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[Athom83]

MechaGnome, on 16 December 2021 - 11:11 PM, said:

If you aren't getting at least 700 damage and 2 kills a match with an assault you are not doing it right.

700 damage with spread weapons like LRMs or MRMs =/= 700 pinpoint damage with ACs or PPCs =/= 700 burn damage with lasers.

I can take my Marauder 2HP out with a butt ton of LRMs and MRMs and pull 700 damage out of my ***, but doing something like 550 damage with my Nightstar with 4 UACs is usually a lot more impactful on the match as a whole because all of that damage is usually put right into a single component I wanted dead instead of splashing on the still armored arms, legs, and other components at the same time. And when I do 700+ damage with the Nightstar it usually means I pretty much singlehandedly stomped half the enemy team.

Abisha, on 17 December 2021 - 07:43 AM, said:

if you can't understand the facts don't bother us with it.

Stats speak no lies
Dario03 (5 K/D per match (favor mech) lights
Maddermax (mostly use Lights)
Sjorpha (mostly use Heavy Mechs)
Justcallme ASH (mostly use Heavy mechs)
Martian (mostly mediums)

see nothing but **** out of your people mouth

Okay, so how about me?

Edited by Athom83, 17 December 2021 - 04:53 PM.

[Doppelsoldner King Crab]

mainly assault player here, but favorite is the 75ton mad-3r and mad-iic (a?).

i play assaults since they are fun and challenging for me.
there is absolutely no room for error.
you fall behind / get in the wrong position, you get wolf packed.
you peek blindly, suddenly 4 mechs are shooting at you and your reverse gear is so slow.
enemy deploys uav near you, it takes forever to get clear of incoming lrms.
you let a light hug you, good luck shooting that.
you push at the wrong time / you push and your team doesn't - get exploded in the face in seconds.

at the end of the day, after a hard day's work, despite with all these disadvantages
i find myself sitting in front of my home pc and say to myself
"i want to ride my big stompy robot and shoot somebody"

there's no feeling like riding 100-ton mech putting all my dakka, laser and missiles and let it all out
let the stress of the day out, fire all weapons
wait in a corner, get the timing right, GO for the big push, face-to-face, all RaCs/UaCs shooting, missiles flying, lasers buzzing

in the end we play what we enjoy playing.
i respect lights and mediums having a higher skill ceiling -twitch first person shooting skills, but assaults are of a different skill
tactics, positioning, timing, group dynamics, weapon knowledge and loadouts

[Maddermax]

justcallme A S H, on 17 December 2021 - 03:36 PM, said:

How do you explain these facts then?








As I stated.

Assaults are the best performing class

The numbers and data above prove this.

Stop making completely false and sensationalist comments without proof to back yourself up. I've provided my facts... Are you going to provide yours?

I'll wait.

It kind of makes me wonder what happened between seasons 30 and season 45 that suddenly reduced the disparity between the classes? Agility rebuffs/buffs or Matchmaking changes perhaps?

I realise it’s between 0.85 and 1.1 because of the axis labelling, so it’s not as dramatic as it looks like, but there’s still an obvious difference for those seasons.

Edited by Maddermax, 17 December 2021 - 08:56 PM.

[Kanil]

Athom83, on 17 December 2021 - 04:53 PM, said:

700 damage with spread weapons like LRMs or MRMs =/= 700 pinpoint damage with ACs or PPCs =/= 700 burn damage with lasers.

Honestly, if you're averaging 700 damage and 2 kills a match, I really don't give a damn what weapon you're using. It's probably not LRMs, but if it is, I'm still really impressed.

[Abisha]

justcallme A S H, on 17 December 2021 - 03:36 PM, said:

How do you explain these facts then?








As I stated.

Assaults are the best performing class

The numbers and data above prove this.

Stop making completely false and sensationalist comments without proof to back yourself up. I've provided my facts... Are you going to provide yours?

I'll wait.

easy,

average score means a few things.

1.
Pgi made it more easy to gain score points
2.
only better and better people are left to play the game

how i get this conclusion?.
you can see a rise from Light to assault (a rising trend) this means more points exist (if points are same 3 out of 4 should lower)

K/D ratio.
assaults carry obvious more weapons so higher DPS output (also you can see a 1.000 to 1.100) that also backup the fact that yea they carry 12 ton more weapons but you not see a 1.000 compare to 2.000 (which would be a full kill)
this also backups by Average score (bit more dps then average results)

also stats from the past do not guarantee future predictions

Athom83, on 17 December 2021 - 04:53 PM, said:

700 damage with spread weapons like LRMs or MRMs =/= 700 pinpoint damage with ACs or PPCs =/= 700 burn damage with lasers.

I can take my Marauder 2HP out with a butt ton of LRMs and MRMs and pull 700 damage out of my ***, but doing something like 550 damage with my Nightstar with 4 UACs is usually a lot more impactful on the match as a whole because all of that damage is usually put right into a single component I wanted dead instead of splashing on the still armored arms, legs, and other components at the same time. And when I do 700+ damage with the Nightstar it usually means I pretty much singlehandedly stomped half the enemy team.


Okay, so how about me?

you used to play more assaults in the past then you do today
meaning your less likely take a assault into the game (declining trend)

Maddermax, on 17 December 2021 - 08:54 PM, said:

It kind of makes me wonder what happened between seasons 30 and season 45 that suddenly reduced the disparity between the classes? Agility rebuffs/buffs or Matchmaking changes perhaps?

I realise it’s between 0.85 and 1.1 because of the axis labelling, so it’s not as dramatic as it looks like, but there’s still an obvious difference for those seasons.

might be that PIR mech was being released that time?.

[martian]

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 01:15 AM, said:

Maddermax, on 17 December 2021 - 08:54 PM, said:

It kind of makes me wonder what happened between seasons 30 and season 45 that suddenly reduced the disparity between the classes? Agility rebuffs/buffs or Matchmaking changes perhaps?

I realise it’s between 0.85 and 1.1 because of the axis labelling, so it’s not as dramatic as it looks like, but there’s still an obvious difference for those seasons.

might be that PIR mech was being released that time?.

Season 30 was January 2019.

The Piranha was unleashed in January 2018, i.e. one full year earlier.

It seems to me that people really blame light 'Mechs for everything.

[Sjorpha]

Abisha, on 17 December 2021 - 07:43 AM, said:

if you can't understand the facts don't bother us with it.

Stats speak no lies
Dario03 (5 K/D per match (favor mech) lights
Maddermax (mostly use Lights)
Sjorpha (mostly use Heavy Mechs)
Justcallme ASH (mostly use Heavy mechs)
Martian (mostly mediums)

see nothing but **** out of your people mouth

This is a really weird response.

Preference is one thing, performance is another. Just because some people play other classes more doesn't mean they do better in them. It also doesn't change the fact that assaults the strongest class statistically.

Assaults are not my most played weight class (although I do play them quite a lot) , but it IS my best performing one.

Aslo keep in mind that people who drop a lot in groups are constrained by weight limits, which means a lot of the time assaults are not on the table for them because the other group members might want some tonnage too.

[LordNothing]

to get that yellow line up perhaps buff scout equipment and increase the points for using it. id even opt for something like class specific reward weights to emphasize a certain playstyle. probibly would not be all lights, just lights that are not blatant attack units. and of course certain assault mechs when used by players of a certain faction.

[justcallme A S H]

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 01:15 AM, said:

easy,

average score means a few things.

1.
Pgi made it more easy to gain score points
2.
only better and better people are left to play the game

how i get this conclusion?.
you can see a rise from Light to assault (a rising trend) this means more points exist (if points are same 3 out of 4 should lower)

K/D ratio.
assaults carry obvious more weapons so higher DPS output (also you can see a 1.000 to 1.100) that also backup the fact that yea they carry 12 ton more weapons but you not see a 1.000 compare to 2.000 (which would be a full kill)
this also backups by Average score (bit more dps then average results)

also stats from the past do not guarantee future predictions


you used to play more assaults in the past then you do today
meaning your less likely take a assault into the game (declining trend).

I asked you to provide some data to support your claims.

So far I've provided data to completely dispel your fake news, yet again.

Are you going to provide anything to back up your side of the discussion? Like, at all?

I'll wait.

[Abisha]

justcallme A S H, on 18 December 2021 - 05:22 AM, said:

I asked you to provide some data to support your claims.

So far I've provided data to completely dispel your fake news, yet again.

Are you going to provide anything to back up your side of the discussion? Like, at all?

I'll wait.

unfortunate The Jarl's list do not allow to abstract data for good analyses so i have to extract data per individual player
but i did look at the daily Quick play's and see that Heavy is 50% compare to 24% assaults over the last few weeks

but i did supported my claims with reasonable backup. the funfest thing your opinion on this matter is less then "validated"
you have very high personal reasons to posse the claims because your have must to gain from spreading lies.

[justcallme A S H]

You have not in any way supported your claims. You are expressing opinion and it is wrong, yet again.

Assaults out perform ALL other weight classes to this day. This is FACT.

Until you prove otherwise, you are wrong.

Once again you have shown you just cannot be taken seriously.

[Abisha]

justcallme A S H, on 18 December 2021 - 05:58 AM, said:

You have not in any way supported your claims. You are expressing opinion and it is wrong, yet again.

Assaults out perform ALL other weight classes to this day. This is FACT.

Until you prove otherwise, you are wrong.

Once again you have shown you just cannot be taken seriously.

funny statement from someone that play 47% of his matches in a Heavy.....
A butcher who approves his own meat

only one here that cant be trusted on this matter is you my follow warrior.

[martian]

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 05:46 AM, said:

unfortunate The Jarl's list do not allow to abstract data for good analyses so i have to extract data per individual player
but i did look at the daily Quick play's and see that Heavy is 50% compare to 24% assaults over the last few weeks

I can tell you a secret or two: The number of heavy 'Mechs in the Quick Play queue is high and it is going to stay high .....

.... because some players have bought the new 'Mech Pack and now they are skilling up those 'Mechs. Without any doubt other players will buy it in the coming days and weeks, either for themselves or as a gift for their friends (and girlfriends).

And let us not forget that many players have won the Cauldron-Born B in the last challenge and now they are working on this Clan heavy OmniMech too. I would even guess that the Cauldron-Born has become the daily 'Mech for many MWO players.

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 05:46 AM, said:

but i did supported my claims with reasonable backup. the funfest thing your opinion on this matter is less then "validated"
you have very high personal reasons to posse the claims because your have must to gain from spreading lies.

I have checked justcallme A S H's posts in this thread and I have found no lies in them.
So what lies are you talking about?

[Abisha]

martian, on 18 December 2021 - 06:13 AM, said:

I can tell you a secret or two: The number of heavy 'Mechs in the Quick Play queue is high and it is going to stay high .....

.... because some players have bought the new 'Mech Pack and now they are skilling up those 'Mechs. Without any doubt other players will buy it in the coming days and weeks, either for themselves or as a gift for their friends (and girlfriends).

And let us not forget that many players have won the Cauldron-Born B in the last challenge and now they are working on this Clan heavy OmniMech too. I would even guess that the Cauldron-Born has become the daily 'Mech for many MWO players.



I have checked justcallme A S H's posts in this thread and I have found no lies in them.
So what lies are you talking about?

Post 71
Assaults out perform ALL other weight classes to this day[color=#959595]. This is FACT.[/color]

Fact, as if that's the case then why are there not like 90% QP matches to back up the so called fact
and the funny thing he even play less assaults his so called claim. because there is alternative motives behind it

alternative motives
if people play with a less good mech he can kill them more easy, and win a lot more easy
reason enough to spread lies.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 06:05 AM, said:

funny statement from someone that play 47% of his matches in a Heavy.....
A butcher who approves his own meat

I’m sorry, but that’s a particularly obtuse statement. Just because a player uses a mech a lot is not an indication that the mech is “top performing”, only that they like it.

My stats show that I’m trending mostly medium mechs in the past 5 months, not because I think the Shadowhawk is the ultimate power in the mechiverse but because they’re fun to play. (And because new HPG affords delicious opportunity to farm snipers that separate from their team…)

No, the indication of what mech class is strongest is found on the graph with the squiggly colored lines that is all over this discussion. You know… actual statistical proof.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

interesting sidenote; got nothing to do with the claims floating around here, and I can't be arsed to contribute to that, as numbers speak for themselves. @assaults/MS/DMG/KDR
but here's a funny thing:

you have three guesses what class he runs exclusively in the season he did best.
Jarls is such a great thing

[Temuedschin40]

Okay, seems like what Abisha wants here is validation from assault mains.
Well then my fellow assault players, rise up and share your Jarls e-peen.

Feel free to check my mech class distribution, as just in the last 4 seasons I played 56, 86, 100 and 73% assaults, respectively.
In fact, my overall usage of assaults over the years has gone way up as I gained more knowledge, game sense, and improved mechanics.
I don't see myself as particularly competent (at any weight class, really) just yet, but farming solo queue, for me, is by far the easiest in a decent assault.

I can assure you, and any high-level assault player will do the same, that the weight class is miles away from weak right now.

In fact, they became a lot better since Cauldron balance (thank god for the work these people are doing).
Looking at the past ~2 years, assaults were rarely used (especially in comp) for lack of build variety, as only cERPPCs and IS MPLs were the main strong weapons back then.
Now, the recent weapon changes made assaults a lot more usable, as having the most weapon payload tonnage means being able to run the greatest amount of different builds.

If you feel assaults are weak right now, that simply means you have to learn more about how to build and play them.
So I suggest you ask concrete questions about how you can do better, instead of making false assumptions about an entire weight class you don't seem to fully understand yet.

[Abisha]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 18 December 2021 - 06:31 AM, said:

interesting sidenote; got nothing to do with the claims floating around here, and I can't be arsed to contribute to that, as numbers speak for themselves. @assaults/MS/DMG/KDR
but here's a funny thing:

you have three guesses what class he runs exclusively in the season he did best.
Jarls is such a great thing

you can see at Jarl's that you play for fun, you can't compare people (like you) that just play a few matches a day or months in-between with someone that's play hardcore like Justcallme ASH

people like him try to gain the upper hand even on the smallest gains he don't play for fun, but to win.
so he will use the best build, best mech, the static wise weapons etc. see the point?.

so he also have the most personal reason to claim certain things.

Temuedschin40, on 18 December 2021 - 06:40 AM, said:

Okay, seems like what Abisha wants here is validation from assault mains.
Well then my fellow assault players, rise up and share your Jarls e-peen.

Feel free to check my mech class distribution, as just in the last 4 seasons I played 56, 86, 100 and 73% assaults, respectively.
In fact, my overall usage of assaults over the years has gone way up as I gained more knowledge, game sense, and improved mechanics.
I don't see myself as particularly competent (at any weight class, really) just yet, but farming solo queue, for me, is by far the easiest in a decent assault.

I can assure you, and any high-level assault player will do the same, that the weight class is miles away from weak right now.

In fact, they became a lot better since Cauldron balance (thank god for the work these people are doing).
Looking at the past ~2 years, assaults were rarely used (especially in comp) for lack of build variety, as only cERPPCs and IS MPLs were the main strong weapons back then.
Now, the recent weapon changes made assaults a lot more usable, as having the most weapon payload tonnage means being able to run the greatest amount of different builds.

If you feel assaults are weak right now, that simply means you have to learn more about how to build and play them.
So I suggest you ask concrete questions about how you can do better, instead of making false assumptions about an entire weight class you don't seem to fully understand yet.

your opinion is validated at least you play a assault.

[martian]

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 06:26 AM, said:

Post 71
Assaults out perform ALL other weight classes to this day[color=#959595]. This is FACT.[/color]

Fact, as if that's the case then why are there not like 90% QP matches to back up the so called fact
and the funny thing he even play less assaults his so called claim. because there is alternative motives behind it

What accurate stats can you show to support your claim about "90% QP matches"?

Abisha, on 18 December 2021 - 06:26 AM, said:

alternative motives
if people play with a less good mech he can kill them more easy, and win a lot more easy
reason enough to spread lies.

So you think that he is spreading lies to persuade players to play inferior Assault 'Mechs, so he can farm them when piloting his powerful heavy 'Mech?

Your reasoning has only one flaw: Assault 'Mechs really are the best performing class of 'Mechs in MWO. Thus, piloting light, medium and heavy 'Mechs (as many posters in this thread do) means that such player has to work harder to overcome his handicap of using a lighter, less powerful and less protected 'Mech.

[Abisha]

martian, on 18 December 2021 - 06:53 AM, said:

What accurate stats can you show to support your claim about "90% QP matches"?



So you think that he is spreading lies to persuade players to play inferior Assault 'Mechs, so he can farm them when piloting his powerful heavy 'Mech?

Your reasoning has only one flaw: Assault 'Mechs really are the best performing class of 'Mechs in MWO. Thus, piloting light, medium and heavy 'Mechs (as many posters in this thread do) means that such player has to work harder to overcome his handicap of using a lighter, less powerful and less protected 'Mech.

unfortunate nothing i did not documented the QT status distributions
also i not sure if it's even possible need to make multi screenshots a day somehow put it into a spreadsheet and then it's still only a spreadsheet made by me.