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[PocketYoda]

Literally like throwing slow beach balls at the enemy.. These were once great but now i'm not sure what others think but they are incredibly slow and feel terrible to use..

What the hell happened to them.

[justcallme A S H]

I have used IS AC20 a lot since rebalance.

Feels great, finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PocketYoda]

justcallme A S H, on 10 July 2021 - 09:50 PM, said:

I have used IS AC20 a lot since rebalance.

Feels great, finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel they should fire as fast as LBX20.

[Alex Morgaine]

Max velocity in tree and use in sub 300m take as intended. It will work.

[MyriadDigits]

MechaGnome, on 10 July 2021 - 09:51 PM, said:

I feel they should fire as fast as LBX20.

AC20 doesn't need AC10 velo to work.

[PocketYoda]

Eh i removed them for 4x LB5 way better..

[FupDup]

MechaGnome, on 11 July 2021 - 12:18 AM, said:

Eh i removed them for 4x LB5 way better..

That requires more hardpoints, critslots, and tonnage, so it had better be way better.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

MechaGnome, on 10 July 2021 - 09:28 PM, said:

Literally like throwing slow beach balls at the enemy.. These were once great but now i'm not sure what others think but they are incredibly slow and feel terrible to use..

What the hell happened to them.

They haven't changed since the March patch which was four months ago so nothing has changed, the velocity is still low enough that you need to factor it in when firing but its no where near as bad as it used to be and actually syncs up better with other weapons.

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Eh i removed them for 4x LB5 way better..

Oh my bad, you were trying to make a bait thread not an actual discussion.

[PocketYoda]

FupDup, on 11 July 2021 - 05:29 AM, said:

That requires more hardpoints, critslots, and tonnage, so it had better be way better.

Its a Mauler it had them.

Monke-, on 11 July 2021 - 05:41 AM, said:

They haven't changed since the March patch which was four months ago so nothing has changed, the velocity is still low enough that you need to factor it in when firing but its no where near as bad as it used to be and actually syncs up better with other weapons.



Oh my bad, you were trying to make a bait thread not an actual discussion.

Can't have a discussion here every time you try the same group attack you.. like fire ants.. I still feel AC20 are garbage but hey if others apparently like them more power to them, i'll use alternatives that work and sell the garbage.

Its not worth the hassle of fighting it out here.. This forum is an echo chamber for certain groups.

Edited by MechaGnome, 11 July 2021 - 06:05 AM.

[Mochyn Pupur]

Lockheed_, on 10 July 2021 - 09:48 PM, said:

AC20 feel pretty good since the patch.
I use them a lot.
AC20 +3 SnubPPCs is a ton of fun.

Looks like my Kraken loadout; decent damage, synergised range, excellent focused damage if you look for your opportunities

[pattonesque]

MechaGnome, on 11 July 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

Its a Mauler it had them.


Can't have a discussion here every time you try the same group attack you.. like fire ants.. I still feel AC20 are garbage but hey if others apparently like them more power to them, i'll use alternatives that work and sell the garbage.

Its not worth the hassle of fighting it out here.. This forum is an echo chamber for certain groups.

Honestly it’s because your threads tend to be less “X is bad” than “I personally am bad at using X”

Try using an AC/20 and SRM6A combo on an Atlas-S or D-DC. Very powerful at its intended range!

Edited by pattonesque, 11 July 2021 - 07:19 AM.

[MechNexus]

AC20s are fine. The velocity isn't an issue for the range you're meant to use them in, and slapping someone with 20 points of damage pinpoint is hard to argue with. Sure, Hgauss hits harder, but it's heavy af and has a charge time. The classic AC20+SRMs combo is hard to beat, and AC20+Triple snub is even spicier. AC20+MRMs are also quite effective.

[Escef]

MechaGnome, on 11 July 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

Can't have a discussion here every time you try the same group attack you.. like fire ants.. I still feel AC20 are garbage but hey if others apparently like them more power to them, i'll use alternatives that work and sell the garbage.

Its not worth the hassle of fighting it out here.. This forum is an echo chamber for certain groups.

Did it at all occur to you that maybe the problem is you? I'm not going to name names, but I can promise you that one of the people that is dismissive of your complaints is someone that I have a significant personality clash with. Oh, sure, he's a very good player, but I think his attitude and personality are abject trash.I also think his dismissiveness of your issues is justified.

Simply put, every single thing you've complained about is an issue that only you seems to have. That should be a sign, man. When basically everyone looks at you with puzzled expressions and says, "Uh, yeah, no, that's... not a problem. What are you even doing?" that should be a sign that the issue is purely on your end of things.

Provided there are no issues with your computer experiencing lag or FPS issues, I'd say the problem is that, for whatever reason, you are just not "clicking" with certain mechs and weapons. And that's ok. There's literally nothing wrong with that. But there's a big difference between, "I don't use AC20s, I always end up under or over leading the target," and "AC20s are junk because I can't hit with them." It would be different if this was an issue for the majority of users, but quite simply it is not. The only change that's occurred recently that I can think of that could be throwing you is that a lot of mechs had their agility improved. They accelerate and decelerate faster, they can torso twist faster and farther, and I think (I'd have to double check to be sure) that some of them might even have a tighter turning radius now. The gun is the same, but the targets have changed and you haven't adapted to it.

You need to seriously consider the idea that the problem is you.

Edited by Escef, 11 July 2021 - 10:04 AM.

[Apache1990]

I'm still getting my muscle memory used to AC20 shot velocity being so much higher since the March patch, they're definitely not slow anymore.

[Moldur]

Effective range is 270 but intended range is point blank. Pair with SRMs, or another AC-20.

[RickySpanish]

Heaven forbid; people don't just take your word for it OP and argue the point. 4x LB5 is heavier and larger and obviously requires more hardpoints than an AC-20, so comparing them is a little odd. Did you mean to imply that an equivalent tonnage of LB5s is better? That'd make more sense IMO but consider that AC-20s are meant for close range. Yes they can shoot further but it is discouraged by damage fall off and trajectory.

[ThreeStooges]

They are when you have to hide most a match while the team dies to long range. You need a mech with the holy trinity of range, cool down and velocity plus the full 55 or so nodes in fire power to make them worth the weight and ammo.

Any mech with a ballistic cool down in the 15-20% range is what I try and find. Hbk-4g comes close for the holy three of ac.

[Nightbird]

AC20's range is short, you're gimping yourself if you don't take mid range in QP. Brawling can work on the right maps, but you not going to get them continuously.

It's not like SRMs that is light enough to fit onto a fast skirmisher.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

MechaGnome, on 11 July 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

Can't have a discussion here every time you try the same group attack you.. like fire ants.. I still feel AC20 are garbage but hey if others apparently like them more power to them, i'll use alternatives that work and sell the garbage.

Its not worth the hassle of fighting it out here.. This forum is an echo chamber for certain groups.

If people discuss stuff and the majority agree on certain aspects that you disagree with then maybe, just maybe, the majority isn't wrong but you are?

[Bud Crue]

MechaGnome, on 11 July 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

Its a Mauler it had them.


Can't have a discussion here every time you try the same group attack you.. like fire ants.. I still feel AC20 are garbage but hey if others apparently like them more power to them, i'll use alternatives that work and sell the garbage.

Its not worth the hassle of fighting it out here.. This forum is an echo chamber for certain groups.

AC/20 Mauler is not easy to play ( I think I do 2 and 6ML on mine and I don't play it that often). It's a huge, slow target that is difficult to get into AC/20 range without getting smacked, plus the hard point locations are not the greatest. Try something like a dual AC/20 K2 or Warhammer or even a Victor (you can get it up to near 80kph with JJs). All are much more forgiving than a Mauler.