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[tinvictus]

I assumed the ala carte mechs were the individual mechs purchased in game. I may have been wrong about that.

[Krucilatoz]

Dousk, on 14 October 2021 - 09:05 AM, said:

*EDIT* nevermind, I managed to buy MC through Steam using the ingame "purchase mc" button (didn't work before but now its working, thanks for fixing that!)

The "purchase MC" button on the bottom left? Didn't work for me, all I got just a "connecting" alert then gone.


-yesirunmymwoonsteam-

[_AL_]

Where are the lootbags?

[Agent Super Chicken]

This is exciting, with new variants.
I was hoping it'd be like the loyalty program last year with drop-down menus, and the option to nab some Legendary quirked mechs that I normally wouldn't be able to get my hands on - any word if Santa's going to include some of that later this year?

[Clay Endfield]

Here's hoping the Viper packs a energy hardpoint in the CT and the 8 ballistic hardpoints are split between the left and right side torsos...

Cause otherwise, it's just another Viper.

[w0qj]

Proposal: "Ultimate-Plus Reward" for this 2021 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards.
Why? This US$70+ Ultimate Mech Packs is still the bread-and-butter revenue income for the foreseeable future.

1) Reward: one (1) mech of any choice from 2020 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards, including the (L) Loyalty mechs.
~Includes the STK-3FB(L) that others (see above) already want, and they have already bought Ultimate mech packs accordingly. [Discliamer: I myself already have STK-3FB(L), so I have no hidden agenda.]

2) Requirement: buy any two (2) Top-Tier Collection (IS or Clan Ultimate Mech Packs).
ie: requirements same as 2020 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards.

3) Reason:
This 2021 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards Programme may have single-handedly destroyed any motivation for MWO veterans (already have a lot of Hero & Special Mechs) in buying anymore Ultimate Mech Packs going forward for 2022 / 2023 / 2024 / 2025 (get the idea?).

I would suspect that in the longer term, this US$70+ Ultimate Mech Packs would still the bread-and-butter revenue income for the foreseeable future, should this US$70 Ultimate Mech Pack price structure remain unchanged.

As for the recent 4x Booster Packs, I would suspect that only US$20 Warden Booster Pack (MW2 camo/warhorn nostalgia, & DWF-C(S) with ECM CT +30% CBills bonus) would have significant "must buy" type of sale volume.

4) Therefore propose:
"Ultimate-Plus Reward" as above, for this 2021 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards.

Edited by w0qj, 15 October 2021 - 03:44 AM.

[Smyra]

Does the MechWarrior Online™ Solaris 7 Hero Pack from Steam will work/triger the PRIME REWARD or any other reward?

Edited by Smyra, 15 October 2021 - 12:23 AM.

[Horseman]

-LightningKats-, on 13 October 2021 - 06:39 PM, said:

What do you get for the ultimate reward?

Three C-Bill boosting cockpit items.

w0qj, on 13 October 2021 - 11:12 PM, said:

It's never been easier to qualify for the Ultimate Reward (which I'm hoping to be +CBills bonus Standing Cockpit items x3)!
[If above is true, this would synergise with the Styrker/Warden/Hunter/Predator packs' pre-order bonus of +CBills bonus Hanging Cockpit items!]

usually the Loyalty rewards included a warhorn. Could be the first boosted warhorn?
And I thought the packs had boosted standing items?

Jebovina, on 14 October 2021 - 01:54 AM, said:

I think there should be more in the ultimate reward. At least option to choose from loyalty mechs like last year, because there isnt way to obtain them.
I did same think exactly, of course i knew it would be different this year, and i am not saying it is bad, but i just expected at least one option to choose from loyalty mechs.

Agreed,

FupDup, on 14 October 2021 - 01:53 PM, said:

Stock layout is 1E in the LA, 2E in the RA, 1E and ECM in the LT.
The Urbie has preexisting geometry to add 2 extra energy hardpoints for inflation, assuming that it gets as many weapon hardpoints as other variants. They could add an extra laser to the LA and LT, or just put both extra lasers in the LA (I'm hoping for the former).
Or, they might only let it have 4-5 weapon hardpoints instead of the usual 6 because IS ECM mechs typically suffer hardpoint nerfs.

I don't think they will make it better than K9. 4E+ECM is all we'll get.

Enamillion89, on 14 October 2021 - 05:03 PM, said:

Which mechs are the “Ala Carte” mechs?

tinvictus, on 14 October 2021 - 05:48 PM, said:

I assumed the ala carte mechs were the individual mechs purchased in game. I may have been wrong about that.

As explained on the eligibility page:
**A la carte 'Mechs are only available for the Resistance 1 and Resistance 2 packs, the Clan Wave 1, Clan Wave 2, Clan Wave 3, and Origins IIC packs and can be found at the bottom of those pages.
Honestly, do not bother with the a la carte options - their pricing is not favourable. You can just grab any tier of any mech pack (or a standalone Resistance / Clan hero) and get the same loyalty reward.

w0qj, on 14 October 2021 - 08:25 PM, said:

2) Requirement: buy any two (2) Top-Tier Collection (IS or Clan Ultimate Mech Packs).
ie: requirements same as 2020 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards.

That is not the same requirement. The loyalty program did not actually require any Ultimate packs, the Top Tier reward was for two Collector packs or one full tiered mech pack.

This said, I'm all for at least one tier that allows you to pick from old Loyalty rewards. That is how I got a bunch of (L) mechs the past two years, nothing wrong with letting people catch up on ones they missed.

[Voice of Kerensky]

Thx, PGI!

[FupDup]

Horseman, on 15 October 2021 - 12:29 AM, said:

I don't think they will make it better than K9. 4E+ECM is all we'll get.

The K9 has a ballistic hardpoint; it's not just a laser boat even if that's how everybody and their dog uses it.

But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the ECM Urbie got no inflation.

[Wid1046]

I expect that if they give the R80 more hardpoint(s) that it'll be one ballistic. That way you can't do the K9 build on it and it won't have more hardpoints than the Street Cleaner.

I think it's even more likely though that they won't give it any extra hardpoints. PGI counts ECM as being an enormous benefit, so I think it's likely that they'll believe four energy is fine.

Edit: And really, I'd still be really excited to try out an ECM Urbie even if it only had 3 energy hardpoints. You can never have enough trash-cans, and one with a feature that the others don't have is even more desirable. Now all we'll need is a new hero urbie with masc, just for the laughs.

Edited by Wid1046, 15 October 2021 - 04:39 AM.

[w0qj]

For IS mechs, ECM counts as a weapons hardpoint, from empirical observations.

The most recent example:

Existing TDR-9SE, with 7 weapon hardpoints (5xEnergy, 2xMissile)
Stryker Pack TDR-10SE with ECM, with 6 weapon hardpoints (5xEnergy, 1xMissile).

I personally would suspect that ECM UrbanMech would lost "one" weapon hardpoint count.
The only question is, what weapons-type hardpoint would it lose?

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[Tangent_Warning]
Actually having a 2nd AMS hardpoint also count as a weapons hardpoint count as well, ie: you tend to lose 1x weapon hardpoint for having 2nd AMS option.

eg:
CRB-27 vs CRB-27B
[/Tangent_Warning]

[Wid1046]

w0qj, on 15 October 2021 - 06:48 AM, said:

For IS mechs, ECM counts as a weapons hardpoint, from empirical observations.

The most recent example:

Existing TDR-9SE, with 7 weapon hardpoints (5xEnergy, 2xMissile)
Stryker Pack TDR-10SE with ECM, with 6 weapon hardpoints (5xEnergy, 1xMissile).

I personally would suspect that ECM UrbanMech would lost "one" weapon hardpoint count.
The only question is, what weapons-type hardpoint would it lose?

- - - - - - - - - - -
[Tangent_Warning]
Actually having a 2nd AMS hardpoint also count as a weapons hardpoint count as well, ie: you tend to lose 1x weapon hardpoint for having 2nd AMS option.

eg:
CRB-27 vs CRB-27B
[/Tangent_Warning]

We're basing our guesses on the lore in Sarna. The UM-R80 has only 4 energy weapons in lore and we're wondering if it will either stay at 4 energy, or if it will get an extra weapon hardpoint of some sort. I cannot see PGI actually reducing the number of hardpoints as they have never done that before and it would break the stock loadout.

As for the TDR-10SE, it actually got one extra hardpoint over lore. It only has 4xEnergy, 1xMissile in Sarna. So this example would actually support the idea that PGI might add another hardpoint to the UM-R80, not that they might remove one.

[Pyrometheus]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 October 2021 - 10:00 AM, said:

How else do you redeem a qualifying pack? I don't get what you are asking. You said you bought gift codes for tournament supporter packs didn't you? If so, whoever redeems those gift codes would be eligible for the reward.



As per the post, you do not qualify for rewards by purchasing a gift code. Whoever redeems those gift codes DOES qualify.

Gas Guzzler, on 14 October 2021 - 10:00 AM, said:

How else do you redeem a qualifying pack?

By redeeming a pack one did not purchase. As the Prime Reward tier is currently worded, it indicates that purchasing alone is a qualifying act. Which, if your interpretation is correct, is later amended out by a rider.

It seems to me they could have just worded it

Have redeemed Any New Player pack, Bundle, Dropship Deal, Complete Collection, Tournament Supporter pack, ala carte Mech, Mech Pack of any level or mech pack reinforcement on MWO or Steam.

if that is the case. No?

[Gas Guzzler]

Pyrometheus, on 15 October 2021 - 07:20 AM, said:

By redeeming a pack one did not purchase. As the Prime Reward tier is currently worded, it indicates that purchasing alone is a qualifying act. Which, if your interpretation is correct, is later amended out by a rider.

It seems to me they could have just worded it

Have redeemed Any New Player pack, Bundle, Dropship Deal, Complete Collection, Tournament Supporter pack, ala carte Mech, Mech Pack of any level or mech pack reinforcement on MWO or Steam.

if that is the case. No?

I think they wrote it as if the most common case was somebody straight purchasing the pack for themselves, as that is probably the more common case. The gift code case is likely less common, so the note at the end serves to clarify that special case.

[w0qj]

1. "IMPORTANT: Gifted packages and gifted MC are eligible for the player who REDEEMED the gift."
https://mwomercs.com/profile/content

2. Any purchase in the "Gift Store" generates a Redemption Code by email back to the purchaser:
https://mwomercs.com/store/gifts

MWO always mark the account redeeming the redemption code as the account that actually enjoys the benefits.
Hence Annual (Loyalty) Reward Programme counts the account which redeemed the gift.

3a. One cannot buy New Player Pack (Inner Sphere) from the "Gift Store".
Believe me, I myself asked for this feature, but it was never implemented.

Hence one cannot "redeem the code" for New Player Pack (Inner Sphere); it's not possible at this time.

3b. Actual experience from Christmas 2020:

Buying the "Vapor Eagle" Ultimate Pack is not the same as buying the "Vapor Eagle" pack from the Gift Store.
https://mwomercs.com/vapor-eagle
https://mwomercs.com/store/gifts

The "Vapor Eagle" Ultimate Pack also gives you 60 days active Premium Time, Warhorns, Hanging/Standing Cockpit Items, Title/Badge. The Gift Store purchase for "Vapor Eagle" does not yield these goodies.

This suggest that to MWO purchase mechanics, the "Vapor Eagle" Gift Store purchase may not be marked as Ultimate Pack.

Edited by w0qj, 15 October 2021 - 07:45 AM.

[Dousk]

Enamillion89, on 14 October 2021 - 03:54 PM, said:

What the….. Earlier today it said I was qualified for 3 out of 5 of the Annual rewards.. now I’m only qualified for 2 out of 5!?

Yeah, looks like they changed something.. yesterday I was eligible for 4 out of 5 prizes, now I'm only good for 2 out of 5..

Krucilatoz, on 14 October 2021 - 06:33 PM, said:

The "purchase MC" button on the bottom left? Didn't work for me, all I got just a "connecting" alert then gone.

-yesirunmymwoonsteam-

Yeap, the yellow one on the bottom left, it opens your mwo profile page in the steam browser then you can choose the amount of mc to buy

Smyra, on 15 October 2021 - 12:23 AM, said:

Does the MechWarrior Online™ Solaris 7 Hero Pack from Steam will work/triger the PRIME REWARD or any other reward?

It should.. its actually the only pack you can buy on Steam (wich is sad) and they do mention Steam in the description for the prime reward: "mech pack reinforcement on MWO or Steam"

Edited by Dousk, 15 October 2021 - 10:34 AM.

[Buenaventura]

Clay Endfield, on 14 October 2021 - 08:05 PM, said:

Here's hoping the Viper packs a energy hardpoint in the CT and the 8 ballistic hardpoints are split between the left and right side torsos...

Cause otherwise, it's just another Viper.

It kinda is:
1 ERML in each torso section, so RT/CT/LT each get an energy hardpoint.
4 HMGs in each arm, so RA/LA each get four ballistic hardpoints (probably, the machine gun array doesn't exist in MWO)
JJ distribution is 2 in each RT/LT/RL/LL.

Quirks will be the interesting part about this one.

[Pyrometheus]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 October 2021 - 07:38 AM, said:

I think they wrote it as if the most common case was somebody straight purchasing the pack for themselves, as that is probably the more common case. The gift code case is likely less common, so the note at the end serves to clarify that special case.

You're probably right and that actually helps crystallize what I've actually been trying to get at here, though up to now I have poorly stated it so, let me re-frame what I'm getting at which less about semantics of the tier wording, and more about what I perceive to be the spirit, or goal, of the annual rewards system:

The aim of the annual rewards is (IMO) for PGI to recognize those players and customers who use and support their product, in this case, MWO.

The structure of the rewards allows PGI to reward everyone who has played their game for a given time period, and goes on to offer further recognize & reward to those who have spent real world currency on their product.

I am sure there are others out there in a similar position as myself and the actual amount of packs purchased is beside the point, but in this case, I purchased several qualifying packs which I then gave away as gifts. But whether it was one pack or several, my *purchase* should be no less worthy of recognition than another *purchase* which was then redeemed by that purchaser.

I honestly don't mind if If they want to reward a player who simply redeemed a pack they received without purchasing it; more power to them.

However, I spent as much for each pack, as everyone else. If the goal is to recognize and reward customers for spending money on qualifying product - then PGI needs to fix the Prime Rewards tier to account for *purchasing* said product, regardless of redemption.

[ScrapIron Prime]

And dont' forget... the SALE that starts tomorrow gives you 30% off buying a mech and 30% more MC... both of which you need to get the big loyalty reward this year!