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[Viper Comnnand]

I don't know if it's from high volume of people after the patch, or just the patch in general, but definitely experiencing A LOT of issues with damage registration today and people teleporting around.....

(Great work! /s)

[Cyborne Elemental]

Guess it was a typo from initial changes.
-0.5 isn't that bad.

Time to roll out the Nova-Prime again.

Edited by Cyborne Elemental, 20 May 2023 - 10:38 PM.

[Mechwarrior2342356]

Viper Comnnand, on 20 May 2023 - 10:30 PM, said:

I don't know if it's from high volume of people after the patch, or just the patch in general, but definitely experiencing A LOT of issues with damage registration today and people teleporting around.....

(Great work! /s)

Patch hasn't been pushed yet tho.

[Viper Comnnand]

the check engine light, on 20 May 2023 - 10:35 PM, said:

Patch hasn't been pushed yet tho.

Alright, then their server's clearly are struggling today, either way it's been an on and off thing all day with hits registering but damage just disappearing into the void.... and I've never had issues like this in the past so I don't know what they did, but it's playing like sh*t

[Cyborne Elemental]

Probably all the MG spam going on in the Light events.

[Pz_DC]

CTF quirk changes are... strange, IMHO it will change nothing.

[Far Reach]

Meep Meep, on 20 May 2023 - 09:54 PM, said:

Clan er med goes to 6 not 5. It's losing .5 damage probably to reduce the laser vomit alpha of heavy large plus er meds.

"Show me on the paperdoll where there laservomit hunchbackIIC touched you."

[TheCaptainJZ]

epikt, on 20 May 2023 - 08:20 PM, said:

We had private test servers back in the day, like 10 years ago - they were "private" in nothing but name, everybody had access.

(awyway, I don't know how you can be so patient)

the check engine light, on 20 May 2023 - 08:29 PM, said:

Guessing they were discontinued or sunsetted or something.

Oh well.

The PTS was a copy of the game but required manual set up by PGI, i.e., work and overhead. It wasn't "always on" or anything. Internally, they have the pre-release builds of course, but that's exclusively internal which the Cauldron is not. It is far too much effort to set up when the player base is this small and testing never got them much reliable data on actual player behavior anyway because not enough participated in testing.

I'm sure the reason PGI "tests in production" is because other than the one or two devs working on this game, they don't really have much in the way of QA anymore (if they ever had much QA). Their QA is really just enough to catch the most critical of issues and that's about all the capacity they probably have. I'm sure they don't have 24 play testers to form full teams.

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To the general thread:
The nerfing of newly release mechs is really no different than the past 10 years. Often, new mechs did dominate matches and that makes them OP. I don't know why you aren't surprised by your newly purchased mech being nerfed. (Though I do think the design of the Legendary mechs did back them into a corner because they picked some of the best chassis and then gave them good hardpoints, probably to make them very attractive as purchases. Players bought them specifically because they want to dominate the battlefield. There's an obvious reason they're almost all assaults.) Except now the Cauldron is taking some of the flack instead of only PGI. Anyone buying a legendary mech might as well wait until after release and a month if they're concerned about nerfs. It doesn't go away. Or are they worried about FOMO of OP mechs they can dominate with? Maybe that's just it. Players don't actually want a balanced game--they want a game that makes themselves a little more powerful and everyone else a little weaker. Maybe the core problem isn't PGI, but players themselves and their expectations.

Edited by TheCaptainJZ, 21 May 2023 - 05:24 AM.

[TunaFist88]

i am not an Indirect Fire Support player (your fun is wrong), but was expecting when the Archers got their quirk pass, the -2R would have buffed missile-spread, given its lore missilery guidance systems.

[sycocys]

Meep Meep, on 20 May 2023 - 09:54 PM, said:

Clan er med goes to 6 not 5. It's losing .5 damage probably to reduce the laser vomit alpha of heavy large plus er meds.

Well that, plus the new "legends" are super creatively pretty heavy with the ml laser vomit.

[Roodkapje]

the check engine light, on 20 May 2023 - 06:44 AM, said:

Condensing a lot of the trees would be a good idea. Don't know if total skill points would need to be adjusted down. Hill climb is something that isn't really a "this is tailoring your playstyle" choice, it's a "hassle reduction" choice, and hassle reduction isn't something skill tree should be doing IMO but I'm not in charge of jack or ****.

Or... you know... adjust the maps and remove or lower those insane high hills or stupid obstacles like rocks my big bad Assault mech can't even get over...

See : https://mwomercs.com...ff-on-all-maps/

Quote

You're very wrong on both but that's just my opinion.

- Do you like getting stuck on Tourmalines ?
- Or being blocked by them directly after spawning ?
- Do you like shooting into invisible walls or edges ?

I know for sure many of us don't !!!

C337Skymaster, on 20 May 2023 - 11:00 AM, said:

You guys ever consider just dropping the Ghost Heat limit on cERML back from 6 to 5, or 4?

Wait... WHAT ?!?!

I thought they already dropped it down to 3 of them ?!



Feeling very n00b now...

Steel Shanks, on 20 May 2023 - 12:42 PM, said:

Heavy PPC for the Urbanmech R80? COME ON?! Who's niche Mech is that? A Cauldron Member maybe?

Somehow these arbitrary terrible Quirks ( Like Heavy PPC on an Urbie.) is probably some Cauldron Pet Urbie that PGI thought "Yeah, great Idea." Sad... Sad time for MechWarrior...

100% AGREE with the above!

That whole Cauldron thing was one of the worst ideas of all times!

Navid A1, on 20 May 2023 - 05:03 PM, said:

And how do you expect us to test these mechs before they come out?
There is no test server. None.

Typical in current economy world wide : "Consumer The Beta Tester to the rescue!"

DISGUSTING!!!

the check engine light, on 20 May 2023 - 06:42 PM, said:

...Huh. Well ****.

Are PTS servers used in the past not a thing anymore or how did those work?

Navid A1, on 20 May 2023 - 07:59 PM, said:

Nope.
Never had access to anything like that.

the check engine light, on 20 May 2023 - 07:51 PM, said:

So whatever system the PTSes used is not at your disposal? I legit don't know or I wouldn't be asking.

100% WEIRD if they are not used indeed !!!

epikt, on 20 May 2023 - 08:20 PM, said:

We had private test servers back in the day, like 10 years ago - they were "private" in nothing but name, everybody had access.

(awyway, I don't know how you can be so patient)

Like everything else in the world that too seems to have disappeared because it was too good to be true and/or to have!

the check engine light, on 20 May 2023 - 07:40 PM, said:

Scattershot seems like it was pretty obscene.

Saw an awful lot of matches with a Scattershot pilot at top of scoreboard doubling the MS of the next one down, things like that.

I have at least 3 SHD variants which simply perform very well and a lot better than many other mechs and those are all C-Bills mechs so what do you expect from a mech that is soo good other than it still being good despite some weird quirks to live up to it's name ?!

Clay Endfield, on 20 May 2023 - 09:42 PM, said:

Scattershot was hard OP.

Disagree! See above!

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The Juggernaut is an absolute Joke.
Any set that makes use of all 8 Ballistic Hardpoints is automatically worse than the Direwolf.
Any set using RACs/MGs gets ripped to shreds due to the awful ST hitboxes.

AGREE more than I could ever AGREE with you !!!

All in all the Fafnir is just a really bad slow big target mech that's useless without a good team around you and finding that team these days is one heck of a challenge!

RabidBeagles, on 20 May 2023 - 08:35 PM, said:

I don't like the UM-R80 adjustments. That (going to be) former reduced heat gen quirk applied to all PPCs -- so we could choose to play it with any flavor of PPC, with snubs probably the favorite. Now it's like we're getting railroaded into playing it with HPPCs.

That seems to be the new "Cauldron Trend" that is going on for a while now...

Navid A1, on 20 May 2023 - 08:38 PM, said:

The best build on that urbie is still dual SNPPC and 3xLPPC.

This just creates an alternate in the form of HPPC+4xSLs

Seems like a build that depends on a IS XL Engine and that's basically a suicide mech these days!

Can't wait to shoot them off the battlefield !!! LOL !!!

Viper Comnnand, on 20 May 2023 - 10:30 PM, said:

I don't know if it's from high volume of people after the patch, or just the patch in general, but definitely experiencing A LOT of issues with damage registration today and people teleporting around.....

(Great work! /s)

Viper Comnnand, on 20 May 2023 - 10:38 PM, said:

Alright, then their server's clearly are struggling today, either way it's been an on and off thing all day with hits registering but damage just disappearing into the void.... and I've never had issues like this in the past so I don't know what they did, but it's playing like sh*t

Has ZERO to do with this patch and can be a lot of many other things like :

- Stressed/Overloaded Server hosting the session.
- Your connection to the Server.
- Your ISP having issues and many UDP Packets getting dropped.
(Games use UDP unlike a browser for example which uses TCP and packets can be resent while UDP ones are just forgotten about!)
- Other players having a bad connection that messes the game up for everyone else...
- < Some stuff I have probably forgotten to mention >

Cyborne Elemental, on 20 May 2023 - 10:31 PM, said:

Guess it was a typo from initial changes.
-0.5 isn't that bad.

Time to roll out the Nova-Prime again.

My Nova Prime can only use it's Clan ER ML's probably when shooting them 2 at a time so there must be a better mech out there if you want to use a bunch of those at the same time ?!

TunaFist88, on 21 May 2023 - 05:40 AM, said:

i am not an Indirect Fire Support player (your fun is wrong), but was expecting when the Archers got their quirk pass, the -2R would have buffed missile-spread, given its lore missilery guidance systems.

IMHO The best Archers are those NOT using LRM's

SRM/Streaks/MRM FTW!!!

[LordNothing]

legendaries score card:

lights 0
mediums 1
heavies 0
assaults 5

seems a bit biased. i want to see a light and a heavy next time.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 May 2023 - 06:38 AM.

[evil kerensky]

community managers log: message to ceo russ bullock, from cm daeron

my dearest russ.
tis been many moons since you convinced me to undertake the "cauldron initiative". i daresay i have my doubts. pugs and tryhards from across the intewebs cry out that the high alpha range meta is unfun. clearly there has been a recent uptick in unrest amongst the common folk. the cauldron has been instructed to fix this problem, but comp season is coming, and they fear nerfing the blue light beams will destroy their chance at the title of best robot autist of the year. yellow light beams have been sacrificed so that we may maintain our monastary of incel comp pilots. their devotion to being the best in a game with no tangible rewards is admirable, to accomplish this, however, we had to make blood sacrifice of the scattershot, a slightly above average glass cannon, to the pug masses. gods, i can still hear the screams. they will haunt me forever, yet i persevere, in the knowledge that your wisdom and bottomless coke stash can fil me several times over.

i wish you luck in your travels my beloved russ. your journey to conquer the lands of pve-dom are legend amongst your people. we pray that you will return to us with a bounty of funding, and new mech dads for us to drain of currency.

signed, with love, your scapegoat community manager,
daeron.

ps, your old nemesis approaches from the south my lord. return to us soon, or you may have nowhere left to return too.

pps. were running out of mech ideas. mayhaps your goals of 2 mechs per month is a bit much?

[Steel Raven]

No one going to comment on the Griffin AR getting a PPC Family HSL +1 out of no where?

[Cyborne Elemental]

No ECM, no Play I guess.

Steel Raven, on 21 May 2023 - 07:38 AM, said:

No one going to comment on the Griffin AR getting a PPC Family HSL +1 out of no where?

[Mechwarrior2342356]

TheCaptainJZ, on 21 May 2023 - 05:23 AM, said:

The PTS was a copy of the game but required manual set up by PGI, i.e., work and overhead. It wasn't &quot;always on&quot; or anything. Internally, they have the pre-release builds of course, but that's exclusively internal which the Cauldron is not. It is far too much effort to set up when the player base is this small and testing never got them much reliable data on actual player behavior anyway because not enough participated in testing.

I'm sure the reason PGI &quot;tests in production&quot; is because other than the one or two devs working on this game, they don't really have much in the way of QA anymore (if they ever had much QA). Their QA is really just enough to catch the most critical of issues and that's about all the capacity they probably have. I'm sure they don't have 24 play testers to form full teams.

---
To the general thread:
The nerfing of newly release mechs is really no different than the past 10 years. Often, new mechs did dominate matches and that makes them OP. I don't know why you aren't surprised by your newly purchased mech being nerfed. (Though I do think the design of the Legendary mechs did back them into a corner because they picked some of the best chassis and then gave them good hardpoints, probably to make them very attractive as purchases. Players bought them specifically because they want to dominate the battlefield. There's an obvious reason they're almost all assaults.) Except now the Cauldron is taking some of the flack instead of only PGI. Anyone buying a legendary mech might as well wait until after release and a month if they're concerned about nerfs. It doesn't go away. Or are they worried about FOMO of OP mechs they can dominate with? Maybe that's just it. Players don't actually want a balanced game--they want a game that makes themselves a little more powerful and everyone else a little weaker. Maybe the core problem isn't PGI, but players themselves and their expectations.

Thank god someone else said it because yeah I am tired of the pig-squeals after seeing what Moonwalker and Scattershot were doing. They'll still be plenty good after because they know what you're actually buying. I grin and bear it because the money might lead to things I would like to see getting implemented (MIGHT). Some of you are good enough pilots that you don't need and never needed crutches.

Seeing people with decent to good stats crying bloody murder over their OP chasses getting adjusted is like watching a fat kid who just devoured half an apple pie scream and throw things at the other kids when he's asked to leave some for everyone else. It's no longer about the enjoyment of the thing, it's about taking as much as you can even and especially if it ruins someone else's day. For a genuinely talented player, running an OP chassis should be an EMBARRASSMENT in the QP environment.

Edited by the check engine light, 21 May 2023 - 10:48 AM.

[MechWarrior8922442]

the check engine light, on 21 May 2023 - 09:34 AM, said:

Thank god someone else said it because yeah I am tired of the pig-squeals after seeing what Moonwalker and Scattershot were doing. They'll still be plenty good after because they know what you're actually buying. I grin and bear it because the money might lead to things I would like to see getting implemented (MIGHT). Some of you are good enough pilots that you don't need and never needed crutches.

Seeing people with decent to good stats crying bloody murder over their OP chasses getting adjusted is like watching a fat kid who just devoured half an apple pie scream and throw things at the other kids when he's asked to leave some for everyone else. It's no longer about the enjoyment of the thing, it's about taking as much as you can even and especially if it ruins someone else's day. For a genuinely talented player, running an OP chassis should be an EMBARRASSMENT in the QP environment.

If those chassis are still good after nerfing, then why not issue the refunds and trust that people will repurchase them?

[Mechwarrior2342356]

MechWarrior8922442, on 21 May 2023 - 11:04 AM, said:

If those chassis are still good after nerfing, then why not issue the refunds and trust that people will repurchase them?

Go float it with a CSR. I don't think there's any reasonable expectation of refund. I don't think there should be in this situation. I am also not an employee, just a person who knows typical spoiled-brat consumer ******** when he sees it and is beyond tired of the behavior.

[MechWarrior8922442]

the check engine light, on 21 May 2023 - 11:42 AM, said:

Go float it with a CSR. I don't think there's any reasonable expectation of refund. I don't think there should be in this situation. I am also not an employee, just a person who knows typical spoiled-brat consumer ******** when he sees it and is beyond tired of the behavior.

Imagine that a car manufacturer sold you a car and you drove it for a week, then they take 100 horsepower away via over the air update. Would you be a spoiled-brat to ask for a refund?

[Mechwarrior2342356]

MechWarrior8922442, on 21 May 2023 - 12:00 PM, said:

Imagine that a car manufacturer sold you a car and you drove it for a week, then they take 100 horsepower away via over the air update. Would you be a spoiled-brat to ask for a refund?

This isn't your car. This is a video game. A video game that has a vested interest in ensuring play is as fair as can be managed.

Your "car" will still have significantly more "horsepower" than most others out there, and if it is found wanting for whatever reason it will get tuned up accordingly.