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[multisoul]

im sure there are too many cheaters in FP which makes it off balance, i call cheating also when certain effects are turned off (not from the ingame menu of course)

[CrustyMech]

So... after approximately 2 months back into the game after a long break I finally got to the point where I started looking around (and asking in QP) if faction play was still a thing. I have to say I received mostly negative feedback which was a bit disheartening.

I have several drop decks from 2014-21 because even though my skill level is low I really enjoyed jumping into FP as a mercenary - mostly getting stomped but always having fun - 'cuz for me it added to the ambience/lore/feeling of the game. It's the comradery of the thing - it is only a game after all - that I enjoyed. Fond memories of seeing an entire lance of piranhas camping our spawn point and chewing us to bits in seconds . I had hoped that this thread would encourage me to take out a wrench and tweak my decks... but that's not the vibe I'm getting here. If someone can point me to a more hopeful thread I'd be much obliged!

[Void Angel]

There's not been much activity in Faction Warfare; many of us don't play - but if you had fun before, don't be afraid to check it out. I haven't done FW for a while because the games take more time, but you won't know unless you try it yourself.

[Ignatius Audene]

Sadly the way the current mm works u can't get matches until EU or NA prime (even if there are enough players, it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, because no one wants to be the first guy in empty que). So thinks start only with a group kicking in action. The negative feedback from QP players mostly comes from a wait times (and don't understand how the que works) sitting in empty que or imbalanced teams (often related to lack of homework in mechlab/ skill level). If u had fun before, u will have again. Meta has shifted a bit more to trading and long range (balancing is sadly mostly for QP environment where everyone runs to the middle to run in circles). Teams (at least in EU Prime) are far more fragmented (premades are rare), but some high skilled individuals, so don't be surprised if u get smashed a lot.

Keep an eye open for the units / players U regularly end up in a match with. Most groups pick up randoms if they don't act like special snowflakes.

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 13 December 2023 - 01:58 AM.

[CrustyMech]

Void Angel, on 12 December 2023 - 07:26 PM, said:

There's not been much activity in Faction Warfare; many of us don't play - but if you had fun before, don't be afraid to check it out. I haven't done FW for a while because the games take more time, but you won't know unless you try it yourself.

I think I'll tweak my decks a bit for range (I note a definite lack of mid-range and brawlers in QP) and give it a go. Thanks.

[CrustyMech]

Ignatius Audene, on 13 December 2023 - 01:51 AM, said:

Sadly the way the current mm works u can't get matches until EU or NA prime (even if there are enough players, it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, because no one wants to be the first guy in empty que). So thinks start only with a group kicking in action. The negative feedback from QP players mostly comes from a wait times (and don't understand how the que works) sitting in empty que or imbalanced teams (often related to lack of homework in mechlab/ skill level). If u had fun before, u will have again. Meta has shifted a bit more to trading and long range (balancing is sadly mostly for QP environment where everyone runs to the middle to run in circles). Teams (at least in EU Prime) are far more fragmented (premades are rare), but some high skilled individuals, so don't be surprised if u get smashed a lot.

Keep an eye open for the units / players U regularly end up in a match with. Most groups pick up randoms if they don't act like special snowflakes.

Thanks for the insights. As I mentioned above, I'll need to tweak my mechs a bit. I still drop in brawlers during QP but normally get chewed up by assaults packed with ERL and Gauss - until I can catch em not looking .

Do you recommend I try for the EU queue? Normally the difference in ping is not that different (for me) than NA.

Edited by CrustyMech, 13 December 2023 - 11:28 AM.

[Void Angel]

CrustyMech, on 13 December 2023 - 11:27 AM, said:

Thanks for the insights. As I mentioned above, I'll need to tweak my mechs a bit. I still drop in brawlers during QP but normally get chewed up by assaults packed with ERL and Gauss - until I can catch em not looking .

Do you recommend I try for the EU queue? Normally the difference in ping is not that different (for me) than NA.

In quickplay? I check the boxes for both NA and EU servers. Play styles are more or less similar.

[KursedVixen]

Baba Yogi, on 17 July 2023 - 08:55 PM, said:

I love how nobody seems to listen to what im saying and instead trying to give me tips on loadout. Not a new player, check leaderboards if you wanna get an idea. Im a medium mech main so thats why i bring 2 mediums. That Arctic Wolf did 1.5k on first drop i brought it to, and HBKIIC 4xERLL is the best p4p ll sniper you can bring, you dont get a mech with higher hardpoints. Problem isnt the mechs, its the game mode. Especially the FP-only maps. I dont care what the supposed tactic is, how the match plays out is the problem, win or lose. Anyways, i would have no problem if PGI for some reason didnt tie 2k'ish MC reward + cbills to FP which gives a very strong incentive to play something so horrid.

it's horrible because the "balance' they say between clan and IS is actually a inbalance with IS favored so IS will almost always win because it almost always breaks out into a brawl and clans do not have a good amount of brawling mechs or weapons.

[Void Angel]

Lolno.

Clans have a ton of brawling 'mechs, particularly these days. They've also always had good brawling weapons - see also: Clan Medium Pulse Laser, Clan Ultra Autocannon 10, Clan Ultra Autocannon 20. Even on release, Clans had good brawling setups available; they just never used them because their long-range guns were so much better - then cried that they weren't quite as good as the best IS brawlers.

Now some people say balance has swapped, with the Inner Sphere holding the advantage (in Faction Warfare.) That might be true, but I'll believe it when I see it myself. The same people crying about Clan balance now were crying about it when Clans released - literally claiming that on-release Clantech was underpowered because they couldn't downgrade their XL engines to boat even more hyper-effective guns. It was bad. For those of you who might not have been around that long, the Clantech of today are the result of multiple rounds of nerfing - and the Clan MPL is still one of the best weapons in the game.

So when people say the same thing no matter what happens to their favorite faction - for years - even when it's still competitive after multiple rounds of nerfing... Well, I start taking that with a grain of salt, as the saying goes.

(Also, KursedVixen... are you really that hard up for opportunities to harp on this subject that you're responding to a comment from last summer, by a poster who hasn't logged in for two weeks?)

[KursedVixen]

Void Angel, on 13 December 2023 - 05:40 PM, said:

(Also, KursedVixen... are you really that hard up for opportunities to harp on this subject that you're responding to a comment from last summer, by a poster who hasn't logged in for two weeks?)


Clantech of today are the result of [ rounds of nerfing

You know the saying, don't feed the troll? you just fed the troll.

and thanks for proving my point.

Edited by KursedVixen, 13 December 2023 - 05:51 PM.

[Void Angel]

Oh, but I didn't prove anything - that's why you had to deceptively edit the quote, and omit the facts you wish to ignore. As you always do. Bad faith argument is just a fancy way of lying, Vix.

I'm not "feeding the troll" by challenging your nonsense; people in this thread are wanting to explore the game mode, and you're telling them lies to feed your dishonest desire to have Clantech buffed to tabletop canon values. Stop it.

[CrustyMech]

Void Angel, on 13 December 2023 - 02:04 PM, said:

In quickplay? I check the boxes for both NA and EU servers. Play styles are more or less similar.

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I was referring to faction play - but I realized that's not an option for that mode .

Thanks for your input!

[Ignatius Audene]

Yea. FP is always na servers. I was talking about time zone as u already figured out. From what I hear NA still got some more premades, so might be tougher to get in match, but just keep an eye open for the que numbers in FP tab. U know how to check them?

Otherwise I think data once made an video on utube, that is still valid.

[Ignatius Audene]

Or git gud? If u get stomped. Prob missed:

1 mechlab
2 friends
3 skill

Missing 1of these is ok. More receipt for disaster

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 14 December 2023 - 12:13 PM.

[CrustyMech]

Ignatius Audene, on 14 December 2023 - 01:53 AM, said:

Yea. FP is always na servers. I was talking about time zone as u already figured out. From what I hear NA still got some more premades, so might be tougher to get in match, but just keep an eye open for the que numbers in FP tab. U know how to check them?

Otherwise I think data once made an video on utube, that is still valid.

I believe I found info on that, thanks!

[CrustyMech]

the check engine light, on 14 December 2023 - 06:13 AM, said:

I feel this has already been mentioned before but who wants to ******* spend 30-45 minutes waiting to get facerolled and spawnfarmed in a 10 minute tops game?

Practically ******* nobody.

That's why the mode sucks and is almost dead.

The face-rolled don't bug me, it's still all fun . See my comment above on the Piranha pre-made spawn . The 30-45 M wait might be the deciding factor though... thanks for your input!

[Ignatius Audene]

if u understood the video info and get used to the times, its either fast matches or no matches. Normally i try to get one match (painting some minis or playing something else in the wait time). If i get skipped i call it a day. U need to get in the cicle, since most evenings only one set of drops is happening. Bringing a friend drastically improves your mm chances, since u get priority over solo puggas.

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 14 December 2023 - 12:17 PM.

[CrustyMech]

Ignatius Audene, on 14 December 2023 - 12:16 PM, said:

if u understood the video info and get used to the times, its either fast matches or no matches. Normally i try to get one match (painting some minis or playing something else in the wait time). If i get skipped i call it a day. U need to get in the cicle, since most evenings only one set of drops is happening. Bringing a friend drastically improves your mm chances, since u get priority over solo puggas.

Thanks very much - I have to see if any of my old buds are still around, but that's a good tip!

[Duke Falcon]

Ignatius Audene, on 14 December 2023 - 12:16 PM, said:

if u understood the video info and get used to the times, its either fast matches or no matches. Normally i try to get one match (painting some minis or playing something else in the wait time). If i get skipped i call it a day. U need to get in the cicle, since most evenings only one set of drops is happening. Bringing a friend drastically improves your mm chances, since u get priority over solo puggas.

As a solo pugga I could prove the truth of that.

[Jolly Llama]

I can never get a match. The que just keeps counting down and resetting. This game mode has always been a bust. I quit playing years ago an just came back to find not really much has changed. Faction play sucks, because I can never get a match.