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[PocketYoda]

Horseman, on 27 December 2021 - 01:30 AM, said:

Mmm. So you're not seeing any connection between those definitions and someone who has a habit of posting long-winded rambling rants that have no connection with reality, starting shitfits when he gets called out on it, proclaiming the whole community as toxic because it refuses to service his ego and now posted another long-winded rant where he pretends to leave the game in order to score pity points from gullible shmucks?

No because those rants are accurate, not your constant school girl hate mongering.. of literally anyone that disagrees with your inner circle of yes men.

[justcallme A S H]

Nomad Tech, on 26 December 2021 - 09:07 PM, said:

Drama queens.. Like ASH, Bud and pbiggz and their jolly fanbase.. The community that constantly attack people on these forums if anyone disagrees with their sorority sisters.

Samial, Mechagnome - the renames aren't gonna save you from your very obvious bias when you post.


If pointing out gaming holes in peoples argument(s) (especially yours) is, attacking, it sounds like you just don't like being told you are wrong. And we know you've been pointed out to be wrong many, many times and do not like it. So... Here is a free piece of advice.

Stop trying to mislead people, make completely false claims. Guess what will happen next?

People will stop calling you out on it. As if by some fairy magic if you stop, it won't happen as you're one of the main misinformation spreaders around here these days.

[Horseman]

Nomad Tech, on 27 December 2021 - 05:15 PM, said:

No because those rants are accurate, not your constant school girl hate mongering.. of literally anyone that disagrees with your inner circle of yes men.

You call his rants "accurate"? LOL. How do you fix player behaviour in code? YOU DON'T. Since when does the lack of a matchmaker improve player experience? SINCE NEVER. Since when is stackpoling a part of the canon tabletop rules? SINCE NEVER. Since when did MWO remove arm reticle (the lack of which he complains about)? SINCE NEVER. Let's not forget the mental gymnastics he went through to pretend that a bell curve is somehow a calculated insult from PGI to the playerbase... IT'S NOT. Since when does a player who keeps failing even in T4 "deserve" a position in T1 because he was there when everyone and their grandmother's undead dog could grind their way up? Since never. Which doesn't stop him from alternatingly stating that he enjoys T4 games better than he did T1, demanding that PGI reinstate his T1 position his way to in the old system and proclaiming the very existence of matchmaking system "toxic" (which label he attaches to any real-world data that refutes or fails to support his arguments)
And that's mostly just from this one thread.

As long as I've seen him post his rants in the forums, the backlash he received from the community was always of his own making. He spouts a long-winded rant based on failure to understand basic gameplay, then when it's debunked, his errors explained or he's asked for concrete proof of one outlandish claim or another he goes into another of his meltdowns and proclaims anyone who didn't automatically agree with him to be "toxic".
This self-made problem is only made worse by his complete inability to handle criticism.

Edited by Horseman, 27 December 2021 - 11:21 PM.

[GuardDogg]

Horseman, on 27 December 2021 - 11:21 PM, said:

You call his rants "accurate"? LOL. How do you fix player behaviour in code? YOU DON'T. Since when does the lack of a matchmaker improve player experience? SINCE NEVER. Since when is stackpoling a part of the canon tabletop rules? SINCE NEVER. Since when did MWO remove arm reticle (the lack of which he complains about)? SINCE NEVER. Let's not forget the mental gymnastics he went through to pretend that a bell curve is somehow a calculated insult from PGI to the playerbase... IT'S NOT. Since when does a player who keeps failing even in T4 "deserve" a position in T1 because he was there when everyone and their grandmother's undead dog could grind their way up? Since never. Which doesn't stop him from alternatingly stating that he enjoys T4 games better than he did T1, demanding that PGI reinstate his T1 position his way to in the old system and proclaiming the very existence of matchmaking system "toxic" (which label he attaches to any real-world data that refutes or fails to support his arguments)
And that's mostly just from this one thread.

As long as I've seen him post his rants in the forums, the backlash he received from the community was always of his own making. He spouts a long-winded rant based on failure to understand basic gameplay, then when it's debunked, his errors explained or he's asked for concrete proof of one outlandish claim or another he goes into another of his meltdowns and proclaims anyone who didn't automatically agree with him to be "toxic".
This self-made problem is only made worse by his complete inability to handle criticism.

Hmmm, you sound angry. "Toxic", already "Pointing fingers", like a "Real House wife of MWO". Couldn't let anything be. Their is no false anything about it, and half of it is not even listed. Anything that is bad for a long time, will be a long list, and it continues to grow. It can be a rant, but the truth holds. Really funny a car "Volkswagen EV" came in the problem, but no others vehicles. Who purchased the car? Not me, and not aware of it. But it says something, like MWO. The software, It is not complete. Material things are finished, and purchased in stores, some get recalled to complete the product. Baby products are good for that if you have kids. But software, oh gosh. MWO...worse. I am surprised I played MWO this long for its unfinished product. Like someone wrote on this thread: "MWO is not Battletech, it is a FPS". That is how bad it is. FPS like COD, Battlefield, where heli's point straight down and maneuver is a circle, high scoring. Where things do not make sense, although top stat players say nothing is wrong with it. Yeah, MWO is very frustrating, and embarrassing, and will send people else where.

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Hmmm, you sound angry.

No, just tired of putting up with your attitude.

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Their is no false anything about it,

Insisting you are incapable of being wrong is a recurring part of your attitude problem. Everything you got wrong in your argument has already been analyzed and explained to you in this very same thread. Just because you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen does not make your arguments valid or factual.

And I mean, really... not knowing arm lock/unlock exists and pretending that's a missing feature? Shame on you, man.

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Really funny a car "Volkswagen EV" came in the problem, but no others vehicles.

Ford Pinto, Bolt EV... those are just the big ones - car manufacturers recall millions of cars every year and some faults relate to more than just a single car model or line. Again, that you don't know about it is on you.

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But it says something, like MWO.

It says something that you think a piece of software not catering to your personal change requests can in any way, shape or form be equated to manufacturing defects in vehicles that quite literally killed people and then pretend that those deaths never happened because you, in your personal safety bubble, never heard of them.

[martian]

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Hmmm, you sound angry. "Toxic", already "Pointing fingers", like a "Real House wife of MWO".

Any critical voice you hear is "toxic", we know that.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Couldn't let anything be. Their is no false anything about it, and half of it is not even listed. Anything that is bad for a long time, will be a long list, and it continues to grow. It can be a rant, but the truth holds.

The only reason why you think that your rants are full of truth is that you ignore all opposing voices that disprove you false claims.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Really funny a car "Volkswagen EV" came in the problem, but no others vehicles. Who purchased the car? Not me, and not aware of it. But it says something, like MWO. The software, It is not complete. Material things are finished, and purchased in stores, some get recalled to complete the product.

You said in your OP that you "have never encountered unfinished products for the car", so I posted one such example.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

But software, oh gosh. MWO...worse. I am surprised I played MWO this long for its unfinished product.

You mean, when it was possible to brute-force your way to Tier 1?

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Like someone wrote on this thread: "MWO is not Battletech, it is a FPS".

I wrote that. And I wrote it because that is exactly how PGI describes MechWarrior Online.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

That is how bad it is. FPS like COD, Battlefield, where heli's point straight down and maneuver is a circle, high scoring.

Maybe you have noticed, but many reworked maps have made the nascaring much less prevalent than it used to be:

• HPG Manifold: The original version was full of nascaring around the central HPG dish. Now, nascaring is much less prevalent because there are so many structures in the centre of the map.
  
• Caustic Valley: The first two versions of the maps always had a lot of nascaring around the central caldera. Now, nascaring is much less common because there is no central feature to nascar around.
  
• Polar Highlands: That infamous nascaring around the central Communications Relay is no longer the everyday experience that it used to be.
  
• Hellebore Outpost: I am not sure if I have seen nascaring more than once on this map.
  
• etc.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Where things do not make sense, although top stat players say nothing is wrong with it.

Could you name some such top stats players?

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Yeah, MWO is very frustrating, and embarrassing, and will send people else where.

These are your personal feelings. They do not necessarily represent the feelings of the entire MWO player base.

[GuardDogg]

Horseman, on 28 December 2021 - 12:43 AM, said:

No, just tired of putting up with your attitude.
Insisting you are incapable of being wrong is a recurring part of your attitude problem. Everything you got wrong in your argument has already been analyzed and explained to you in this very same thread. Just because you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen does not make your arguments valid or factual.

And I mean, really... not knowing arm lock/unlock exists and pretending that's a missing feature? Shame on you, man.
Ford Pinto, Bolt EV... those are just the big ones - car manufacturers recall millions of cars every year and some faults relate to more than just a single car model or line. Again, that you don't know about it is on you.
It says something that you think a piece of software not catering to your personal change requests can in any way, shape or form be equated to manufacturing defects in vehicles that quite literally killed people and then pretend that those deaths never happened because you, in your personal safety bubble, never heard of them.

Just tired of a broken and unfinished game, and people defending it. Like a word processor, comes with a dictionary, but no words in it. And why do you bother, if you are tired of me? I speak for all the players, new and old players who play this. The truth hurts, and MWO, It is dropping population. Nerf this, buff that. Keeps changing. It is a FPS, not Battletech. And, That is what I mean about a toxic environment. Keeps going, and I will come in to defend myself. Please, do not enjoy making toxic thread. Cause it will backfire on you. Write about MWO, not me. Do not let the salt/toxic show that I have written in top post. It is showing proof.

martian, on 28 December 2021 - 12:57 AM, said:

Any critical voice you hear is "toxic", we know that.



The only reason why you think that your rants are full of truth is that you ignore all opposing voices that disprove you false claims.



You said in your OP that you "have never encountered unfinished products for the car", so I posted one such example.



You mean, when it was possible to brute-force your way to Tier 1?



I wrote that. And I wrote it because that is exactly how PGI describes MechWarrior Online.



Maybe you have noticed, but many reworked maps have made the nascaring much less prevalent than it used to be:

• HPG Manifold: The original version was full of nascaring around the central HPG dish. Now, nascaring is much less prevalent because there are so many structures in the centre of the map.
  
• Caustic Valley: The first two versions of the maps always had a lot of nascaring around the central caldera. Now, nascaring is much less common because there is no central feature to nascar around.
  
• Polar Highlands: That infamous nascaring around the central Communications Relay is no longer the everyday experience that it used to be.
  
• Hellebore Outpost: I am not sure if I have seen nascaring more than once on this map.
  
• etc.

Could you name some such top stats players?










These are your personal feelings. They do not necessarily represent the feelings of the entire MWO player base.

martian, on 28 December 2021 - 12:57 AM, said:

Any critical voice you hear is "toxic", we know that.



The only reason why you think that your rants are full of truth is that you ignore all opposing voices that disprove you false claims.



You said in your OP that you "have never encountered unfinished products for the car", so I posted one such example.



You mean, when it was possible to brute-force your way to Tier 1?



I wrote that. And I wrote it because that is exactly how PGI describes MechWarrior Online.



Maybe you have noticed, but many reworked maps have made the nascaring much less prevalent than it used to be:

• HPG Manifold: The original version was full of nascaring around the central HPG dish. Now, nascaring is much less prevalent because there are so many structures in the centre of the map.
  
• Caustic Valley: The first two versions of the maps always had a lot of nascaring around the central caldera. Now, nascaring is much less common because there is no central feature to nascar around.
  
• Polar Highlands: That infamous nascaring around the central Communications Relay is no longer the everyday experience that it used to be.
  
• Hellebore Outpost: I am not sure if I have seen nascaring more than once on this map.
  
• etc.

Could you name some such top stats players?










These are your personal feelings. They do not necessarily represent the feelings of the entire MWO player base.

Such a waste to read. The quoting...gosh. Like watching commercials during a hockey game. Enough time to go to the fridge and grab a few beers.

Edited by GuardDogg, 28 December 2021 - 02:02 AM.

[martian]

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:03 AM, said:

Just tired of a broken and unfinished game, and people defending it. Like a word processor, comes with a dictionary, but no words in it. And why do you bother, if you are tired of me? I speak for all the players, new and old players. That is what I mean about a toxic environment. Keeps going, and I will come in to defend myself. Do not enjoy it. Write about MWO, not me. Do not let the salt/toxic show.

You definitely do not speak for me.

By the way, could you remind me when those "all the players, new and old players" authorized you to speak for them?

Your rants are just your personal feelings.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:03 AM, said:

Such a waste to read. The quoting...gosh. Like watching commercials during a hockey game. Enough time to go to the fridge and grab a few beers.

Well, if this is the only thing that you can reply .. .

Edited by martian, 28 December 2021 - 01:21 AM.

[GuardDogg]

martian, on 28 December 2021 - 01:20 AM, said:

You definitely do not speak for me.

By the way, could you remind me when those "all the players, new and old players" authorized you to speak for them?

Your rants are just your personal feelings.



Well, if this is the only thing that you can reply .. .

martian, on 28 December 2021 - 01:20 AM, said:

You definitely do not speak for me.

By the way, could you remind me when those "all the players, new and old players" authorized you to speak for them?

Your rants are just your personal feelings.



Well, if this is the only thing that you can reply .. .

I may not speak for you and some others who say their is nothing wrong with MWO. Like MWO is just perfect. When in fact is not complete, broken and embarrassing. And I try to be brief on my posts. Not building continuous quotes and each is a reply under em.

Edited by GuardDogg, 28 December 2021 - 01:37 AM.

[Castigatus]

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:34 AM, said:

I may not speak for you and some others who say their is nothing wrong with MWO. Like MWO is just perfect. When in fact is not complete, broken and embarrassing. And I try to be brief on my posts. Not building continuous quotes and each is a reply under em.

Great, now address the rest of his points.

Oh what's that, you won't because you can't without lying......again?

Well, there's a shock.

It should tell you something that the only person agreeing with you is someone who is equally prone to be caught lying about things, and yes Mecha I am talking to you and that very obvious smurf you're trying to hide behind.

[martian]

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:34 AM, said:

I may not speak for you and some others who say their is nothing wrong with MWO.

So your previous claim that you "speak for all the players, new and old players." was false?

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:34 AM, said:

Like MWO is just perfect.

I have never said that MWO is perfect.

When I do not like something in MWO, I am not afraid to say it: Mwo Update From Cm Daeron Katz

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:34 AM, said:

And I try to be brief on my posts.

Seriously? Dozen Paragraphs Rant

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:34 AM, said:

Not building continuous quotes and each is a reply under em.

You just post a wall of text where it is not even clear what parts of the previous post you are reacting on. Like here: Do Tiers Really Matter?

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:03 AM, said:

I speak for all the players, new and old players who play this.

Wrong. By definition, "all players" include me as well. You do not speak for me, never did and never will.

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MWO, It is dropping population.

Except that the population has doubled in the past two years and stabilized at 19K monthly since September, almost recovering the numbers the game had before the 2019 collapse. How do you explain that?

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Nerf this, buff that. Keeps changing. It is a FPS, not Battletech. And, That is what I mean about a toxic environmen.

So improving the game balance for a better player experience is toxic now?
Yes, MWO is an FPS - as has been every video game in the Mechwarrior series. The reality you refuse to acknowledge is that none of them ever played like tabletop in first person, and none ever will.
Sometimes mechanics cannot be feasibly translated between the two at all (hello, random hit tables), others have to be modified (armor values) and some are too easy to use for griefing, as we've seen in the incident that got knockdowns removed.
MWO is what it is - a vehicle shooter somewhat based on the Battletech setting. The chance to turn it into something closer to the source material came and went during the beta, at this point PGI no longer even has much of a dev team that would be able to make changes to the game code if they were inclined to invest resources into that in the first place.
That's the reality, and if you don't like it nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to keep playing.

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Please, do not enjoy making toxic thread. Cause it will backfire on you. Write about MWO, not me. Do not let the salt/toxic show that I have written in top post. It is showing proof.

Unfortunately for you, the faults in your arguments are rooted in your arrogance and lack of - sometimes fundamental - knowledge. Again, arm lock.

GuardDogg, on 28 December 2021 - 01:34 AM, said:

I may not speak for you and some others who say their is nothing wrong with MWO. Like MWO is just perfect. When in fact is not complete, broken and embarrassing.

Actually, I'm not saying MWO is perfect. I'm saying that your trumped-up complaints are just ********, since you always speak of issues you have with the playerbase as if they were issues with the game, of your lack of knowledge as if it constituted lack of features (ARM. LOCK.) and your personal feature requests as if you're some kind of authority on what makes it "complete" as a product.
None of your complaints to date had anything to do with the actual issues within the game and PGI's handling of the game and its community.
And you still do not speak for me.

[feeWAIVER]

I can only speak for myself, but these forums, and the people who dwell here, are the #1 reason I stopped logging into the game.

[Quandoo]

This game is run by like 2 devs, maybe not even that. Tweaking stats and creating a map from time to time is less than what I do at work in a month. Creating new mechs is also a 1-2 man show.

The license is in the wrong hands. Also I can't understand how MW5 could happen without beeing an online game.

Edited by Quandoo, 28 December 2021 - 07:51 AM.

[martian]

Quandoo, on 28 December 2021 - 07:49 AM, said:

The license is in the wrong hands.

Microsoft probably does not think so, since it renewed the PGi's licence once or twice.

[HGAK47]

MWO may well be unfinished, it certainly has always had a lot more potential. I think generally speaking the fundementals of the game have always been quite unique but pretty good for the most part. Not a lot over the years/decades has really been able to give the feel that the mechwarrior games give.

I like this game, coming back to play recently has reminded me that there is still a lot of fun to be had. Sure there are guys out there that play much better and have much better aim but you can always build up some funky mech and go to town on the reds or die horribly trying. I only get annoyed when the error made was totally of my own making. Matchmaker seems generally better than I remember from the past to be fair.

[martian]

HGAK47, on 28 December 2021 - 09:06 AM, said:

...
Matchmaker seems generally better than I remember from the past to be fair.

There was a great PSR reset a year ago. Everybody was moved to mid-Ter 3, some players were moved to Tier 5 a few months later.

While the "old" PSR was essentially a glorified experience bar, the "new" PSR values skill much higher than it used to be in the past. In theory, Tiers should consist of players of a similar skill level. That should result in better balanced games.

[Horseman]

martian, on 28 December 2021 - 10:00 AM, said:

the "new" PSR values skill much higher than it used to be in the past.

In practice, though, it's still possible for 80-percenters like myself to cap out the rating, at which point the algorithm becomes unable to distinguish between us and the 99-percenters.

[martian]

Horseman, on 28 December 2021 - 10:54 AM, said:

In practice, though, it's still possible for 80-percenters like myself to cap out the rating, at which point the algorithm becomes unable to distinguish between us and the 99-percenters.

Sure, but the new system is better than the old system because the old PSR let a significant part of the player base move to Tier 1, simply by the virtue of playing a lot of games - which is something what the OP refuses to understand.

Edited by martian, 28 December 2021 - 11:12 AM.

[GARION26]

martian, on 28 December 2021 - 11:12 AM, said:

Sure, but the new system is better than the old system because the old PSR let a significant part of the player base move to Tier 1, simply by the virtue of playing a lot of games - which is something what the OP refuses to understand.

Agreed and I'm sure Horseman would as well.