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[Vincefeld]

Getting side torso (or god forbid CT) open by another similar tonnage mech from ~500m from single peak is not ok. Its only allowed if you are potato that exposed yourself alone to 2-3 mechs
To give you example how bad game got: i can achieve 400m+ unskilled 48 laser pinpoint alpha on what? ECM SHADOWCAT! 45t mech without tonnage, slots or hardpoints! This is as bad as it gets, now imagine what nerds can put together on higher end. Main offenders are gausszilla and moonwalker.

HAHAHA FUNNY OP MECHS!! TTB or Baradul can clickbait you with thumbnail that says WOW 132 ALPHA LOL! Yeah, yeah they can. cuz joke is a state of a game.
PGI been jacking around with convoluted crutch parasite mechanics for 10 years, results where?! Nerds just head to HSL tables, put together weapons from a different HSL groups or fire with 500ms+ delay to bypass PGI's naive car park barrier.

Solutions?
-reduce max heat cap? by at least removing skills and quirks that do that
-as radical solution remove heat cap+ from heatsinks and add heat banks
-add gauss rifle to laser HSL group? increase heat scaling time from 500ms to 1s? do something!
-since crusader release i'm for small lasers be linked with mediums in HSL groups just like clans

Edited by Vincefeld, 10 October 2023 - 12:03 PM.

[Andrewlik]

Despite my better judgement, I'm going to say one thing:
Skill issue

[The6thMessenger]

Andrewlik, on 07 October 2023 - 05:06 AM, said:

Despite my better judgement, I'm going to say one thing:
Skill issue

Well no, hold on.

As much as skill is involved, it is true that there has been powercreep over the years, even more so with the Cauldron's claim as Balance Overlords, and it's showing on their new mechs.

Their balance approach is indeed skill-based, rewarding good aim with indeed a ****-ton of alpha.

[Vincefeld]

Some talented and highly gifted individuals even defended moonwalker saying its fine and not overpowered.

[w0qj]

The MWO/Cauldron have already done just that:

• Nerfed Clan-AC10 back in July'2023: Ghost Heat penalty increased to 24x.

5x Clan AC10 is already unviable.

==>Try this on a Gausszilla yourself; it simply does not work.

https://mwomercs.com...2800-25july2023
https://mwomercs.com...auldron-changes

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CLAN AUTOCANNON 10

• Increased heat penalty minimum threshold to 5 (from 3) - You can fire 4 without penalty
  
• Increased heat penalty multiplier to 24.0 (from 1.0) - Firing 5 or more applies a large penalty

Edited by w0qj, 07 October 2023 - 09:24 AM.

[Curccu]

Fellow creates topic to QQ about 5x cAC10...

... And doesn't mention that at all in his rant.

you know skill wont increase that alpha anyway, so clearly OP lacks understanding of the game and calls everyone who understands this game "nerd".

PS. There is also SLIGHT chance that OP has lost some skill during his almost two Year break from MWO but its easier to blame the game than acknowledge that he does not know how to play well anymore.

[Vincefeld]

Curccu, on 07 October 2023 - 08:07 AM, said:

Fellow creates topic to QQ about 5x cAC10...

... And doesn't mention that at all in his rant.

you know skill wont increase that alpha anyway, so clearly OP lacks understanding of the game and calls everyone who understands this game "nerd".

PS. There is also SLIGHT chance that OP has lost some skill during his almost two Year break from MWO but its easier to blame the game than acknowledge that he does not know how to play well anymore.

Didnt mention 5xAC10 precisely because it doesnt exist anymore, even Cauldron bois thought its broken(finally)

2 years lol? as if much changed since my break. Yeah new weapons like BLC to buff IS laservomit alpha and yeah HAG is now the thing to make long range even more ******** but so what?
Core gameplay didnt change, pack as much reasonably high alpha and peek. I wasnt fine with 70-90 pinpoint alphas back then and not fine today. Its not even about me or my skill. game woudnt be any more fun if i was damn gosu.

Edited by Vincefeld, 07 October 2023 - 08:51 AM.

[Duke Falcon]

I is a bit confused right now...
I thought 5xAC10s is hard to done and not grants a "power creep" alpha...
Did I missed something?
Still to much Stalker disco-balls in my mind flood everything with blue-rays of doom Stalker-love?

[RickySpanish]

Personally I blame Clan Double Heatsinks.

[crazytimes]

The thing is... with the exception of the legendaries, there is no paywall, no massive grind, no gacha, no lootbox luck, no skin trading or auction house, no anything special required to access any mech and build. Even hero's are easily purchased with rewards requiring nothing but a bit of time in game.

If you think a thing is "OP", you can just make and use it yourself. Or instead, don't use it and just complain that other people are using it because there may be a skill element to their success with it.

Except the scaleshot. That's behind a paywall for another few months.

[LordNothing]

i usually just do uac 10s and 5s.

[Tarl Cabot]

crazytimes, on 07 October 2023 - 01:47 PM, said:

The thing is... with the exception of the legendaries, there is no paywall, no massive grind, no gacha, no lootbox luck, no skin trading or auction house, no anything special required to access any mech and build. Even hero's are easily purchased with rewards requiring nothing but a bit of time in game.

If you think a thing is "OP", you can just make and use it yourself. Or instead, don't use it and just complain that other people are using it because there may be a skill element to their success with it.

Except the scaleshot. That's behind a paywall for another few months.

And when Scaleshot becomes available w/o RL funds, there will be more wailing Thing is, at times it is best to simply shot the legs like players did for mediums in FP Scouting, much better at slowing them down to make it easier to kill, instead of allowing them to keep their speed, even with ST removed and still have half of their weapons active.

[Karhyy]

Tarl Cabot, on 08 October 2023 - 01:07 PM, said:

And when Scaleshot becomes available w/o RL funds

That's when it gets nerfed

[Kamiko Kross]

Curccu, on 07 October 2023 - 08:07 AM, said:

Fellow creates topic to QQ about 5x cAC10...

... And doesn't mention that at all in his rant.

you know skill wont increase that alpha anyway, so clearly OP lacks understanding of the game and calls everyone who understands this game "nerd".

PS. There is also SLIGHT chance that OP has lost some skill during his almost two Year break from MWO but its easier to blame the game than acknowledge that he does not know how to play well anymore.

That may well be,m but alphas ARE too high.

[Vincefeld]

LordNothing, on 07 October 2023 - 05:43 PM, said:

i usually just do uac 10s and 5s.

Yeah i tried doing 2 uac 10 2 uac 5 and going up against gausszilla...

Ended about as well as you expect. he had enough dakka, i did not.

[Curccu]

Kamiko Kross, on 10 October 2023 - 01:06 AM, said:

That may well be,m but alphas ARE too high.

Sure HAGs increased alpha a somewhat but other than that no real changes in long time.

[Ihlrath]

Alphas have been stupidly high for well over a year now since the 'rebalancing' of the sniper meta.