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[KingCobra]

feeWAIVER, on 28 November 2023 - 06:21 AM, said:

Unless they have a friend on the inside. o.O

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FeeWaiver is right and it is getting worse every month more teams are exploiting sync dropping again it does not matter what side they land on as there all on discord communicating for this farming run on some games, they allied up with the bigger groups on one side and tell those on the opposite team to cripple or kill those who are do well against them.

You would be totally surprised if you all went on discord and hear all the BS going on as they farm players to them this type of game play is no different that the team groups farming smaller teams in faction play was before they killed off the game mode.

So next time you see a player shooting players at the start of a battle saying ohh excuse me I was holding my trigger down or in a heated battle point and you turn around and some one is shooting everyone in the back be sure to look at his team tag it is more than likely is a team member from the other sides group.

To be honest the game really suckkkks now and giving away free mechs ETC. is not going to fix the situation plus they can make all the new maps and new mechs they like but unless they fix the game play and start to rebuild the solo/casual main player base the game is done.

Speaking of new maps you never get to play them much because of the stuppid MM voting system they should go back to random maps no voting crappola. So what good is it for PGI to make them when you don't get to play them much?

Edited by KingCobra, 28 November 2023 - 07:30 AM.

[pbiggz]

KingCobra, on 28 November 2023 - 07:28 AM, said:

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FeeWaiver is right and it is getting worse every month more teams are exploiting sync dropping again it does not matter what side they land on as there all on discord communicating for this farming run on some games, they allied up with the bigger groups on one side and tell those on the opposite team to cripple or kill those who are do well against them.

You would be totally surprised if you all went on discord and hear all the BS going on as they farm players to them this type of game play is no different that the team groups farming smaller teams in faction play was before they killed off the game mode.

So next time you see a player shooting players at the start of a battle saying ohh excuse me I was holding my trigger down or in a heated battle point and you turn around and some one is shooting everyone in the back be sure to look at his team tag it is more than likely is a team member from the other sides group.

To be honest the game really suckkkks now and giving away free mechs ETC. is not going to fix the situation plus they can make all the new maps and new mechs they like but unless they fix the game play and start to rebuild the solo/casual main player base the game is done.

Speaking of new maps you never get to play them much because of the stuppid MM voting system they should go back to random maps no voting crappola. So what good is it for PGI to make them when you don't get to play them much?

Prove. It.

If you're going to claim the game is dying, then prove its dying. If you're going to claim sync dropping farmers are killing t5 pugs, prove they're doing it. You have no smoking gun and you have anecdotes and circumstantial evidence at best. I have 3 years of steam numbers.

Besh, on 27 November 2023 - 08:56 PM, said:

Prove what ? That you are making bold statements about what you think MM is doing, consequently implicating anything anyone says that is different to what you think is a lie, while in reality you obviously do not know what MM does on a daily Basis ?

Nah . I am not here to "win an argument" against someone who thinks I am making stuff up .

Just because you think I may have a desire to lie, or be stupid about MM, will not compell me to do anything . I know you are waiting to be able to come around "see, I am right, you can't prove it" adding "the one who makes a claim has to prove it" ( to which I will answer "Logic is not as simple as you think my friend " ) .

I am not making any claim . I am describing my observations . There is nothing to prove .

I have 3 years of stable steam numbers. You have, at best, circumstantial evidence about how you THINK the matchmaker isn't working or is being exploited.

The burden is on you to prove that what you claim is true, not me. You are making the claims.


And just for the sake of keeping myself honest, I was under the impression you couldn't have more than 1 group per side, but if the max number of grouped players you can have is 5, that means you CAN have a 3 man and a 2 man, so I was wrong.

You are still not vindicated, because separate 3 and 2 mans are hardly a scourge of organized sync droppers, a thing nobody here has verified at all.

Edited by pbiggz, 28 November 2023 - 12:15 PM.

[Bigbacon]

Again, please no 8v8, just asking for group drops to kill rando queue even more.

[feeWAIVER]

They should make quick play 8v8, groups up to 8.
Then they should make FP 12v12, solo drop only.
They should have done that from the get go.
Watch FP get revived overnight.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 28 November 2023 - 12:46 PM.

[pbiggz]

Bigbacon, on 28 November 2023 - 12:40 PM, said:

Again, please no 8v8, just asking for group drops to kill rando queue even more.

Nobody reasonable would expect 8v8 to keep the current max groupings. Realistically, there shouldn't be more than 3 group players per team, maybe even no more than 2. A compromise has to be struck to serve the needs of the most players possible.

[Tarl Cabot]

feeWAIVER, on 28 November 2023 - 12:45 PM, said:

They should make quick play 8v8, groups up to 8.
Then they should make FP 12v12, solo drop only.
They should have done that from the get go.
Watch FP get revived overnight.

HAHA, I see what you did there since there are actually factions, it wouldnt matter if there people were not able to drop as a formed group/team, they would only select the same faction. And if there are a ton of players then it would be more like sync dropping... (chuckes).

[Besh]

pbiggz, on 28 November 2023 - 12:12 PM, said:

You are still not vindicated, because separate 3 and 2 mans are hardly a scourge of organized sync droppers, a thing nobody here has verified at all.

Let me get this straight :

I write "2 organized groups" in some Thread, you reply with "Thats just not possible" - and you think I need vindication ?

You dont think a 3men and a 2men with 1, maybe even 2 or 3 solos syncdropped into the same Team ( I know its not controllable ) all sitting in the same discord and working together is tilting the Balance in Qp Matches, you don't see it happening ( I do ) - so I need vindication ?

To boil it down : you think I need vindication because you don't experience and think what I do ? You think I need vindication for being asked to proove something ( 2 organized Groups on one side ) that you didn't think was possible ? Do I get that right ?

On a sidenote : when it was written here that 2 4men is not possible, but 3 and 2 men would be, you simply changed your tune - and stance - on the fly . Without asking for any proof . Interesting .

Edited by Besh, 29 November 2023 - 02:32 AM.

[Besh]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 28 November 2023 - 03:31 AM, said:

sure. I was merely pointing out that the maximum of pre-organized players per side is 5 (maybe 4), not 10 or more, as was suggested earlier here. There were incidents around the time when the Event Queue was introduced when the group limitations were not working properly, but since then stories like those posted by KingKobra earlier belong into the range of myths and fables.

Well . To apply the same standards as are applied to other people in this here Thread: whan you wrote it is not possible to drop 2 4men - where is the proof ? This is asked in all friendliness, I don't doubt you on principle .

I just finding interesting that one person ( me ) is asked for proof when stating 2 organized Groups can be dropped, while another ( you ) is not asked for proof when stating 2 4men is not possible . I ofc do understand that you may be a trusted member etc. Still...interesting .

Me quoting that post with "all of this" happened because I acknowledge the possibility of 8, 9, 10 people on one side all being working together, talking to each other on the same discord . I am actually convinced I have experienced this ( on the receiving end ) by how some Matches in QP I was in went .

Even if that post ( as of now allegedly ) incorrectly stated 2 4men being syncdropped with 2 Solos, the general observation - and who knows, maybe even first hand knowledge and experience ? - of 10 people on one side being organized, working together by speaking in the same discord, may not be wrong . I am also not entirely sure whether there was a time when syncdropping 2 4men was possible in 12v12 ( people may think "but why, you could make bigger Groups", but it could be something as simple as tonnage, or thinking matches may be found easier/faster when in smaller Groups ), but if there was, maybe that part of that post came from that time . And even though the person writing that comment wrote "now", and that may be wrong - the observation of it having happened may be right .

So I am not AS quick to simply dismiss that post as "myths and fables" .

Edited by Besh, 29 November 2023 - 05:00 AM.

[Besh]

pbiggz, on 28 November 2023 - 12:12 PM, said:

snippedysnip

I have no Idea what fantasy world you live in.

You seem to think there is a somewhat pseudointelligent air around what you are posting re "prove! claim!" . NOONE needs to prove ANYTHING to you my man . People are basically chatting about the game on these Forums .

You are not the personification of truth, and when someone writes something that does not match your experience, they are not "making a claim", and they dont need to "prove" anything to you . YOUR experience and knowledge of the Game is not the endall of it, and you disagreeing with someone does not warrant the kindof inquisitadory "Liar! Proof! " language you are coming up with in response .

Lastly, since I promised : Logic is not as simple as you think my friend . Just because you can parrot some phrase you read on the internet out of context that you think makes you sound smart and "in the right" does not mean any of that . To get you started, think about

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

And, to give you something more "realistic" to think about : Imagine there were no telescopes and similar techinques on earth . How would you prove Halleys comet to anyone who hasn't seen it ?

Edited by Besh, 29 November 2023 - 05:34 AM.

[KingCobra]

The thing is about this subject 8V8 matches is it can work very well to satisfy the coordinated team groups PGI/Cauldron just have to think out of the box if that is possible for them. First off you talk about having enough players to make this work and I say yes there are enough players if you set up in the MM to first match an 8v8 if not a 6v6 if not a 4v4 and drop the game.

This way you would always have enough players to make the MM work as intended plus you have to add into the equation rewards for these competitive players which could be C-Bills to Decals as in nose art for their mechs ETC. Make it competitive with rewards and players will play the game mode.

If it were me I personally would revert Faction play back to year 1 or to year 3 as in function and rewards and make the MM into the same concept as the new 8V8 que I could add more but this would solve a lot of issues between solo/casual players and competitive team groups.

If it did fail you would know for sure as well as PGI that Coordinated groups are cowards and only have intentions of seal clubbing new and existing players and stomp them and the game into oblivion. This also would enhance the FUN wholesome game play of MWO and quite possible start a revival and injection of new players to the game.

Like I said you can put all the Mechs and Maps you want into this game but if it is not Fun Competitive Socially commutive and exciting to play no one will stay with the game.

Edited by KingCobra, 29 November 2023 - 08:04 AM.

[Bigbacon]

pbiggz, on 28 November 2023 - 12:53 PM, said:

Nobody reasonable would expect 8v8 to keep the current max groupings. Realistically, there shouldn't be more than 3 group players per team, maybe even no more than 2. A compromise has to be struck to serve the needs of the most players possible.

So just change the max groupings for 12v12 and bring back a smaller group drop queue. when ever I see 4 mans on my team or the other its one of two outcomes, its meme group that helps your team lose or its a meta group that wipes the floor of the enemy team. Neither is a fun option.

[pbiggz]

Besh, on 29 November 2023 - 05:23 AM, said:

stuff

Banning groups wont make you win more, and yes, that is what this is about.

[KingCobra]

pbiggz, on 29 November 2023 - 04:23 PM, said:

Banning groups wont make you win more, and yes, that is what this is about.

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No pbiggz it is not about banning groups its about the game's survival and how MWO can be fixed to placate groups and solo/casual players in MWO and still make MWO a profitable and fun game for everyone. This should not be a war against players or groups it should be a compromise to retain all players that like MechWarrior as a franchise and Meca in general.

PGI has let the Jr devas and the Cauldron turn MWO into a dog and pony show for their own amusement along with their Coordinated group member friends. Who has this hurt? Everyone who is still a player and a fan plus it has cost PGI and their partners money tons of money from there players and fans that believe the game has gone downhill because of these people's actions and decisions and will not spend money on this game or even Mechwarrior5.

And let's say this to be fair most of these players and staff have good intentions they just have mismanaged the game to a point of no return if this was not the case the true player numbers would be shown of how many actual new players the game has or gained in a month or quarter of game play.

Plus, why are all our great game modes gone? Because players left MWO over bitterness in decisions made by PGI and staff will some return if things changed Maybe only time would tell if the game once more became viable and fun to play again.

Here is just one bad decision PGI made which was take away random map choice and game mode this one decision alone (MM map voting and game mode voting) I personally have left the game many times since it was implemented in protest of being bored out of my mind playing only a few maps a night everyone votes for when this bad feature happened in MWO it started to remind me how close this game really is to WOT and I personally thin WOT is a trash game except for the tank designs.

Edited by KingCobra, 29 November 2023 - 05:44 PM.

[pbiggz]

KingCobra, on 29 November 2023 - 05:37 PM, said:

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No pbiggz it is not about banning groups its about the game's survival and how MWO can be fixed to placate groups and solo/casual players in MWO and still make MWO a profitable and fun game for everyone. This should not be a war against players or groups it should be a compromise to retain all players that like MechWarrior as a franchise and Meca in general.

This is exactly what they already did. The rest of your post is a fanatical diatribe against an imaginary foe and should be dismissed as such. There is no massive decline. Player numbers are not dropping in any way that is significant or can be linked to groups being in the queue. In fact, the opposite is true. They've been hovering around 1000 players on steam, for 3 years straight. For all three of those years, we have had a consolidated queue; a compromise meant to serve the largest player base possible for this game. Largely, it has been successful in doing that, despite your every unfounded assertion otherwise.

You think you get clownstomped by groups. You think if they werent in your matches, you'd win more. You advocate for their removal so you can win more.

We have done this song and dance before. You are not the first to try this, I doubt you'll be the last.

Edited by pbiggz, 29 November 2023 - 08:36 PM.

[Besh]

pbiggz, on 29 November 2023 - 04:23 PM, said:

Banning groups wont make you win more, and yes, that is what this is about.

Maybe cut it with the assumptions and actually read what people are writing.

[pbiggz]

Besh, on 29 November 2023 - 11:51 PM, said:

Maybe cut it with the assumptions and actually read what people are writing.

I did. This is the third time this argument has come up on the forums in 3 years. It only comes up here. It ends the same way every time. It is not a serious argument and if pgi did what you guys wanted, it would kill the game. That is why they haven’t. Any narrative that asserts declining quality and player numbers because they haven’t done the stupid thing is not based in reality. End of story.

[Besh]

pbiggz, on 30 November 2023 - 04:15 AM, said:

I did. ~

I doubt that .

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Besh, on 29 November 2023 - 02:12 AM, said:

Well . To apply the same standards as are applied to other people in this here Thread: whan you wrote it is not possible to drop 2 4men - where is the proof ? This is asked in all friendliness, I don't doubt you on principle .

It's in these patchnotes:
https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__6466832

[Besh]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 30 November 2023 - 04:45 AM, said:

It's in these patchnotes:
https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__6466832

Great, thanks .

[pbiggz]

Besh, on 30 November 2023 - 04:27 AM, said:

I doubt that .

That's not my problem.