confusion behind the PSR mechanics.
So, why not?