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[Aick From ComStar]

Is there any way to purchase the crusader without spending 70 dollars? I've seen it over performs aggressively and while I've read about some of their issues, I still know they're very overworked atm and are great pug stompers so I've been looking to get a pug stomper myself.

But like... 70 bucks is a lot. I could just buy a new video game instead.

[FLG 01]

The base pack costs $40... $55 if you desperately want the hero.
The additional special add-on is unnecessary unless you want to support PGI, or if you have too much money.

The pricing is steep either way but it is an icon and probably the last Mech added to the game.

As far as its performance is concerned... it is fine, but far from over-performing. The weaknesses are too easily exploited, especially the reliance on arm-mounted weaponry on some models. Also, the legs... You can do well enough with it, though, and that is basically it.

[Nightbird]

It's above average... I wouldn't say it's a pug stomper though.

[feeWAIVER]

The energy crusader for Cbills is best imo.

[w0qj]

Yeah, the energy Crusader CRD-6T(P) with +30% CBills boost is one of the best,
you can get that by buying any tier of Crusader package... and get it from 2022 Annual Rewards Programme.

(You also double-qualify in the IS Reward as well in Annual Rwards!)

CRD-6T(P) is well worth getting IMHO... it is perhaps even better than the Crael hero mech for QP!
Read the CRD-6T build by ghost1e, with LE325 engine (you can also go XL engine for faster speed!):
https://mwo.nav-alph...317d4b7d_CRD-6T
https://mwomercs.com...le/page__st__80

Finally, Crael hero mech is a beast in 1vs1 Solaris Events!

Edited by w0qj, 04 October 2022 - 07:34 AM.

[Aick From ComStar]

Iunno, every Crael or crusader I've seen has been pretty aggressive and would absolutely destroy people. I'd say they overperform enough to be noticable which is a problem.

Will they be released as a C-bill purchasable mech in the future? Cause hero mechs being premium only is one thing becuase you can still play with the non-hero variants but like... c'mon.

[Kanil]

All the Crusaders will become available for MC on October 18th, and the non-hero versions will be available for C-Bills on December 13th.

[Heavy Money]

The 6T and Crael can do work if people let them. But generally they are not as strong as established heavies like Clan Laservom, various snub builds, etc.

[JudauAshta]

Aickavon, on 02 October 2022 - 04:15 PM, said:

Iunno, every Crael or crusader I've seen has been pretty aggressive and would absolutely destroy people. I'd say they overperform enough to be noticable which is a problem.

Will they be released as a C-bill purchasable mech in the future? Cause hero mechs being premium only is one thing becuase you can still play with the non-hero variants but like... c'mon.

HMG chadsader is awesome and melts people with 18 tons of ammo lmao

[PocketYoda]

Its $90+ Australian for the crusader just saying..

Crael is basically a Heavy version of a piranha with no downsides..

Edited by PocketYoda, 03 October 2022 - 04:37 AM.

[Kiiyor]

Lockheed_, on 03 October 2022 - 09:37 AM, said:

it's pretty slow for a mech that needs to get close, it's a big target and can not easily be overlooked and it has arms and legs that are almost bigger than a whole piranha.
It has plenty of downsides.

This.

It also relies 100% on continuous, uncomfortable ongoing eye contact with a stranger to gather any match score at all. It's a do or die mech. Great in 1v1s at close range, not so great in everything else.

The torso hitboxes are reasonably OK, everything else is a crapshoot. The arms are easy to hit, potentially removing half your firepower in one go, meaning that once you're used to the chassis you have to choose between being able to shield well with your arms, and.... being able to shield well with your arms and losing half your firepower in one go.

Each leg is also vaguely the same size as an Awesome, so anyone who doesn't have Parkinsons and excessively high mouse sensitivity is able to hobble you with ease.

Still a fun mech though. #crusaderlife

[crazytimes]

Just wait until it comes out for credits, and gets hit with the nerf bat.
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Or maybe that last event was just a whole bunch of really lucky people.

[Kiiyor]

crazytimes, on 03 October 2022 - 07:12 PM, said:

Just wait until it comes out for credits, and gets hit with the nerf bat.
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Or maybe that last event was just a whole bunch of really lucky people.

Yeah, it was indeed dominant in 1v1, no debating that - you can't cram that much short range DPS into a mech and not have it do well in the specific circumstances it's built to excel at. Orion wasn't far behind though, and I'm sure there won't be many about asking for nerfs to that.

Name Matches Wins Losses Dmg Done Win % (sorted) DMG per Match
CRUSADER CRAEL 3865 2858 1007 1388974 73.95% 359.37
ORION ON1-VA 1193 855 338 416454 71.67% 349.08

Crael doesn't run as well in the soup queue though. It's rare that you get into a pure 1v1 there, and rarer still that you get to the range where you can without suffering enough damage to make you hesitant to commit to any sort of staring match.

Same as the 6T, or even any other short ranged DPS mech though - if you get to the frontline and are allowed to do work, you can indeed do some good work.

Edited by Kiiyor, 03 October 2022 - 07:38 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Lockheed_, on 03 October 2022 - 09:37 AM, said:

it's pretty slow for a mech that needs to get close, it's a big target and can not easily be overlooked and it has arms and legs that are almost bigger than a whole piranha.
It has plenty of downsides.

Not that slow and its quite a fast heavy IS mech comparatively. And it tanks quite a good amount of damage.

Edited by PocketYoda, 04 October 2022 - 06:43 AM.

[martian]

PocketYoda, on 03 October 2022 - 04:36 AM, said:

Crael is basically a Heavy version of a piranha with no downsides..

Piranha moves 140 km/h.
"Crael" moves about 70 km/h, i.e. a half of Piranha's speed.

And I guess we do not have to discuss the size and the agility of both 'Mechs.

[feeWAIVER]

Agree Crael is big and slow and clunky.
Thick legs and no jump jets.

I could see it being strong on a 4th wave defense in faction play, if we ever made FP popular again.

[Ken Harkin]

Crael, and most Crusaders, are terrifying if you haven't been paying attention to them closing and don't know how to stop them. When I see one coming I shout it out on coms and tell people to focus on it. Typically I begin shooting at a leg as it closes. Once that is gone it is pretty well done. Keep backing and take out the other leg.

[Kiiyor]

Ken Harkin, on 04 October 2022 - 02:05 PM, said:

Crael, and most Crusaders, are terrifying if you haven't been paying attention to them closing and don't know how to stop them. When I see one coming I shout it out on coms and tell people to focus on it. Typically I begin shooting at a leg as it closes. Once that is gone it is pretty well done. Keep backing and take out the other leg.

This is the way.

I do the same with brawl Crusaders, and with SRM MadDogs, and with brawl Orions, and with sniper MarauderIICs with their ludicrous any range pinpoint, and with 4 AC5 Yagers, or basically any mech that excels with one particular role. Used to do the same with 3Peep Veagles, Boom Yagers when they were a thing, or with Splatapaults when they could one shot you with splash damage to the head, or even LagRavens back in the day. See a dangerous build, call it out, so you can make it less dangerous.

Any mech that excels at one thing is dangerous if you let it excel at that one thing. I was ranted at the other day by a dude who was annoyed his extreme long range high heat build was dismantled in short order by my ludicrously short range dps brawl machine. No-one shot at me on the way there, despite my derp chime going nuts as I sauntered over, and he was 2 grids from any support.

But, for anyone frustrated by Crusaders, seriously, go for the legs. Seriously, a leg on the Crusader is 3CTs wide lol. I can't wait until they drop for cbills. I won't be skipping Crusader legging-day, and judging from my own impotent rage at the number of times i've been legged in the Crudader, the salt will be glorious.

Also, the arms are a great target. So much firepower, so easy to prune.

[w0qj]

Once I get my Crusader CRD-6T(P) from 2022 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards,
I'm going to play only this mech for quite a long time, just for fun!

By the way, I'm beginning to wonder if some of you folks have actually bought
this Crusader mech pack before commenting on its speed, no JJ, etc.

My CRD-6T goes at 89.7kph with LE engine and maxed out Speed Tweak skill tree,
and you can go even faster with XL engine if you wish!
Oh, and CRD-6T can have Jump Jet (JJ) also!

[ScrapIron Prime]

w0qj, on 04 October 2022 - 05:32 PM, said:

Once I get my Crusader CRD-6T(P) from 2022 Annual (Loyalty) Rewards,
I'm going to play only this mech for quite a long time, just for fun!

By the way, I'm beginning to wonder if some of you folks have actually bought
this Crusader mech pack before commenting on its speed, no JJ, etc.

My CRD-6T goes at 89.7kph with LE engine and maxed out Speed Tweak skill tree,
and you can go even faster with XL engine if you wish!
Oh, and CRD-6T can have Jump Jet (JJ) also!

They're talking about the Crael. no JJ, 315 engine cap.

the 6T is a rock star. Platinum or no, I'll be driving it for the +30% cBills!