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[Vxheous]

So I've read many times from other posters on this forum that it takes hundreds (often 500+ is the most common number cited) of games to climb from Tier 5 to Tier 1, so I figured I would test it out and see how long it would take to actually level a brand new fresh account. I started this back in March and played off and on between 23 to 72 games a month, buying a new mech when I had the cbills for it (or gifted from events) and leveled up the mechs accordingly. I fully leveled 7 mechs along the way (Incubus, Vapor Eagle, Grasshopper, Hellbringer, Timber Wolf, Blood Asp, and Mad Cat MK II).

Total games played 185, while maintaining a W/L just shy of 2.0 (1.98) all solo. Could've probably done it quicker if I just sat in a Blood Asp and farmed 1K+ damage games all the time, but I wanted to play all classes and actually level mechs for a "new player" experience. I also attempted to do event stuff whenever I was playing, and threw random weapons onto mechs to achieve the event criteria



In summary, I expect a good player to be able to climb to Tier 1 with a fresh account anywhere between 150-200ish games.

Edited by Vxheous, 17 July 2021 - 02:04 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Great informative post.

I am doing similar at the moment and I and seeing exactly the same thing. Decent players would need to make an Alt every 50-60 games to "farm" the lower tiers. Like ANYONE is going to do that all year long.

[YouKnowNothing]

But why would anyone want to farm to get there in the first place...

[Bennesto]

The "Farm" isn't the aspect of OPs post. It is the amount of games needed to do it, if you just simply know what you are doing and use the right Mechs to do it.

[Vxheous]

YouKnowNothing, on 17 July 2021 - 02:03 AM, said:

But why would anyone want to farm to get there in the first place...

I didn't farm, I just played normally, and won more games than I lost at a 2:1 ratio.

[YouKnowNothing]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 02:06 AM, said:

I didn't farm, I just played normally, and won more games than I lost at a 2:1 ratio.

Nah, I didn't mean about you, generally that's the context I see the claims you're trying to dispute with this post. Someone's looking to grind to get to T1 and it takes them a shitton of matches to do so, and for what? What's so good about reaching T1?

[Monkey Lover]

justcallme A S H, on 17 July 2021 - 02:00 AM, said:

Great informative post.

I am doing similar at the moment and I and seeing exactly the same thing. Decent players would need to make an Alt every 50-60 games to "farm" the lower tiers. Like ANYONE is going to do that all year long.

After you farm the other team turn around and farm your own. Keep that tier low

[Storming Angel]

Im guessing the 500 games comes from, peeps picking less than great builds, tier shock and mechs that are awkward as hell to use.

And maybe some bad luck, poor games and teams sprinkled in.

Wish we got rewards for moving up tiers too be honest.

[ScrapIron Prime]

And you have to keep in mind that not everyone can do this so quickly. It’s impossible for EVERYONE to have a W/L of 2.0, so for each player like that you’ll see a few down in the 0.9 W/L range. Players who are not top damage dealers will progress much more slowly to tier 1.

And honestly, that’s okay. There’s nothing magical about being in Tier 1 other than a general lack of n00bs. You see less wild or sub par mech builds but you still see nascar and assaults being left behind to die alone.

The important thing is to have fun.

[justcallme A S H]

Yes but his example is not referencing the average player.

It is partly to those that claim high skill players have Alts to farm low tier players. If in 50-60 games you are always well into Tier 3, there isn't much farming going on and any match you do 'farm' in you get the max PSR climb every time.

[Bud Crue]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 01:56 AM, said:

In summary, I expect a good player to be able to climb to Tier 1 with a fresh account anywhere between 150-200ish games.

No matter how often you, or Ash, or some other high % player put forth these kinds of efforts, or make these make these sorts of observations, the usual suspects are going to argue that your experiences are not realistic, or not reflective of what is "normal", etc. and that there is a perfectly valid, if not indisputable (from their perspective) reason that they can not rise to tier 1. E.g. Something, something "my style of play", "I only play stock lore Charger 1A1", or something along those lines.

ScrapIron Prime, on 17 July 2021 - 03:16 AM, said:

And you have to keep in mind that not everyone can do this so quickly. It’s impossible for EVERYONE to have a W/L of 2.0, so for each player like that you’ll see a few down in the 0.9 W/L range. Players who are not top damage dealers will progress much more slowly to tier 1.

And honestly, that’s okay. There’s nothing magical about being in Tier 1 other than a general lack of n00bs. You see less wild or sub par mech builds but you still see nascar and assaults being left behind to die alone.

The important thing is to have fun.

Totally agree. Fun is the goal. Tier is irrelevant.

In terms of tier and PSR progression, I'll argue however that W/L ratio, while not irrelevant is not that big of a deal. After the last reset I rose back to T1 in about 175 games, playing mostly a MPL Jester, and I am a barely above 1.0 W/L player. More often than not I get up arrows on losses though.

Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, if someone wants to rise to T1 quickly despite not being true T1 material its pretty damn easy to do: strikes, multiple AMS, and overide are your friends, not dying first and killing at least one enemy is your goal. Mid range, min-maxed builds make it easier. That's really all you need. But getting to T1 doesn't do anything for you, so I really don't understand why so many around here obsessed with it. You get no special in game bonuses, no "ta da" moment in the game. As far as I can tell, it's just occasionally slightly longer wait times and seeing the same names over and over in your matches to a higher degree than you might otherwise. Yippie.

Play to have fun, and if you manage to rise in tier, great. If you don't, then don't sweat it. But I do think some folks around here just need to relax and stop pretending that T1 is some herculean task to achieve. Most anyone can do it, and the game provides the tools to allow most anyone to do it fairly quickly, if they really want to.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

justcallme A S H, on 17 July 2021 - 04:12 AM, said:

Yes but his example is not referencing the average player.

It is partly to those that claim high skill players have Alts to farm low tier players. If in 50-60 games you are always well into Tier 3, there isn't much farming going on and any match you do 'farm' in you get the max PSR climb every time.

I suppose most folks will reach T3 even sooner - if they're actively trying to.

and yes, there a quite a few "old folks" with "new accounts" out there. and while I agree, I really don't see the point in alt.accounts (anymore).
I mean: many of us FW-players have one (or more), but that is from old-fw-days, where you'd lock in your "side" for quite some time. so you had another account to also play with friends on the other side(s). now with that out of the window for 2? years
-what point remains there to have several accounts?

[Tarl Cabot]

One thing missing from the posts, confirm whether or not if this was completed dropping solo, as part of a group or both... https://static.mwomercs.com/forums//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png  /edit.. I see the solo in the pic!!  Okay!!

And.... were you quiet or was there any drop calling going on?

As for alt accounts, ability to goof off.. quiet period..... or be able to check/test things in a Private Lobby..

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 17 July 2021 - 04:40 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 17 July 2021 - 04:29 AM, said:

I suppose most folks will reach T3 even sooner - if they're actively trying to.

and yes, there a quite a few "old folks" with "new accounts" out there. and while I agree, I really don't see the point in alt.accounts (anymore).
I mean: many of us FW-players have one (or more), but that is from old-fw-days, where you'd lock in your "side" for quite some time. so you had another account to also play with friends on the other side(s). now with that out of the window for 2? years
-what point remains there to have several accounts?

Soon is very, arguable.

If you have 190-200 AvgMS, which is slightly below the average it will take 1000s of games to get into Tier 3 and you will bounce back into Tier 4 now and again.

Kinda depends on the circumstance in question.

[RickySpanish]

This just in: Tier 1 player reaches tier 1 quickly on an alt, claims he has dispelled the myth of it taking "hundreds of games" to reach tier 1. Technically, even you were 15 games shy of "hundreds". I suspect it might take more ordinary players longer.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Tarl Cabot, on 17 July 2021 - 04:30 AM, said:

One thing missing from the posts, confirm whether or not if this was completed dropping solo, as part of a group or both... https://static.mwomercs.com/forums//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png /edit.. I see the solo in the pic!! Okay!!

Very true. My archive W/L record from years ago is 1.5 while my current is 1.0 and change. The difference is teamwork. When I was a unit member I rarely solo dropped, now that’s all I do.

[justcallme A S H]

Vx did it almost purely Solo dropping.

2.0 WLR is not a hard ask solo dropping.

[Vxheous]

Tarl Cabot, on 17 July 2021 - 04:30 AM, said:

One thing missing from the posts, confirm whether or not if this was completed dropping solo, as part of a group or both... https://static.mwomercs.com/forums//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png /edit.. I see the solo in the pic!! Okay!!

And.... were you quiet or was there any drop calling going on?

As for alt accounts, ability to goof off.. quiet period..... or be able to check/test things in a Private Lobby..

I didn't talk to anyone, or drop command, maybe the occasional ggclose at the end of a game after I dunked the lobby. I think I played 3 games in a group when I first made the account, which was actually detrimental to the climb as I was in a trial Kodiak (pre mobility buff), and the 2 man group dragged me into tier 1 matchmaking. After those 3 games, I solo'ed the rest of the way.

RickySpanish, on 17 July 2021 - 04:53 AM, said:

This just in: Tier 1 player reaches tier 1 quickly on an alt, claims he has dispelled the myth of it taking "hundreds of games" to reach tier 1. Technically, even you were 15 games shy of "hundreds". I suspect it might take more ordinary players longer.

When people say hundreds of games, they don't typically mean 200 games, they often talk about how each tier is at least 100 games or more. I'm also not talking about ordinary players, ordinary players belong in an ordinary tier, aka tier 3. Anyone that is moderately "good" at this game should be able to reach tier 1 between 150-250 games.

Edited by Vxheous, 17 July 2021 - 05:38 AM.

[Belorion]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 05:33 AM, said:

When people say hundreds of games, they don't typically mean 200 games, they often talk about how each tier is at least 100 games or more.

People are prone to hyperbole. When they say hundreds of games they may mean 80.

[Vxheous]

Belorion, on 17 July 2021 - 05:39 AM, said:

People are prone to hyperbole. When they say hundreds of games they may mean 80.

No, when people talk about rising in tiers, it is as I said prior. If they meant 80 games, they would probably round down to make themselves sound better. Also, when PSR was first reset and everyone was mid tier 3, it really did only take 40-70 games to hit tier 1.

Edited by Vxheous, 17 July 2021 - 05:42 AM.