78 replies to this topic

[TheNoob]

Why is there a 4 page thread over someone crying about a dude laughing in a match....

[Moadebe]

TheNoob, on 10 December 2023 - 07:51 AM, said:

Why is there a 4 page thread over someone crying about a dude laughing in a match....

Hi!

Welcome to the Forums...




In all seriousness though. People are a little fed up with the "git gud" mentality and people just being horrible human beings for no other reason than their ego. This is a hobby with a competitive aspect. Not a competitive game with a hobby side. (incoming because I just said that....)

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Besh, on 09 December 2023 - 10:52 PM, said:

Example ? QP Chasis useage Stats have been shared on discord, which is excellent . When, what channel ? Well, either you were there, or are informed by someone who was there when it happened, or you'll likely not know about it . Afaik, hasn't even been stickied .

Yes, probably should be in a "stats" channel much like patch notes and "leaks" (which are pretty good at drumming up what little hype a game in maintenance mode can have). At least the search function in Discord is useful, A LOT more useful than search on these forums.

[Horseman]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 10 December 2023 - 09:29 AM, said:

Yes, probably should be in a "stats" channel much like patch notes and "leaks" (which are pretty good at drumming up what little hype a game in maintenance mode can have). At least the search function in Discord is useful, A LOT more useful than search on these forums.

The search functionality PGI directs everyone to is garbage, yes.
There is a more useful one that takes a little digging to find: https://mwomercs.com...e&module=search

[Ekson Valdez]

The post Cauldron Feedback And Info has since been pinned to the ANNOUNCEMENTS section.

[Moadebe]

Ekson Valdez, on 10 December 2023 - 11:42 PM, said:

[mod]The post Cauldron Feedback And Info has since been pinned to the ANNOUNCEMENTS section.[/mod]

Thank you.

Sorely needed and greatly appreciated.

BTW....is there an RSS feed or someway to link any announcements given to an outside area say discord? Trying to create a news channel in discord so it stays up to date with both announcements from this website and any news stuff on the cauldron discord for a centralized place of info.

Edited by Moadebe, 11 December 2023 - 12:02 AM.

[Horseman]

Moadebe, on 10 December 2023 - 11:59 PM, said:

BTW....is there an RSS feed or someway to link any announcements given to an outside area say discord? Trying to create a news channel in discord so it stays up to date with both announcements from this website and any news stuff on the cauldron discord for a centralized place of info.

Someone already built a Discord bot for MWO news: https://discord.gg/ZSV48WvVPJ

[Besh]

KursedVixen, on 10 December 2023 - 07:03 AM, said:

and some people won't even stay on topic making the sub-catagories even more confusing... and then the chat goes on filling the sub catagory with even more comments problem in discord is conversations can go on so long you can scroll for hours and not find what you want new users of discord might not understand it at least on a forum you have pages to divide some of the dicussion.

Exactly . That is what I meant when I wrote "becomes nothing more than a chatterbox" . Being on cauldron feedback discord for a while now, there is no doubt it is not a suitable tool to make providing information about the Game/balancing changes/topics being discussed re Balance a "cauldron discord exclusive" thing .

[Besh]

Ekson Valdez, on 10 December 2023 - 11:42 PM, said:

[mod]The post Cauldron Feedback And Info has since been pinned to the ANNOUNCEMENTS section.[/mod]

Nice, thanks !

Now make "Cauldron Feedback and Info" posts/threads a thing occurring at regular intervals ( right after patch would maybe a good moment ), provide Information about topics/issues/rationale behind decisions being made, and make sure the discord Link is included each and every time .

Edited by Besh, 11 December 2023 - 02:07 AM.

[Ekson Valdez]

Besh, on 11 December 2023 - 02:07 AM, said:

Nice, thanks !

Now make "Cauldron Feedback and Info" posts/threads a thing occurring at regular intervals ( right after patch would maybe a good moment ), provide Information about topics/issues/rationale behind decisions being made, and make sure the discord Link is included each and every time .

If someone steps up and voluntarily puts up some sort of monthly action report that akkumulates everything that is going on that discord, on a regular basis and for free, I'll happily talk with staff about pinning that to the very top of the general discussion board and I'll personally see to pin it there everytime.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Most helpful, thank you!

As to searching the MWO forum, I’ve found that hitting up google and searching mwomercs.com for a phrase and limiting it by time is most useful.

[foamyesque]

Vxheous, on 08 December 2023 - 02:52 PM, said:

I occasionally bring out a LRM 105 Blood Asp for the lulz with a few friends, then people get mad when they get narc'ed and like LRM 300 clag them to oblivion and start complaining. /shrug

I've said it before, I'll say it again: The problem in balancing LRMs is, specifically, NARCs. Nerf NARCs, make LRMs better weapons individually.

[Besh]

Ekson Valdez, on 11 December 2023 - 02:28 AM, said:

If someone steps up and voluntarily puts up some sort of monthly action report that akkumulates everything that is going on that discord, on a regular basis and for free, I'll happily talk with staff about pinning that to the very top of the general discussion board and I'll personally see to pin it there everytime.

Much appreciated .

There just might be a small group of volunteers willing to do that . If so, they will step up .

Edited by Besh, 11 December 2023 - 05:41 AM.

[Ignatius Audene]

foamyesque, on 11 December 2023 - 04:50 AM, said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again: The problem in balancing LRMs is, specifically, NARCs. Nerf NARCs, make LRMs better weapons individually.

Jup. Make Narc not hold line of sight, and in return buff tracking, lock on time, spread, velocity, missile health, ammo etc big. THEN lrm can be buffed without ruining cordinatedplay like fp.

[Moadebe]

Ekson Valdez, on 11 December 2023 - 02:28 AM, said:

If someone steps up and voluntarily puts up some sort of monthly action report that akkumulates everything that is going on that discord, on a regular basis and for free, I'll happily talk with staff about pinning that to the very top of the general discussion board and I'll personally see to pin it there everytime.

Ill see what I can do. No guarantees in the sense that many things sorta happen when they happen. So its not like its like clockwork from what I have seen.

foamyesque, on 11 December 2023 - 04:50 AM, said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again: The problem in balancing LRMs is, specifically, NARCs. Nerf NARCs, make LRMs better weapons individually.

What would be better?

Getting behind cover and it actually being useful or just nerfing NARCs and NARCs just doing their thing still?

Personally. One of the biggest problems is the sense that you can try to get behind cover but because of the attack angle of LRMs said cover is pointless.

Seems to me like the arc and attack angle of indirect lrm fire is the main culprit here. Lessen that angle and even if you are NARCed you can still utilize cover properly.

Horseman, on 11 December 2023 - 01:04 AM, said:

Someone already built a Discord bot for MWO news: https://discord.gg/ZSV48WvVPJ

Thanks. Didnt know it existed. Guess ill have to figure out how to get it to feed into a channel on a different server from here. Cheers

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Moadebe, on 11 December 2023 - 06:22 AM, said:

Thanks. Didnt know it existed. Guess ill have to figure out how to get it to feed into a channel on a different server from here. Cheers

That's easy. Just invite the Bot to your server and tell him to post in a certain channel

[ScrapIron Prime]

foamyesque, on 11 December 2023 - 04:50 AM, said:

I've said it before, I'll say it again: The problem in balancing LRMs is, specifically, NARCs. Nerf NARCs, make LRMs better weapons individually.

Agreed. My opinion, make LRMs faster velocity and faster lock on times in direct line of sight only. Then they're like half damage MRM's with a minimum range that can sometimes fire indirect.

Not sure that can even be done with the current code base, though, particularly the separating direct and indirect velocities.

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 11 December 2023 - 10:02 AM.

[foamyesque]

Make the NARC fire more obvious, and chop the duration so it needs to be fired more often. It exposes NARC machines to more risk, and it means when they tag you with a hit you're not stuck under a bridge or behind a rock for an eternity waiting for it to wear off.

I've never seen anyone put out an 'LRMs are so OP' compilation that didn't involve a NARCer. Because without a NARC, they aren't -- they're the slowest moving projectile in the game, with all sorts of counters, and they deal hot sandblast damage. They even have volley duration on the Clan side, and as we all know by now, volley duration is all you need to buy zero spread and 2000m/s+ velocities in a balanced weapon. :v

[RickySpanish]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 December 2023 - 09:39 AM, said:

I don't honestly ever remember that being meta ever, but TBH, by that point LRMs had been established as feast or famine. The only time LRMs were ever remotely meta was before DHS and ECM when there were less counters and just less options for assaults in general.


By the time gauss charge came, ghost heat was already in place and everyone had switch to PPCs/UAC5s for the DPS. The 3 PPC+Gauss HGN was killed by ghost heat iirc because I don't remember it honestly having a long life. AC20 + PPC was the equivalent of SNAC in the current era, and the Shadow Hawk and I believe Misery were what used that, but those were brawling builds at the time and I don't remember them having a long life either due to various velocity nerfs around the same time.

I kinda wish the meta was chronicled somewhere, memory is fickle and it would be interesting to see the changes throughout MWO's history.

Shadowhawk could fit a UAC-5 and 2 PPCs, AC20 on it got paired with SRMs. The Shadowhawk was stupidly powerful when it came out, it replaced my Highlander more or less. But until then, AC-20 and PPCs with 1 JJ doing all the work and no shake was phenomenal. It deleted Cataphracts. Range didn't matter back then, it was all drops on Caustic, Frozen and Forest Colony.