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[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 28 January 2025 - 07:45 PM, said:

Because pro means getting paid. Call me, when PGI will start to pay for being pro player. Otherwise I see no reason to invest effort into improving skill, that isn't useful IRL.

Coming back a month later to double down on your absolute dedication to never doing anything to win your games, and your absolute fixation on demanding that anything and anyone that kills you be nerfed, sanctioned, or otherwise removed, is a hell of a thing to do.

[Void Angel]

MrMadguy, on 28 January 2025 - 07:45 PM, said:

Because pro means getting paid. Call me, when PGI will start to pay for being pro player. Otherwise I see no reason to invest effort into improving skill, that isn't useful IRL.

You keep on trying that silly argument - it's just tiring at this point. You're engaging in a very sloppy logical fallacy called a false dichotomy - either PGI has to "pay you for being pro," or else they're mistreating you by not having a magical "amateur" league where you get nothing but close matches somehow. That's not the only fallacy you're employing; private definitions of "professional" come to mind: just because someone is "pro" quality does not mean they are getting paid, particularly in video games. But don't worry - no one will ever ask that of you in the first place.

You are literally complaining about bad match results, then snottily refusing to even consider playing better - and then retorting that it's PGI's fault for not having a magical league where somehow all the matches are to your liking. But you're Tier 3! You're not being asked to "play like Messi," you literally already are in the street ball league! And you still cry endlessly about how you get bad matches, supposedly all the time, and it's just so terrible and humiliating... for your stubbornly bad play to have consequences.

Let me be clear. No one should have to pay you to act like a sapient life form. A normal person, with minimal effort, can learn to do any task better, whether or not they ever attain the level of a top player. You are solidly mid-tier, so the nonsense demand that PGI should have a Tier 6 where your magical fairy-matches happen is simply stupid - you wouldn't be there anyways: you're Tier 3! This tells us that you're not getting rolled by mean upper tier players, as you claimed. You just don't like to lose, and have argued for 9 pages that it's your Blake-given right to never lose badly.

Your parents should have explained this to you a long time ago, but let me spell it out: sometimes, you'll have matches where you lose badly. That's all right, and does not mean that you have been mistreated or subjected to some kind of crime. It does not mean that the matchmaker is "broken." It means that in a game of skilled attrition, snowballing happens. If you want to be on the receiving end of the snowball less - which is what you are demanding - then you need to learn how to play more optimally. People are telling you that you can get better results with better tactics and builds because that is the solution to the problem you are complaining about like a spoiled toddler. No amount of obstreperous argument and bad logic on your part will change that.

Throwing a fit will not change the consequences of your actions; either take the solution offered, or admit to yourself that any effort to improve your game was too high a price to obtain what you said you wanted.

Edited by Void Angel, Yesterday, 06:42 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Void Angel, on 29 January 2025 - 06:38 AM, said:

Let me be clear. No one should have to pay you to act like a sapient life form. A normal person, with minimal effort, can learn to do any task better, whether or not they ever attain the level of a top player. You are solidly mid-tier, so the nonsense demand that PGI should have a Tier 6 where your magical fairy-matches happen is simply stupid - you wouldn't be there anyways: you're Tier 3! This tells us that you're not getting rolled by mean upper tier players, as you claimed. You just don't like to lose, and have argued for 9 pages that it's your Blake-given right to never lose badly.

Please show us, how you can "easily" become world championship level football player. You ask me to do exactly this. Because every "normal" person can do it with minimal effort. Are you "normal" person? Please, prove it! That's why I constantly mention pro players. Because you can spend 8hrs/day on playing game and improving your skill to pro level, only if you're paid for it. Otherwise you should have job and therefore don't have time to become pro player.

Tier 3 means nothing, if MM doesn't even try to pick players with closest possible PSR ratings and doesn't even try to balance teams. Tier 3 is essentially "playing against everybody". IRL example of such matchmaking would be exactly what I describe. Street football players would play against Messi, if there wouldn't be any other players available in queue. Is it fair? No. Real truth is - I would never be able to reach top players' level of skill. It's technically impossible. And therefore such game would never be fair.

Almost every online game fails due to exactly the same reason. It tries to be E-Sport, while doesn't provide any incentive for players to become pro E-sportsmen. Paid tournaments? They exist for 20 players around the world. Becoming streamer and creating content for other players? Who would watch it? What devs don't understand, is that any sport exists exactly for this so called "beer league". Competitive content exists exactly for attracting "beer" players purpose. But in order for them to be profitable for game, they should actually be able to PLAY it. Otherwise it would be just "playing on YouTube", that would be profitable for streamers only, while game itself would be dead. That's, what actually happens with this game.

Edited by MrMadguy, Yesterday, 07:25 AM.

[CFC Conky]

Bassault, on 18 December 2024 - 05:37 PM, said:

It's simple. If you play well you get green arrow. Play poorly and you get red arrow. It isn't rocket science. Consider asking for advice or builds from those who are successful. Maybe your hardware is the problem, you might need to do some investigating.

Sometimes you can play well and still get a down arrow. When it happens some players act like it's a crime against humanity.

@OP,
Reading your many posts on this subject, I now firmly believe that it's impossible to make a game and/or matchmaker that you will approve of.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[MrMadguy]

What you and developers don't understand - is this simple truth:

[Void Angel]

Again,

Void Angel, on 29 January 2025 - 06:38 AM, said:

You're not being asked to "play like Messi," you literally already are in the street ball league! And you still cry endlessly about how you get bad matches, supposedly all the time, and it's just so terrible and humiliating... for your stubbornly bad play to have consequences.

So the straw man you spent two paragraphs babbling about doesn't even apply to this conversation - that's a deliberate distortion that you have kept on bringing back up so that you can "debunk" a fake argument. You're not good at it; it's embarrassing - it's also a form of lying. Meanwhile, what you've actually been asked to do is look at your builds and playing tactics and see what you could do better. Claiming that you must either "spend 8 hours a day learning to be pro," or else refuse to learn anything new is a false dichotomy. Again. All you're being told to do is learn new things by doing. This is the level of sapience literally possessed by a dog, and you resent being asked to use it.


As you have been told before, ad nauseum, the matchmaker very much does try to match players with the closest possible match scores. The fact that you can, very occasionally, get higher tier players in your matches doesn't change that fact. Stupid metaphors about soccer leagues doesn't change that fact. In fact, if you want to use a soccer metaphor, you should say that since there is only one place to play, Messi might have to reluctantly play with lower-level players on his team and against him. That's different than the poor street footballers being arbitrarily forced into playing with a pro because the matchmaker doesn't care.

PS: Can you cite a source for your claim that "almost" all online games somehow meet their demise from "trying to be E-Sports," by the way? No, because you made that up out of whole cloth - it's an opinion, from someone who refuses to learn anything about the game he's playing. Why should we listen to your opinion about how games you don't know how to play very well (or at all) have failed?

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 29 January 2025 - 08:44 AM, said:

stuff

This is a game. You are supposed to play and become more skilled. When you become more skilled, you overcome challenges. In overcoming challenges you become more skilled.

If you don't want to become more skilled, then you're not actually interested in playing.

You continue to conflate learning how to play better with "being competitive" and continue to insinuate competitiveness is tantamount to cheating.

Neither thing is true, and you are not a victim. Everything you are doing is your choice, and everything you are experiencing is an obvious consequence of your choices.

[GargoyleVine]

CFC Conky, on 29 January 2025 - 08:39 AM, said:

Sometimes you can play well and still get a down arrow. When it happens some players act like it's a crime against humanity.

@OP,
Reading your many posts on this subject, I now firmly believe that it's impossible to make a game and/or matchmaker that you will approve of.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

GG last night brother

[LordNothing]

all players peak somewhere. at some point the cost of improving is simply too high and you would just rather play with your own kind. some bowlers join leagues, but most just want to knock down some pins.

Edited by LordNothing, Yesterday, 09:22 PM.

[MrMadguy]

Void Angel, on 29 January 2025 - 08:44 AM, said:

very occasionally

Problem is - this "very occasionally" is now ">75% of time". It was tolerable for me, when it was 50/50 + lower during events. 75% isn't tolerable, sorry.

pbiggz, on 29 January 2025 - 12:33 PM, said:

This is a game. You are supposed to play and become more skilled. When you become more skilled, you overcome challenges. In overcoming challenges you become more skilled.

What you describe isn't game. It's sport. And even in sport skill can have limitations. Top players are talented. Talent - is about some random genetic factors. You can't be talented, because you want to be talented. I shouldn't be required to be talented to play each and every video game in this world. It's nonsense.

Edited by MrMadguy, Today, 01:45 AM.

[Void Angel]

MrMadguy, on 30 January 2025 - 01:38 AM, said:

Problem is - this "very occasionally" is now ">75% of time". It was tolerable for me, when it was 50/50 + lower during events. 75% isn't tolerable, sorry.

And can you prove this wild allegation, or did you just make that up, too? Just because one player turns in a good performance relative to their peers, it does not follow that they must somehow be Tier 1 or "pro."

PS: The greatest determinant of skill isn't "talent" that magically happens to people to make them 1337. It's practice; effort - your laziness has consequences that you cannot shuffle off onto the perfectly functional matchmaker.

[Ken Harkin]

Oh god make it stop... Every sane person here, please look at his name and then evaluate the worth of continuing the debate. Some men just want to see the world burn and on the internet they occasionally even name themselves as such.