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[martian]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

Lucky coincidence, that it was Assault and other Light pilot was skilled enough to draw this guy towards their base.

Make up your mind: "Lucky coincidence" or "skilled light pilot"?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

If it would have been Skirmish - this guy would have killed us both, as he had killed ~3 'Mechs solo before that.

Sounds legit. Killing enemy 'Mechs is the point of this game.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

You should clearly understand. This guy - is so called K/D farmer, ...

"K/D farmer"? You mean,a successful player?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

I hate shorty Lights/Mediums, that are way too small for firepower they have. Shadow Cats, Cicadas, etc. are so popular exactly due to this obvious exploit.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

... , who exploits certain 'Mechs/builds to farm kills.

Do not use words that you do not understand, please. Piloting light or medium 'Mechs is not an exploit. Not even if those light or medium 'Mechs are smaller than your assault 'Mech. And not even if they outrange you.

Your 'Mech's loadout is your responsibility.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

100% legit tactic.

Players are free to drop in any 'Mech that the game client lets them.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

Cuz unfortunately this game doesn't have any mechanics to prevent players from playing ER-LL boat Lights/Mediums, that can just run away around map for whole match.

And you can drop in any of your Assault-class 'Mechs loaded with as many Clan ER Large lasers or Clan ER PPCs as you can fit, and blast those enemy 'Mechs whenever you can see them.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

If you lose your opportunity to kill them at early stages of match - you're doomed.

Why? Enemy 'Mechs are free game right to the end of the game.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

This is one of reasons, why I hate PVP.

Go and buy MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries and MechWarrior 5: Clans. Or - if you prefer - buy MechWarrior 1, 2, 3 or 4.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

Because fair PVP is about unspoken agreement not to use "legit" exploits. Problem is - some players play according to "What isn't prohibited - is allowed".

Deploying in a 'Mech smaller than yours and armed with weapons, that outrange yours, is not an exploit.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

And all other players have to counter them somehow (for example all players should play laser-vomit to counter laser-vomit), ...

Absolute nonsense.

Do you realize that you have for example various ballistic weapons such various autocannons or Gauss Rifles that have range comparable with lasers? And that your assault-class 'Mechs are quite suited for running heavy and bulky guns?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

..., that leads to unhealthy Meta.

The fact that other players are more skilled than you is not "unhealthy Meta".

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

That's why we should have good matchmaker. If it's impossible to fix balance, then such guys should play against each other only instead of ruining game for other players.

If being in Tier 3 is too difficult for you, PSR will move you to some easier Tier soon. Everything is working as designed.

[epikt]

I haven't read the whole thread (who is crazy enough?), but previous page I see the OP posting (as "proof"?) a screenshot of a 12-11 game where everyone more or less pulled their weight, a game that from what I see appears perfectly balanced and was probably quite exciting. When I have such a match, my reaction is "waouh, nice game, gg everyone" and I think that this time the MM did its job.
And it is supposed to be the evidence something is wrong?

As for mediums and lights, as a mainly fast mech pilot, I feel attacked
One good thing about MWO is that most mechs are able to have an impact in the game, no matter the playstyle and class (it's not perfect by any mean, but the Cauldron is doing a great job giving everyone a chance). This is what is keeping the game fresh for me.
As for the two accused mechs, sure, the ShadowCat is one of the best chassis of the game, mostly due to the build diversity it can carry. But the Cicada? Damn this thing is niche and only played by few aficionados.

edit: according to the latest stats, Cicada isn't the less played medium, far from it... maybe I just don't meet them often, maybe I just don't see them because they don't have a big impact: 1.02 W/L and 0.98 K/D are not the best ratios.
Also, if you look at those stats, you'll notice green color is mostly a the heaviest side of the sheet => lights and mediums are not the best performers.

Edited by epikt, 27 December 2024 - 04:55 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Bud Crue, on 27 December 2024 - 03:34 AM, said:

So someone playing with effort and skill to try and win, excuse me,rather to "K/D farm" is somehow exploiting the game and ruining your experience? Lol.

OK, this is a true colors moment for me that I guess should have realized a few pages back: You are trolling us all with this nonsense.

K/D fetish - is unhealthy behavior, when guys play PVP game PVE way, i.e. don't like to die. Do you think it's correct way to play this game?

epikt, on 27 December 2024 - 04:46 AM, said:

I haven't read the whole thread (who is crazy enough?), but previous page I see the OP posting (as "proof"?) a screenshot of a 12-11 game where everyone more or less pulled their weight, a game that from what I see appears perfectly balanced and was probably quite exciting. When I have such a match, my reaction is "waouh, nice game, gg everyone" and I think that this time the MM did its job.
And it is supposed to be the evidence something is wrong?

As for mediums and lights, as a mainly fast mech pilot, I feel attacked
One good thing about MWO is that most mechs are able to have an impact in the game, no matter the playstyle and class (it's not perfect by any mean, but the Cauldron is doing a great job giving everyone a chance). This is what is keeping the game fresh for me.
As for the two accused mechs, sure, the ShadowCat is one of the best chassis of the game, mostly due to the build diversity it can carry. But the Cicada? Damn this thing is niche and only played by few aficionados.

edit: according to the latest stats, Cicada isn't the less played medium, far from it... maybe I just don't meet them often, maybe I just don't see them because they don't have a big impact: 1.02 W/L and 0.98 K/D are not the best ratios.
Also, if you look at those stats, you'll notice green color is mostly a the heaviest side of the sheet => lights and mediums are not the best performers.

You don't see whole picture. It was something like 11:6 and then this guy killed 4 'Mechs one after one, turning it into 11:10. It's just wrong, when some player can solo-win match for his team. We had such problem back in poptart abuse times. One Victor could solo-win match for his team. Guess what? JJs were nerfed after that. ER-LL/ER-PPC mediums are harder to nerf. Because it's not MW4 and we don't have sized hardpoints. May be negative quirks? Devs refuse to do it even in case of Piranhas.

Edited by MrMadguy, 27 December 2024 - 06:04 AM.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 05:58 AM, said:

K/D fetish - is unhealthy behavior, when guys play PVP game PVE way, i.e. don't like to die. Do you think it's correct way to play this game?

You cant win every game man. This is a PVP multiplayer game. Sometimes you're going to get outplayed, and that's doubly true if you don't want to accept even the mildest constructive criticism or advice.

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 05:58 AM, said:

K/D fetish - is unhealthy behavior

Still hating light and medium 'Mechs that you can not kill easily?

LOL

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 05:58 AM, said:

K/D fetish - is unhealthy, when guys play PVP game PVE way, i.e. don't like to die.

You wrote probably the most comical post in this thread: Blaming enemy players who keep refusing to show up and stand still, in order for you to kill them ...

So when you play MechWarrior Online (PvP), do you like to die? Or do you rather prefer to stay alive and keep contributing to your team's possible victory?

And, since you mentioned it: When you play MechWarrior 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 (all PvE), do you like to die and lose the mission?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 05:58 AM, said:

Do you think it's correct way to play this game?

I would guess that many MWO players play to stay alive, kill enemy 'Mechs and win (or die trying) rather than to be killed and lose.

Edited by martian, 27 December 2024 - 12:41 PM.

[Void Angel]

epikt, on 27 December 2024 - 04:46 AM, said:

I haven't read the whole thread (who is crazy enough?)

I am!

The Cicadas got some much-needed boosts a few months back, but they're still not overpowered death machines.

Edited by Void Angel, 27 December 2024 - 09:49 AM.

[Void Angel]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 05:58 AM, said:

K/D fetish - is unhealthy behavior, when guys play PVP game PVE way, i.e. don't like to die. Do you think it's correct way to play this game?


You don't see whole picture. It was something like 11:6 and then this guy killed 4 'Mechs one after one, turning it into 11:10. It's just wrong, when some player can solo-win match for his team. We had such problem back in poptart abuse times. One Victor could solo-win match for his team. Guess what? JJs were nerfed after that. ER-LL/ER-PPC mediums are harder to nerf. Because it's not MW4 and we don't have sized hardpoints. May be negative quirks? Devs refuse to do it even in case of Piranhas.

What a load of nonsense - you tell him he "doesn't see the whole picture," then proceed to demonstrate what that looks like! This statement is idiotic; you're propping up a Cicada as some kind of hyper-powerful death machine, and pretending that it's "wrong" for someone to get killing blows on damaged 'mechs at the end of the match! As if the Cicada just chugged a pot of coffee and insta-merked four fresh 'Mechs like the Flash or something - rather than finishing off damaged 'mechs as they tried to hunt him down. Are you trying to come across as a complete idiot?

Same thing with the poptart meta. No Victor was going to "solo-win" any match. I know, I was there; one poptart didn't make much of a difference. The problem with the poptart meta was that no other strategy could compete with it, giving the team with the most poptarts a distinct advantage - not because a poptarting Assault was some kind of Gundam pilot merking people left and right.

It's amazing how deeply you're willing to embarrass yourself just to keep arguing. You don't actually think that refusing to admit your many defeats makes you credible, do you? Seriously, if your builds suck that bad, and you refuse to learn anything to improve - go play one of the MechWarrior 5s! Both Mercenaries and Clans are excellent single-player games where you won't have any matchmaker to "persecute" you.

Edited by Void Angel, 27 December 2024 - 10:03 AM.

[Bassault]

Let's say 1 guy did solo carry the game... he must've made some very good decisions and have a significant amount of skill to do so. Why should he be barred from success if he does everything correctly and his opponents fail to stop him? It's a pvp game, a competition between players.

Edited by Bassault, 27 December 2024 - 12:08 PM.

[pbiggz]

Bassault, on 27 December 2024 - 12:02 PM, said:

Let's say 1 guy did solo carry the game... he must've made some very good decisions and have a significant amount of skill to do so. Why should he be barred from success if he does everything correctly and his opponents fail to stop him? It's a pvp game, a competition between players.

I mean its pretty cut and dry. In order for other people to win madguy sometimes has to lose, and madguy never wants to lose, therefore in his view anyone else winning is unfair, unacceptable, and illegitimate. Its the same thing he screamed to the heavens in the last thread where he claimed the matchmaker was making him lose. No matter what happens madguy is not allowed to win, and if you ask him about why he thinks that he'll deny it.

[MrMadguy]

Bassault, on 27 December 2024 - 12:02 PM, said:

Let's say 1 guy did solo carry the game... he must've made some very good decisions and have a significant amount of skill to do so. Why should he be barred from success if he does everything correctly and his opponents fail to stop him? It's a pvp game, a competition between players.

Very good decisions? Significant amount of skill? Playing ER-LL boat is as no brain, as playing poptart. Good thing - not all such players are successful. While may be they farm their own score, they gimp their team in most cases. Because they sit 1000 meters away and it's easy to avoid their fire, while their team lacks one player. Not all of them are sneaky enough to solo-kill half of enemy team. I didn't make screenshot, but my last match today was very similar. I'm not sure, how many kills that guy farmed, but he killed 2-3 my teammates before being killed by me. Again, yeah. He was that ER-LL sniper, who was sitting on a top of hill for whole match and then started to run away from 5-6 enemy 'Mechs. Thanks god, he wasn't Light, so it was easy to catch him. And such guys think, that they're skillful, cuz they play their own Rambo style, while in realty they actually non-participate.

But it's offtopic. We shouldn't discuss each and every case of abusing/exploiting something, that leads to one single player outplaying 23 others. What we discuss here - is that it shouldn't happen in Tier 3/4. Matchmaking should protect us from such abuse. Otherwise it's pointless.

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:38 PM, said:

Very good decisions? Significant amount of skill? Playing ER-LL boat is as no brain, as playing poptart.

How do you rate players running Clan assault Lurmboats? How much skill does it take?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:38 PM, said:

Good thing - not all such players are successful. While may be they farm their own score, they gimp their team in most cases. Because they sit 1000 meters away and it's easy to avoid their fire, while their team lacks one player. Not all of them are sneaky enough to solo-kill half of enemy team. I didn't make screenshot, but my last match today was very similar. I'm not sure, how many kills that guy farmed, but he killed 2-3 my teammates before being killed by me. Again, yeah. He was that ER-LL sniper, who was sitting on a top of hill for whole match and then started to run away from 5-6 enemy 'Mechs. Thanks god, he wasn't Light, so it was easy to catch him. And such guys think, that they're skillful, cuz they play their own Rambo style, while in realty they actually non-participate.

I would say that if somebody gets 2-3 kills or more AND keeps 5-6 enemy 'Mechs busy, then he kinda participates.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:38 PM, said:

But it's offtopic. We shouldn't discuss each and every case of abusing/exploiting something, that leads to one single player outplaying 23 others. What we discuss here - is that it shouldn't happen in Tier 3/4. Matchmaking should protect us from such abuse. Otherwise it's pointless.

No, MWO players - in Tier 3 and 4 - can employ various tactics. Your attempts to call various playstyles that you dislike "exploiting" and "abusing" can not change that.

Nobody is obliged to play the way that would let you kill him easily.

[MrMadguy]

martian, on 27 December 2024 - 01:56 PM, said:

How do you rate players running Clan assault Lurmboats? How much skill does it take?

I would say that if somebody gets 2-3 kills or more AND keeps 5-6 enemy 'Mechs busy, then he kinda participates.

No, MWO players - in Tier 3 and 4 - can employ various tactics. Your attempts to call various playstyles that you dislike "exploiting" and "abusing" can not change that.

Nobody is obliged to play the way that would let you kill him easily.

It's not skill. It's having fresh 'Mech at the end of match vs several damaged opponents, who are stretched due to having various speeds.

This is exact reason, why I don't like PVP. Too much room for abusing/exploiting, because devs can't do anything to fix it, so only thing they can do - to call it legit tactic.

No. I don't want to play game, where player X gets fun at expense of other players. It's, you know, unfair. If he doesn't respect other players, then may be it's HE, who should play against bots in PVE game then?

As soon, as event is completed - I'm done with this game.

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

It's not skill. It's having fresh 'Mech at the end of match vs several damaged opponents, who are stretched due to having various speeds.

LOL

So having a battered 'Mech "at the end of match vs several damaged opponents" would be a sign of a skilled player?

And of course, such "skilled player" should charge the entire enemy group head-on to prove his skill, right?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

This is exact reason, why I don't like PVP. Too much room for abusing/exploiting, because devs can't do anything to fix it, so only thing they can do - to call it legit tactic.

Running light or medium 'Mechs is no "abusing/exploiting", no matter how many times you repeat it.

Arming 'Mechs with ER Large lasers is no "abusing/exploiting".

Refusing to park their light or medium 'Mechs in front of your assault 'Mech, so you can kill them, is no "abusing/exploiting".

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

No. I don't want to play game, where player X gets fun at expense of other players. It's, you know, unfair. If he doesn't respect other players, then may be it's HE, who should play against bots in PVE game then?

So instead of "you" adapting the game, you expect that everybody and everything will adapt to your playstyle, so you have an easy work with them? I am afraid that you will be disappointed, since this is not going to happen.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

As soon, as event is completed - I'm done with this game.

As you wish.

Here are the links that you will need:

• MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries
  
• MechWarrior 5: Clans
  
• BATTLETECH

[Vxheous]

I lost braincells reading this thread

[Quicksilver Aberration]

This is giving me "legging is dishonorable" vibes from previous mechwarriors. There's a BIG difference between an actual exploit (a bug/glitch that gives people advantages, that is, it is unintended behavior of the game) and exploiting the advantages of your build (high mobility + high range) against others who might lack the range, speed, or armor to really contend with you.

If the PGI considered it problematic, they would've looked into a way to fix it no different than they attempted with poptarts, otherwise it's fair game. I skimmed this, but no, the Cicada isn't OP, in fact I'd consider it pretty meh given how fragile it is thanks to its glass jaw. If you think it's OP you're only showing people the lack of skill you have.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 27 December 2024 - 03:11 PM.

[Der Geisterbaer]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

As soon, as event is completed - I'm done with this game.

It's as if I have read this line from you before ...

[An6ryMan69]

For the OP -the matchmaker is quite poor, but it CAN be worse than it usually is.

Just look at how it is when it is turned off because of EQ events...the game is pretty much unplayable.

Then it's literally full groups of elites vs random solo cadets...that's what's just inexcusable.

Edited by An6ryMan69, 27 December 2024 - 05:35 PM.

[pbiggz]

An6ryMan69, on 27 December 2024 - 05:32 PM, said:

For the OP -the matchmaker is quite poor, but it CAN be worse than it usually is.

Its really not that bad. People who think its really bad are ones who tend to be more eager to externalize their losses rather than trying to understand what actually happened in each match.

An6ryMan69, on 27 December 2024 - 05:32 PM, said:

Just look at how it is when it is turned off because of EQ events...the game is pretty much unplayable.

Then it's literally full groups of elites vs random solo cadets...that's what's just inexcusable.

Ah, that's your angle.

It's been literal years can you guys find a new boogeyman instead of continuing to imply everyone who has friends is a cheater?

Edited by pbiggz, 27 December 2024 - 07:08 PM.

[Arnetheus]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

This is exact reason, why I don't like PVP. Too much room for abusing/exploiting, because devs can't do anything to fix it, so only thing they can do - to call it legit tactic.

No. I don't want to play game, where player X gets fun at expense of other players. It's, you know, unfair. If he doesn't respect other players, then may be it's HE, who should play against bots in PVE game then?

As soon, as event is completed - I'm done with this game.

The levels of copium and entitlement are off the charts.
And all of this coming from a simple inability to recognize oneself being bad at some videogame, as if it's some unrecoverable stain on your character as a person.
Must come up with a dozen of lies and nonsensical takes as to why you are being "held down", instead of learning how things work.

By all the looks of it, you're the one who should stick to PvE games.

MrMadguy, on 18 December 2024 - 02:28 AM, said:

I have been playing broken game for all those years. So, I guess, it's better to just do what other players do. To quit.

This was written on 18th^
Why this thread is still going on? It's clearly not good for your mental, according to your own words.

Edited by Arnetheus, 27 December 2024 - 09:56 PM.

[Davegt27]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:07 PM, said:

It's not skill. It's having fresh 'Mech at the end of match vs several damaged opponents, who are stretched due to having various speeds.

This is exact reason, why I don't like PVP. Too much room for abusing/exploiting, because devs can't do anything to fix it, so only thing they can do - to call it legit tactic.

No. I don't want to play game, where player X gets fun at expense of other players. It's, you know, unfair. If he doesn't respect other players, then may be it's HE, who should play against bots in PVE game then?

As soon, as event is completed - I'm done with this game.

Its rough out there
and if you say anything you get what I call shouted down
(basically players line up with baseball bats to take wacks at you, sort of like Airplane)


lol
finding ways to enjoy the game has become key for me but don't tell anyone what it is because well reasons

as a kid we made up our own rules for football, kickball and others the games where always fun
mostly because we made up the teams and we would object if the teams where unbalanced

I mean we played with ages 8 thru 16 (street football), we would never allow 2 top players on the same side

MWO you can some what mitigate the match making problems by making a group on 4 top players (or even just a group of 4 will do the trick)

one player even had a count of games won to how many lost but I think PGI made him take it down since he had well over 200 wins (I think)

MWO seems to celebrate every player that leaves the game (with the "get good")

its a Bizzaro MWO world

we used to say at least the mech on mech combat is good (well that was a mistake to say that out loud)

try to play just a few games a day it seems to ease the pain
take your best killers (like FP)

there is more advice just let us know
good luck

Edited by Davegt27, 27 December 2024 - 10:26 PM.