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[pbiggz]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:09 AM, said:

I don't have to be a criminal to know that crime is wrong.

This guy's a fed!

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:09 AM, said:

My perspective as a competent Assault mech pilot grants me the authority to speak with some gravitas on the matter. Light mechs stuffing themselves under my knees, shooting my pee-pee over and over again where I cannot even find them is definitely broken, if not a bit comical. It ceases being amusing however, around the 112th time.

Have you considered shooting the lights? It's more effective than you think.

[1453 R]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:09 AM, said:

I don't have to be a criminal to know that crime is wrong. My perspective as a competent Assault mech pilot grants me the authority to speak with some gravitas on the matter. Light mechs stuffing themselves under my knees, shooting my pee-pee over and over again where I cannot even find them is definitely broken, if not a bit comical. It ceases being amusing however, around the 112th time.

Anyone who seriously complains about crotchsniffing lights is kinda showing their inability to gauge the game seriously. Crotch-sniffing is a low-tier tactic employed by the dumb or the desperate; it only works against the fattest, slowest of assault 'Mechs, and only if that assault 'Mech is so badly out of position that nobody else is around to shoot the light. Because crotch-sniffing requires the light 'Mech to more-or-less stand still, giving up all its advantages of speed and agility, to try and glue itself under the assault 'Mech's arc of fire, and then pray to Robot Jesus that the assault 'Mech in question didn't bother with arm-mounted weapons.

I will never forget the game in my Night Gyr in which a Locust tried to crotchsniff me on Plexus Conquest, only for me to call to my buddy Maker (also on the point) in a hokey Joker impression: "Hey Maker! Watch me make this Lawlcust...disappear" right before turning off arm lock, dropping my gauss down below my easy sightline, and plugging two shells square into the thing's spine for an easy solo kill. It was beautiful, and also demonstrated the utter futility of the tactic - and I'm a low-tier tater with no talent.

If you're consistently getting crotchsniffed to death, that's a you issue, not a 'light 'Mech' issue. You can want light 'Mechs to be cheap, disposable free kills for "real" 'MechWarriors all you want, but that don't make it true.

[Vyx]

pbiggz, on 09 December 2021 - 07:14 AM, said:

Have you considered shooting the lights? It's more effective than you think.

1453 R, on 09 December 2021 - 07:28 AM, said:

<noise>

I believe my stats speak for me.

Edited by Vyx, 09 December 2021 - 07:37 AM.

[1453 R]

Heh. Man, it's funny to see someone tryin'a stat-shame me when half the previous page was the same someone completely flouting everyone else saying "your stats say you have no idea what you're talking about".

Which is it, Vyx? Do stats speak for people and thus your complete lack of light 'Mech experience means you should clamp it? Or do words do the speaking and you'll have to actually argue your point with logic, observations, and reasonable discourse?

[Vyx]

1453 R, on 09 December 2021 - 07:37 AM, said:

Heh. Man, it's funny to see someone tryin'a stat-shame me when half the previous page was the same someone completely flouting everyone else saying "your stats say you have no idea what you're talking about".

Which is it, Vyx? Do stats speak for people and thus your complete lack of light 'Mech experience means you should clamp it? Or do words do the speaking and you'll have to actually argue your point with logic, observations, and reasonable discourse?

You do you. As I said before: Nothing we say here amounts to anything.

And, as a point of note, I said nothing about your stats. Only mine.

Edited by Vyx, 09 December 2021 - 07:40 AM.

[martian]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:09 AM, said:

I don't have to be a criminal to know that crime is wrong.

Wow! I have not known that piloting a light 'Mech is a crime.

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:09 AM, said:

My perspective as a competent Assault mech pilot grants me the authority to speak with some gravitas on the matter. Light mechs stuffing themselves under my knees, shooting my pee-pee over and over again where I cannot even find them is definitely broken, if not a bit comical. It ceases being amusing however, around the 112th time.

It is interesting that other Assault 'Mech pilots can shoot light 'Mechs quite successfully. Have you thought about adjusting your loadouts, tactics, or both?

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:09 AM, said:

Light mechs stuffing themselves under my knees, shooting my pee-pee over and over again where I cannot even find them is definitely broken, if not a bit comical. It ceases being amusing however, around the 112th time.

I remember that it was in June or July when many Assault 'Mechs had their pitch and yaw angles enhanced in order to better shoot light 'Mechs.

[pbiggz]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:39 AM, said:

You do you. As I said before: Nothing we say here amounts to anything.

And, as a point of note, I said nothing about your stats. Only mine.

You're the one trying (and failing) to make an argument here. You're asserting a significant balancing issue with lights exist, but refusing to back it up with anything except for anecdotes about how you can't personally shoot them. When people point out why that might be wrong, you say nothing here amounts to anything, but you're the one who was trying to make the argument.

Why should anyone here take you seriously?

[1453 R]

Not how forum discussions work, Vyx. You don't get to make claims, then say "Oh, this doesn't matter anyways, do whatever" and then deuce out with lordly disdain. You make claims, back 'em up or watch 'em get knocked down.

Light 'Mechs are not screwed up. They're not broken. They're not overpowered. Light 'Mechs are hated because they show a player exactly how inadequate they are - both when the player is shooting at one, and when the player is piloting one. Light 'Mechs strip away all the ******** and say "how good are you when your 'Mech isn't compensating for your problems?" The answer to that, for the majority of MWO players, is "heckin' terrible", and so players hate dealing with lights. They want to keep pretending they're better than they are, so every time they die to a Commando with eight SRM tubes and a big shiny brass set'a, they come onto the forums and start some new dumpster fire thread about how lights are just the worst.

Not because lights are awful. But because lights remind them that they are awful, and they can't deal with that.

[Aivazovsky]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 06:02 AM, said:

I consider myself pretty much an exclusive assault mech pilot, and my stats bear that out.

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:31 AM, said:

I believe my stats speak for me.

Why are you talking about your stats? Do you think you're good because you have matchscore above average?

Your stats (in particular, W / L for this year) indicate that you do not understand how to pilot an assault efficiently. You may be a good individual fighter, but in understanding positioning you have serious problems cause you more often lead the team to defeat than to win. Perhaps you are hiding too much. Or you walk in the dark corners of the map. Or vice versa, you are too aggressive.I love assaults mechs, and i think that having W / L less 1 is not a skill... Try 15,000 more games, before talking about lights.

Edited by Aivazovsky, 09 December 2021 - 08:02 AM.

[Vyx]

I have an opinion that is different than yours. Get over it. You won't get me to back down, or to rescind my comments.

I have described my viewpoint in no uncertain terms. I have used some mild humor. Take it or leave it.

You have said my tactics and my skills obviously need work, and that's why lights get the best of me. I have shown you by my statistics over several years that I do adapt, and that I perform at a fairly high level. Why you then wouldn't consider my perspective as possibly having some merit is beyond me.

My opinion is valid, regardless of your browbeating and trolling. Go stuff yourselves, forum warriors.

Edited by Vyx, 09 December 2021 - 12:43 PM.

[pbiggz]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 08:05 AM, said:

I have an opinion that is different that you. Get over it. You wont get me to back down, or rescind my comments.

I have described my viewpoint in no uncertain terms. I have used some mild humor. Take it or leave it.

You came in here guns blazing saying a bunch of made up garbage, and we've explained why it shouldn't be taken seriously. You're not being trolled. You're just wrong.

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 08:05 AM, said:

My opinion is valid, regardless of your browbeating and trolling. Go stuff yourselves.

No it's not. That's not how arguments work.

Edited by pbiggz, 09 December 2021 - 08:09 AM.

[Vyx]

You have explained how I should not be taken seriously by explaining how you think I shouldn't be taken seriously. Nothing but opinion ... just like me. As you say: That's not how arguments work.

Honestly, get a life. Allow people their own take on things. It's a mark of maturity.

Edited by Vyx, 09 December 2021 - 08:17 AM.

[pbiggz]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 08:14 AM, said:

You have explained how I should not be taken seriously by explaining how you think I shouldn't be taken seriously. Nothing but opinion ... just like me. As you say: That's not how arguments work.

Honestly, get a life. Allow people their take on things. It's a mark of maturity.

I backed my argument up. You've failed to do so.

Introspection is a mark of maturity. You dont seem particularly willing to engage in it.

[1453 R]

An opinion can be valid and incorrect at the same time. You can't use "that's just, like...an opinion, maaaan" as an argument tactic. You have an opinion, I have an opinion, errybuddy has an opinion. The question isn't whether people have opinions, it's "which stance is closest to correct, based on observable facts and trends within the game?"

Thus far, observable facts and trends point strongly to the idea that light 'Mechs got all those buffs you hate because they needed them. Because they underperform badly, especially with the existence of numerous medium 'Mechs that can fulfill the fast, agile striker role better than most light 'Mechs. Assassins, Vulcans, Black Lanners, the occasional up-engined Phoenix Hawk...they all fulfill much the same role as a combat light 'Mech, but with vastly more armor and often better firepower. You see this in competition matches all the time - very few light 'mechs ever make the cut, and usually light 'Mechs are only included because the competition format demand they be included. When they are, you often see Fleas or Commandos because they free up tonnage for the rest of a comp team to use elsewhere whilst being acceptably useful for objective scampering, but you almost never see those 'Mechs seriously engaging larger targets. Not alone, anyways.

Damage has risen drastically over the years. A typical modern assault alpha can mission-kill just about any unquirked light and will cripple most mediums and some heavies. All those defensive buffs are a counterweight to seventy-point laser burns or thirty-DPS dakka boats. Light 'Mechs, even with their quirks, are effectively neutered as threats by one solid whack from anything much above sixty tons. That isn't my opinion - that's independently verifiable fact.

Provide some independently verifiable facts of your own, or kindly stop spreading misinformation please.

[pattonesque]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 07:31 AM, said:

I believe my stats speak for me.

you're a good pilot! Here's a stat though: lights have the lowest win rate and average match score of the four classes

Edited by pattonesque, 09 December 2021 - 08:24 AM.

[Vyx]

None of us have any data on this topic but personal experience. I, against my better judgement, vocalized mine. You vocalized yours. There is no "winner". That is up to the readers to decide. And yes, it is a mark of maturity to allow others to put forth their own experiences and opinions. Never have I stated your experiences and antidotes were invalid. If you experienced them, then fine.

But calling my experiences "wrong" and disparaging my gameplay (while having never played with me, to my knowledge), is juvenile. You don't have to "win" this debate, you know. You can just voice your opinion and move on. Like I have.

Edited by Vyx, 09 December 2021 - 12:45 PM.

[pbiggz]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 08:25 AM, said:

Like I have.

Have you? Because you're still here.

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 08:25 AM, said:

None of us have any data on this topic but personal experience.

pattonesque, on 09 December 2021 - 08:23 AM, said:

you're a good pilot! Here's a stat though: lights have the lowest win rate and average match score of the four classes

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

so.. without piloting ANY lights AT ALL, you can safely state that they're too good, especially against the 1 class you DO play.
interesting.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 09 December 2021 - 08:37 AM, said:

so.. without piloting ANY lights AT ALL, you can safely state that they're too good, especially against the 1 class you DO play.
interesting.

Sir, the enemy appears to be shooting BACK at us! Are they allowed to do that?

[Brauer]

Vyx, on 09 December 2021 - 02:48 AM, said:

This game has been around for 8 years. It was clear 4 years ago that it will no longer be invested in by the developers. All &quot;balance&quot; attempts will be performed now by an elite team of player &quot;experts&quot; and we should be happy we have even that. But don't expect our benevolent overlords will hear your concerns. They know best. And they will build their game. Not yours.

Cauldron members frequently read the forums and consider feedback provided here and in other channels. If we didn't I wouldn't be writing this to you now. If you'd like to check my stats you can see I have been playing assaults more than anything else lately. I don't find lights to be at all OP at the moment. They're a high risk high reward weight class.