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[pald84]

MrMadguy, on 20 December 2024 - 02:30 AM, said:

No, it doesn't work this way. I don't need Shadowhawks, Shadow Cats, Shadow anything. If I want to play Bullshark - I buy Bullshark and play it. If Assaults are gimped in this game - then, well, it's just about devs shotting at their own leg.

Man, the bulkshark is meta .. 😂 it's probably one of the best assault if the game

[Void Angel]

Don't bring reality into this; you'll only confuse him - his Vitamin W is really low.

[Saved By The Bell]

Game is unplayable I ll take a vacation.

[pattonesque]

hey guys, glad I found this thread. I think some of the folks in here could really help me with a problem I have

so I'm trying out for a local club baseball team and I have several issues.

1. many players hold their bats by the handle and hit the ball with the barrel. this is "meta" to me and very unfun. I prefer to hold the bat by the barrel and hit the ball with the handle. But so far this hasn't resulted in many successful hits and my batting average is .035. This is probably because the baseball devs are idiots.

2. sometimes I go up against a really good pitcher who can strike everyone else out in three pitches and is a tryhard metaslave (he actually puts some torque into his pitches and sometimes they move in unexpected ways. what the heck!?). When this happens I don't even bother trying to hit. what's the point? why am I being punished for not trying when there is clearly no way on earth I can win? The baseball devs should make this easier and force the pitcher to wear weights on his arms or something.

3. On defense, I like playing catcher. But many small, fast baserunners steal bases on me all the time! Now, my arm is weak and I can only throw about 40 miles per hour. I'm also not very accurate, so only about 10 percent of my throws actually arrive at second base. And I actually don't like setting up right behind the batter (again, this is *meta* and limits my creativity) so instead I crouch about 20 feet behind home plate. I'm not willing to change any of this and you're a bad person for suggesting ways I could improve, so could the baseball devs nerf baserunning?

The result here is that my team rarely wins, and the coach has suggested I play in a remedial league. Why am I being expected to carry all of these other horrible players? I just want to have fun.

Anyway I figure this thread is a good place to get some advice on this. Bear in mind I will be extremely hostile to you if you don't tell me what I want to hear. Thanks in advance.

Edited by pattonesque, 01 January 2025 - 11:18 AM.

[pbiggz]

Davegt27, on 31 December 2024 - 09:47 AM, said:

go ahead attack me all you want but you still won't have a clue

You seem to be labouring under the delusion that anytime someone offers constructive criticism it is tantamount to elitism/gatekeeping and is no different than being personally oppressed by the Cauldron.

The difference between you and OP, and the rest of us, is that when we lose, we think about what went wrong and how to change so that we might do better in the next match. When you lose, you make a post about how evil cauldron developers are nerfing you personally, and anyone who plays according to the meta is an evil exploiter.

Which position do you think is the legitimate one here? Do you think demanding that developers nerf your opponents and buff you personally so you can always win is remotely a reasonable thing to ask for? Yes or no?

Davegt27, on 31 December 2024 - 09:47 AM, said:

mean while the game hovers around 1000 players

The fact that its still at 1000 players and its been what? 5 years? That's remarkable stability. Especially after the game essentially crashed out to near-zero numbers. Games like this dont come back from the dead. The fact that MWO did is a sign, at least in part, of the game being responsibly managed; a thing you don't seem to know anything about.

Davegt27, on 31 December 2024 - 09:47 AM, said:

your savior the Caldron has not changed anything

Who said the cauldron are my saviours? I have been vocally critical of their decisions in the past, I am also vocally supportive of their decisions when they are positive, and generally, they are. Can you explain to us what it is about the cauldron you dislike so much? Or are you content to make them whatever amorphous villain is convenient for you at any given moment?

[foamyesque]

martian, on 24 December 2024 - 04:55 AM, said:

And thanks for giving me a good laugh with this: "Playing LRM boat is similar to playing Light 'Mech."

They're more similar than you might think, if you're not dropping with a NARC buddy.

[epikt]

LRM boat or light mech? Why not both?

[RockmachinE]

epikt, on 01 January 2025 - 09:55 PM, said:

LRM boat or light mech? Why not both?

Just saw one in the wild recently!

[pattonesque]

Manboobs-sama, on 02 January 2025 - 06:37 AM, said:

Based! I find bullying and ridicule to be the best way to teach lessers their place! Have an updoot!

generally more experienced players in this game are considerate when giving advice or the like. the difference here is that OP has made some variant of this thread, in which he is actively hostile to any kind of suggestion that *maybe* the way he plays the game is the reason why he can't quite manage a 1.0 W/LR, for like a full decade. So folks have moved on from being helpful to ridiculing.

[Void Angel]

I'm not even bothering with ridicule - I'm straight up just fighting his disinformation at this point.

[martian]

foamyesque, on 01 January 2025 - 09:39 PM, said:

They're more similar than you might think, if you're not dropping with a NARC buddy.

When MrMadguy is talking about light 'Mechs, he does not mean tiny LRM-boats, but 'Mechs such as for example Piranha.

[foamyesque]

martian, on 03 January 2025 - 09:42 AM, said:

When MrMadguy is talking about light 'Mechs, he does not mean tiny LRM-boats, but 'Mechs such as for example Piranha.

I am aware. What I mean is that a solo-drop LRM machine needs to be cautious in its exposures, primarily shoot mechs already engaged by someone else, and are extremely vulnerable to high-DPS/high alpha short-range fire, but can be extremely effective if it gets the fights it wants -- and while you can say these are all true of any machine, IME they are particularly true of lights and LRM boats, and the similarity is the closest with lights intended to fight at long ranges, like your ERLL ACHs for example.

[MrMadguy]

pattonesque, on 01 January 2025 - 11:17 AM, said:

hey guys, glad I found this thread. I think some of the folks in here could really help me with a problem I have

so I'm trying out for a local club baseball team and I have several issues.

1. many players hold their bats by the handle and hit the ball with the barrel. this is "meta" to me and very unfun. I prefer to hold the bat by the barrel and hit the ball with the handle. But so far this hasn't resulted in many successful hits and my batting average is .035. This is probably because the baseball devs are idiots.

2. sometimes I go up against a really good pitcher who can strike everyone else out in three pitches and is a tryhard metaslave (he actually puts some torque into his pitches and sometimes they move in unexpected ways. what the heck!?). When this happens I don't even bother trying to hit. what's the point? why am I being punished for not trying when there is clearly no way on earth I can win? The baseball devs should make this easier and force the pitcher to wear weights on his arms or something.

3. On defense, I like playing catcher. But many small, fast baserunners steal bases on me all the time! Now, my arm is weak and I can only throw about 40 miles per hour. I'm also not very accurate, so only about 10 percent of my throws actually arrive at second base. And I actually don't like setting up right behind the batter (again, this is *meta* and limits my creativity) so instead I crouch about 20 feet behind home plate. I'm not willing to change any of this and you're a bad person for suggesting ways I could improve, so could the baseball devs nerf baserunning?

The result here is that my team rarely wins, and the coach has suggested I play in a remedial league. Why am I being expected to carry all of these other horrible players? I just want to have fun.

Anyway I figure this thread is a good place to get some advice on this. Bear in mind I will be extremely hostile to you if you don't tell me what I want to hear. Thanks in advance.

There is nothing wrong about playing sub-optimally. That's, what is called being amateur. What is wrong - is not having amateur league. I don't have to learn to play like Messi, if I want to play street football.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

MrMadguy, on 28 January 2025 - 07:24 PM, said:

There is nothing wrong about playing sub-optimally. That's, what is called being amateur. What is wrong - is not having amateur league. I don't have to learn to play like Messi, if I want to play street football.

There's a difference between amateur and beer league. One has aspiration of rising to the professional leagues (and often will try to emulate the professionals), the other has none.

[MrMadguy]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 28 January 2025 - 07:31 PM, said:

There's a difference between amateur and beer league. One has aspiration of rising to the professional leagues (and often will try to emulate the professionals), the other has none.

Because pro means getting paid. Call me, when PGI will start to pay for being pro player. Otherwise I see no reason to invest effort into improving skill, that isn't useful IRL.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 28 January 2025 - 07:45 PM, said:

Because pro means getting paid. Call me, when PGI will start to pay for being pro player. Otherwise I see no reason to invest effort into improving skill, that isn't useful IRL.

Coming back a month later to double down on your absolute dedication to never doing anything to win your games, and your absolute fixation on demanding that anything and anyone that kills you be nerfed, sanctioned, or otherwise removed, is a hell of a thing to do.

[Void Angel]

MrMadguy, on 28 January 2025 - 07:45 PM, said:

Because pro means getting paid. Call me, when PGI will start to pay for being pro player. Otherwise I see no reason to invest effort into improving skill, that isn't useful IRL.

You keep on trying that silly argument - it's just tiring at this point. You're engaging in a very sloppy logical fallacy called a false dichotomy - either PGI has to "pay you for being pro," or else they're mistreating you by not having a magical "amateur" league where you get nothing but close matches somehow. That's not the only fallacy you're employing; private definitions of "professional" come to mind: just because someone is "pro" quality does not mean they are getting paid, particularly in video games. But don't worry - no one will ever ask that of you in the first place.

You are literally complaining about bad match results, then snottily refusing to even consider playing better - and then retorting that it's PGI's fault for not having a magical league where somehow all the matches are to your liking. But you're Tier 3! You're not being asked to "play like Messi," you literally already are in the street ball league! And you still cry endlessly about how you get bad matches, supposedly all the time, and it's just so terrible and humiliating... for your stubbornly bad play to have consequences.

Let me be clear. No one should have to pay you to act like a sapient life form. A normal person, with minimal effort, can learn to do any task better, whether or not they ever attain the level of a top player. You are solidly mid-tier, so the nonsense demand that PGI should have a Tier 6 where your magical fairy-matches happen is simply stupid - you wouldn't be there anyways: you're Tier 3! This tells us that you're not getting rolled by mean upper tier players, as you claimed. You just don't like to lose, and have argued for 9 pages that it's your Blake-given right to never lose badly.

Your parents should have explained this to you a long time ago, but let me spell it out: sometimes, you'll have matches where you lose badly. That's all right, and does not mean that you have been mistreated or subjected to some kind of crime. It does not mean that the matchmaker is "broken." It means that in a game of skilled attrition, snowballing happens. If you want to be on the receiving end of the snowball less - which is what you are demanding - then you need to learn how to play more optimally. People are telling you that you can get better results with better tactics and builds because that is the solution to the problem you are complaining about like a spoiled toddler. No amount of obstreperous argument and bad logic on your part will change that.

Throwing a fit will not change the consequences of your actions; either take the solution offered, or admit to yourself that any effort to improve your game was too high a price to obtain what you said you wanted.

Edited by Void Angel, 29 January 2025 - 06:42 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Void Angel, on 29 January 2025 - 06:38 AM, said:

Let me be clear. No one should have to pay you to act like a sapient life form. A normal person, with minimal effort, can learn to do any task better, whether or not they ever attain the level of a top player. You are solidly mid-tier, so the nonsense demand that PGI should have a Tier 6 where your magical fairy-matches happen is simply stupid - you wouldn't be there anyways: you're Tier 3! This tells us that you're not getting rolled by mean upper tier players, as you claimed. You just don't like to lose, and have argued for 9 pages that it's your Blake-given right to never lose badly.

Please show us, how you can "easily" become world championship level football player. You ask me to do exactly this. Because every "normal" person can do it with minimal effort. Are you "normal" person? Please, prove it! That's why I constantly mention pro players. Because you can spend 8hrs/day on playing game and improving your skill to pro level, only if you're paid for it. Otherwise you should have job and therefore don't have time to become pro player.

Tier 3 means nothing, if MM doesn't even try to pick players with closest possible PSR ratings and doesn't even try to balance teams. Tier 3 is essentially "playing against everybody". IRL example of such matchmaking would be exactly what I describe. Street football players would play against Messi, if there wouldn't be any other players available in queue. Is it fair? No. Real truth is - I would never be able to reach top players' level of skill. It's technically impossible. And therefore such game would never be fair.

Almost every online game fails due to exactly the same reason. It tries to be E-Sport, while doesn't provide any incentive for players to become pro E-sportsmen. Paid tournaments? They exist for 20 players around the world. Becoming streamer and creating content for other players? Who would watch it? What devs don't understand, is that any sport exists exactly for this so called "beer league". Competitive content exists exactly for attracting "beer" players purpose. But in order for them to be profitable for game, they should actually be able to PLAY it. Otherwise it would be just "playing on YouTube", that would be profitable for streamers only, while game itself would be dead. That's, what actually happens with this game.

Edited by MrMadguy, 29 January 2025 - 07:25 AM.

[CFC Conky]

Bassault, on 18 December 2024 - 05:37 PM, said:

It's simple. If you play well you get green arrow. Play poorly and you get red arrow. It isn't rocket science. Consider asking for advice or builds from those who are successful. Maybe your hardware is the problem, you might need to do some investigating.

Sometimes you can play well and still get a down arrow. When it happens some players act like it's a crime against humanity.

@OP,
Reading your many posts on this subject, I now firmly believe that it's impossible to make a game and/or matchmaker that you will approve of.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[MrMadguy]

What you and developers don't understand - is this simple truth: