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[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

justcallme A S H, on 17 July 2021 - 04:51 AM, said:

Soon is very, arguable.

If you have 190-200 AvgMS, which is slightly below the average it will take 1000s of games to get into Tier 3 and you will bounce back into Tier 4 now and again.

Kinda depends on the circumstance in question.

that's where the "actively trying" part comes in
I'd argue that many folks rather have "fun" running derpy builds and doing derpy stuff; some are new and just don''t know better.
however, if you pick a good mech with a good outfit and _always_ try your best, I'm sure you'll see T3 in no-time.

[Vxheous]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 17 July 2021 - 05:44 AM, said:

that's where the "actively trying" part comes in
I'd argue that many folks rather have "fun" running derpy builds and doing derpy stuff; some are new and just don''t know better.
however, if you pick a good mech with a good outfit and _always_ try your best, I'm sure you'll see T3 in no-time.

That's not the point though, of course if you actively sandbag yourself, you're not going to climb, or climb fast. The point is that others in the past have made claims on the forums about various things that CANNOT be done, period, like being a cadet but in Tier 3 (pre PSR changes, with the starting PSR boost, you can go from Tier 5 to Tier 3 in 3-4 games, PROVEN), or that solo players cannot get close to 2.0 W/L, etc.

Edited by Vxheous, 17 July 2021 - 05:50 AM.

[Davegt27]

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(often 500+ is the most common number cited) of games to climb from Tier 5 to Tier 1

you have a link because I have never heard or seen anyone say that ??

[Vxheous]

Davegt27, on 17 July 2021 - 06:00 AM, said:

you have a link because I have never heard or seen anyone say that ??

I honestly can't be bothered to swim through the brown sea to find the posts anymore. The claims usually come up in those threads of "I finally made it to tier 1", or those threads that pop up from time to time about good players having alts specifically to farm in the low tiers, and because it takes hundreds of games to get through each tier (supposedly), these alts get to ruin the game for Tier 4/5s

[ScrapIron Prime]

justcallme A S H, on 17 July 2021 - 05:02 AM, said:

2.0 WLR is not a hard ask solo dropping.

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 05:33 AM, said:

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Anyone that is moderately "good" at this game should be able to reach tier 1 between 150-250 games.

Just remember, you guys are supposed to represent ALL the players, not just the ones with a 2.0 W/L ratio. It’s statistically impossible for a majority of players to get a 2.0 W/L, so I would advise avoiding language that gives the impression of being elitist.

I personally do not take offense because you have essentially just said I am not moderately good at this game… because I don’t have thin skin. But the Cauldron and other helpful folks will have a much easier time improving things for everyone if you avoid sounding dismissive of the skill level of the majority of players.

[Vxheous]

ScrapIron Prime, on 17 July 2021 - 06:13 AM, said:

Just remember, you guys are supposed to represent ALL the players, not just the ones with a 2.0 W/L ratio. It’s statistically impossible for a majority of players to get a 2.0 W/L, so I would advise avoiding language that gives the impression of being elitist.

I personally do not take offense because you have essentially just said I am not moderately good at this game… because I don’t have thin skin. But the Cauldron and other helpful folks will have a much easier time improving things for everyone if you avoid sounding dismissive of the skill level of the majority of players.

I'm not in the cauldron, and I don't represent anyone, other than myself. Saying that the vast majority of the players in this game is pretty average is not being dismissive of them, it's simply stating my opinion. There's also nothing wrong with being average, it just means you're average. I'm average at a lot of things (running being one of them, nothing wrong with that).

Edited by Vxheous, 17 July 2021 - 06:18 AM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

I counted you amongst the “and helpful folks” because you generally give good feedback and this is a very useful thread. Just saying.

[Verilligo]

I had a thought to debate your numbers because you are far and away from "moderately good," but I think the scale may be reasonable. Let me add my own numbers to give some context. I recently came back after having been away from the game for ~2 years or so and in the interim was reset from T1 all the way back to about 80% through T5. It took me about 68 games (W/L 2.29) to move from that point to T3. After a further 119 games (W/L 1.09), I am about to enter T2. I suspect it will take me a remaining 2-3 games to finish the climb into T2, so let's call it 190 games even. I had the advantage of not needing to skill or purchase my own mechs during the climb, which I suspect may have slowed me down, although maybe only by ~10-15%.

My impression from here is that I doubt the climb from T2 to T1 is going to be dramatically different from T3 to T2. I think 150-200 games is very optimistic for someone only "moderately good" at the game and is more representative of someone that is very good at the game and functioning wholly on their own. The difference between 200 games and 300-350 games, though, is... not enormous. Sure, it's a hundred more games, but that's like half a month of very moderate play. So the scale feels reasonable.

Edited by Verilligo, 17 July 2021 - 06:47 AM.

[Nightbird]

I'm not sure how someone with more than 10,000 games played, making an alt, and grinding to Tier 1 in 185 games, can be proof of anything other than someone else who has also played 10,000 games should also be able to grind to Tier 1 in 185 games?

If you want a real test, find a friend who has never played MW, coach him through solo QPing to Tier 1 in 185 games. That would be impressive.

[RickySpanish]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 05:33 AM, said:

I didn't talk to anyone, or drop command, maybe the occasional ggclose at the end of a game after I dunked the lobby. I think I played 3 games in a group when I first made the account, which was actually detrimental to the climb as I was in a trial Kodiak (pre mobility buff), and the 2 man group dragged me into tier 1 matchmaking. After those 3 games, I solo'ed the rest of the way.




When people say hundreds of games, they don't typically mean 200 games, they often talk about how each tier is at least 100 games or more. I'm also not talking about ordinary players, ordinary players belong in an ordinary tier, aka tier 3. Anyone that is moderately "good" at this game should be able to reach tier 1 between 150-250 games.

I think that's the issue - that people still think the number of games played ought to imply what rank they attain. Whereas of course it's quality over quantity that's required. The myth then, is that anyone can reach t1 with enough games played. Most people could, I think, but it takes a lot of experience for some from many games played, hence the "it takes hundreds of games".

[Pimply-Faced Youth]

Nightbird, on 17 July 2021 - 08:33 AM, said:

[..] someone else who has also played 10,000 games should also be able to grind to Tier 1 in 185 games?

If you want a real test, find a friend who has never played MW, coach him through solo QPing to Tier 1 in 185 games. That would be impressive.

Pretty much that. Tier 1, even IF you are good as BEGINNER is simply impossible. You have to dig through soooo much information. From Positioning to proper Mech Builds that work for you and so much more.
There is simply no way the normal (better Player) could ever realistically achieve that goal. I'd say not even close.

Even if ypu spoon feed everything to "your friend" who never played MWO, s/he will have a really hard time to get used to everything.

However, I also like to congratulate you to your achievement. 185 Drops and Tier 1 IS quite impressive nevertheless.

[r4plez]

185 is still hundreds last time i know

[Nightbird]

r4plez, on 17 July 2021 - 12:46 PM, said:

185 is still hundreds last time i know

It's grey, 200+ would be hundreds. That been said, the fact it took Vx 185 is pretty much evidence that areal newbie will take 200+. Myth confirmed.

[GuardDogg]

How I have heard/read those trying to get to T1. Not a good place to be [T1], or try. The salt is very strong.

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[PocketYoda]

I've played nearly 200 games since my name change.. Its also not hard to stay in tier 5 if you want to..

[Vxheous]

Nightbird, on 17 July 2021 - 02:18 PM, said:

It's grey, 200+ would be hundreds. That been said, the fact it took Vx 185 is pretty much evidence that areal newbie will take 200+. Myth confirmed.

The myth was that it can't be done, period, has nothing to do with new, old, experienced, etc. I never claimed that anyone could just up and do it, only that it could be done (and probably done even faster if I just stayed in a single chassis, probably sub 150 games)

When I made the alt account, I wanted to test out several things, one of which was how long it would take to climb from Tier 5 to Tier 1 as a good player. One of the other things I wanted to test was the new improved new player rewards, and being a completely free account, over 3 months at 185 games played, I have 8 mechs, one of which is a Deathstrike bought at 50% off with MC earned from just events.

Edited by Vxheous, 17 July 2021 - 06:04 PM.

[MadBede]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 05:33 AM, said:

When people say hundreds of games, they don't typically mean 200 games, they often talk about how each tier is at least 100 games or more. I'm also not talking about ordinary players, ordinary players belong in an ordinary tier, aka tier 3. Anyone that is moderately "good" at this game should be able to reach tier 1 between 150-250 games.

Thanks for letting me know i am crap. I see some fancy titles in your bio, from other pilots comments i clearly get you some kind of top dog n this game. Now ask yourself, how good you can be when you start to play with minimum or zero knowledge about game. No idea about builds, best mechs to pilot, etc. I bet you dont remember. Is T1 full of ppl like you? wasting time on Blood Asp farming 1k damage matches? If yes i think i stay in T3 with rest of "mongos". You dear sir most likely talented player but at same time you become elitist stat padder. I know one for sure after years of World of Tanks and World of Warships i dont want to play with ppl like you.
T3 *******..over and out

[Vxheous]

MadBede, on 18 July 2021 - 03:43 AM, said:

Thanks for letting me know i am crap. I see some fancy titles in your bio, from other pilots comments i clearly get you some kind of top dog n this game. Now ask yourself, how good you can be when you start to play with minimum or zero knowledge about game. No idea about builds, best mechs to pilot, etc. I bet you dont remember. Is T1 full of ppl like you? wasting time on Blood Asp farming 1k damage matches? If yes i think i stay in T3 with rest of "mongos". You dear sir most likely talented player but at same time you become elitist stat padder. I know one for sure after years of World of Tanks and World of Warships i dont want to play with ppl like you.
T3 *******..over and out

I didn't say you were crap, I said that if you were ordinary, then Tier 3 is appropriate for you to match against.

[Daneel Hazen]

Wow. You're awesome.

[Vxheous]

Daneel Hazen, on 18 July 2021 - 04:45 AM, said:

Wow. You're awesome.

I've won two MWO World Championships so I already knew that, but thanks!!