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[Kamiko Kross]

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

Again. Games aren't sport. Improving in video games means nothing. Games are meant to be played. You can treat online games as E-Sport, it's your choice, but it doesn't mean everybody should do the same. It's game and I play it how I like, how I want and how I can.

Agree.
But, you should be trying to do your best. "I play it how I like" is a statement that can mean many things-what it should not mean is play in a way that actively hurts other's enjoyment of the game. That statement is often used by people who do just that.
People who care enough to want to do their best are not "esport enjoyers."
"Improving in video games means nothing" is exactly the statement tom make me think you are the type of player that does hurt other's enjoyment and willingly does so, and sadly doesn't even care what harm they do.
If you think that improving at an activity that you do means nothing then by that logic wanting to do anything well is meaningless. That means your job, other hobbies (including sport), study etc are all meaningless goals.
That is a shocking way to think and act.
You should care about everything you do in life, as you only get each moment once with no do overs. Time is precious-the most precious thing you never own.

[Bigbacon]

Game is still destroyed by 3/4 man group drops in solo queue. EVERY TIME. Unplayable.

3/4 mans should be forced to group queue.

Edited by Bigbacon, 02 April 2025 - 06:25 AM.

[Ken Harkin]

Bigbacon, on 02 April 2025 - 06:25 AM, said:

Game is still destroyed by 3/4 man group drops in solo queue. EVERY TIME. Unplayable.

3/4 mans should be forced to group queue.

That means there are 3/4 man groups usually on BOTH SIDES. It is a wash. This is the same old complaint and gets the same old heave ho. Make a game that you can't play with your friends and it will be dead. Four man groups is a solid compromise, deal with it and communicate better.

[Djinnhammer]

Bigbacon, on 02 April 2025 - 06:25 AM, said:

Game is still destroyed by 3/4 man group drops in solo queue. EVERY TIME. Unplayable.

3/4 mans should be forced to group queue.

Game is destroyed by the attitude of the playerbase.
Refusing to group up,speak and socialise. treating a team based, multiplayer game as a solo game.
Let me turn your statement on it's head:
Solos should be forced to socialise and teamplay.

Groups and people who teamwork/.socialise are not, and never have been the issue. The attitude and behaviour of the general playerbase is mwo's biggest problem.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

I'm wrong, because I say, that street football players should play against street football players and world championship players should play against world champion ship ones? I'm wrong, because I say, that Messi shouldn't be allowed to seal-club 5yr old kids? I'm wrong, because I say, that each player should play in his league? Ok, I'm wrong, yeah.

You aren't playing against messi. You aren't being seal clubbed. Every time you say you are, we all know you're a liar.

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

Seal clubbing - is major problem of all PVP online games. If there are seal-clubbers, using "git gud" as excuse for doing what they do - there should always be seals to club.

You aren't being seal clubbed. You aren't playing against messi. You. Are. Lying.

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

Problem is - nobody asks seals, if they want to be clubbed. As result, major part of playerbase quits. And it leads to pro players boiling in their niche can of worms. But you can keep telling me, that what you do - is 100% ok, and that I'm wrong.

There is no great player exodus because of seal clubbing. There is no great player exodus period. The population is stable. You are lying.

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

Again. Games aren't sport. Improving in video games means nothing. Games are meant to be played. You can treat online games as E-Sport, it's your choice, but it doesn't mean everybody should do the same.

You aren't playing an esport. You're in quick play, at Tier 3/4. You are not playing against messi. Not everyone who kills you is a competitive god. You are lying.

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

It's game and I play it how I like, how I want and how I can.

Then you're going to keep losing. You don't want to learn, and you don't think its fair that anyone can be better at the game than you, so you're going to keep losing.

That's how this works. This is the consequences of a specific series of choices which you are making deliberately and openly. Live with them, or change. Those are your only options. Screaming, crying, accusing everyone around you of cheating and bullying; those are not options that are available to you. You don't get to play the victim.

Bigbacon, on 02 April 2025 - 06:25 AM, said:

Game is still destroyed by 3/4 man group drops in solo queue. EVERY TIME. Unplayable.

3/4 mans should be forced to group queue.

Soft banning people who have friends because you think you'll win more is not a valid position to take. You aren't losing because some people have friends. Get a grip.

Edited by pbiggz, 02 April 2025 - 07:13 AM.

[pattonesque]

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:23 PM, said:

I'm wrong, because I say, that street football players should play against street football players and world championship players should play against world champion ship ones? I'm wrong, because I say, that Messi shouldn't be allowed to seal-club 5yr old kids? I'm wrong, because I say, that each player should play in his league? Ok, I'm wrong, yeah.

Seal clubbing - is major problem of all PVP online games. If there are seal-clubbers, using "git gud" as excuse for doing what they do - there should always be seals to club. Problem is - nobody asks seals, if they want to be clubbed. As result, major part of playerbase quits. And it leads to pro players boiling in their niche can of worms. But you can keep telling me, that what you do - is 100% ok, and that I'm wrong.

Again. Games aren't sport. Improving in video games means nothing. Games are meant to be played. You can treat online games as E-Sport, it's your choice, but it doesn't mean everybody should do the same. It's game and I play it how I like, how I want and how I can.

you can play the game how you want but the game, which is a competitive one against other players with agency, is under no obligation to respect your choices.

If I go and play basketball and every time I get the ball I hurl a behind-the-back shot in the general direction of the rim regardless of where I am (this is how I have fun, you see) does that mean that basketball is a poorly designed sport because I constantly lose? It doesn't matter whether you're playing fifth graders or LeBron James, if you play the game wrong you will lose.

[Ilfi]

I greatly enjoyed reading this thread. OP is hilarious.

Soup queue is working as intended. The game's old. It's way too late to improve anything, unless you can convince someone to outright disable Alpine or Conquest in Quick Play. Honestly, I'm surprised Sean is still doing his reps for NGNG given PGI more or less kicked the bucket.

Be glad people are still queuing up 24/7. Other games-- arguably better games-- can't say the same. The game works, most of the maps are playable (most), and even trash garbage builds like LRM Assaults can deal enough damage to score a kill. Is it frustrating to see people actively harm their teams by playing poorly? Sure. But ultimately it's a 50/50 in terms of what team they're on, so it's not worth sweating. As long as players are doing their best and having a good time, that's good enough.

I cannot even begin to imagine getting mad about MWO, let alone a single player in a single match. It's solved. It's done. It's a zero stakes game that people boot up to kill time. Treat it as such.

[Void Angel]

Conquest is fine; it's just that people avoid it and thus get... confused when it comes up. It's basically just Skirmish, but you have to pay attention to a real alternative win condition - if nothing else, it keeps you from having to chase Lights and Shadow Cats all over creation because they want to protect their KDR.

Alpine Peaks, though? I hate that map. It's just so lopsided in the advantage it gives long-ranged builds, and it stands as a monument to the truculent stubbornness of some of MWO's player base. Because that stupid map was rightly despised; it won votes on which map to fix first - right up until PGI announced that they were redoing the map. That revamped map became the original Polar Highlands, but before it was even released, suddenly people were crawling out of the septic system saying how "good" a map Alpine was...

Hate that map. So much. The adjusted spawn points help, but not enough.

[hailharkzounds]

martian, on 15 December 2024 - 09:27 AM, said:

Eventually, you will end up in a Tier populated by the players who use the same kind of 'Mechs and builds as you use, and who play the game the same way that you play it.

If only that were true. To flog the obvious: The population is too low for consistent separation of skill levels. Add in the decision, under the debatable premise this improves overall player retention, to mix coordinated groups and solo players. The result is that for a solo player of average skills the game is frequently unplayable to any satisfactory degree.

Edited by hailharkzounds, 03 April 2025 - 08:51 AM.

[Void Angel]

Actually it kind of is true. Madguy has been bumping back and forth between Tier 4 and Tier 3 for the entire length of the thread. He's actually right where he belongs.

There's not enough population to separate out the highest and lowest players, sure - but it works great for people like Madguy, who refuse to learn to play well, but can't help but pick up some basic piloting skills despite themselves.

[pbiggz]

hailharkzounds, on 03 April 2025 - 07:54 AM, said:

If only that were true. To flog the obvious: The population is too low for consistent separation of skill levels. Add in the decision, under the debatable premise this improves overall player retention, to mix coordinated groups and solo players. The result is that for a solo player of average skills the game is frequently unplayable to any satisfactory degree.

Tier 1 matches and Tier 5 matches are very different. You can assert that its a soupy mess all you like but you have no more evidence that you're being forced to play soccer with Messi than Madguy does. People just dont like losing, and dont like accepting when its their vault that they lost.

[GreyNovember]

If my garabge aim for leading projectiles, missing half of my shots with Gauss/PPC as I run out of ammo or overheat, and my end of match showing a positive PSR rank with 300~ damage done with maybe ONE kill with a chassis and playstyle I'm terrible at is any indication, the average player's ability to outdo me in match score is actually quite low.

[pattonesque]

Void Angel, on 03 April 2025 - 09:39 AM, said:

Actually it kind of is true. Madguy has been bumping back and forth between Tier 4 and Tier 3 for the entire length of the thread. He's actually right where he belongs.

There's not enough population to separate out the highest and lowest players, sure - but it works great for people like Madguy, who refuse to learn to play well, but can't help but pick up some basic piloting skills despite themselves.

UMMM excuse me, he is actually an INCREDIBLE and BRILLIANT pilot. It's just that he keeps getting UNFAIRLY MATCHED UP against PEOPLE WHO CAN AIM.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

...idk why it's humiliating to get beat by a high end player

it's not exactly a great experience but it's more a "yeah saw that coming"

humiliating would be getting demolished by someone you had no excuse getting demolished by, due to mech or tier/skill or both

and even then you could just shake it off and take a s#!t happens approach and switch things up so it doesn't become a pattern idk because you're gonna have Those Days

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 03 April 2025 - 04:31 PM.

[Void Angel]

It's not, 5. He feels humiliated because he feels entitled to get wins - no matter what he brings to the match, and no matter how he plays it. When this narcissistic entitlement fantasy goes unfulfilled, he gets frustrated - and then channels that into anger at the unfair matchmaker that's victimizing him by not giving him all easy games where he's "allowed" to show his 1337 XL Atlas skills for 1000+ damage. As is his right.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

who tf is Messi and why does he want to club me though

or does he want to take me to a club? that's kind of weird but okay

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 04 April 2025 - 01:11 AM.

[Void Angel]

a 5 year old with an Uzi, on 04 April 2025 - 01:08 AM, said:

who tf is Messi and why does he want to club me though

or does he want to take me to a club? that's kind of weird but okay

He's a world-class famous soccer star - apparently that's what it takes to outperform an XL Atlas. =]

[pbiggz]

a 5 year old with an Uzi, on 04 April 2025 - 01:08 AM, said:

who tf is Messi and why does he want to club me though

or does he want to take me to a club? that's kind of weird but okay

Madguy is either convinced of, or at least committed to pushing the notion, that every single person who has ever killed him has been some kind of competitive god who is only in a match with him because they're making secret smurf accounts to farm him personally.

Its a psychotic victim complex.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

so I gather that Madguy feels he belongs in T3 (minimum) from what he's said, correct?

observations:

he seems to play a lot of assaults, LRMs, likes big numbers and is a feast or famine over consistency type (looks better in screenshots on a big win), professes he is doing fine in his own right but covertly and overtly rejects his own agency at his convenience (he is highly dependent on his team I would surmise but would never admit that) but seems to not realize what he is saying about himself there

cool this has been an enlightening thread but not in the way Madguy thinks

I haven't actually seen one of these in the wild before to my knowledge tbh holy damn, call me sheltered

wait no there's definitely one other but he doesn't play video games pretty sure

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 04 April 2025 - 07:37 PM.

[1453 R]

Madguy doesn't necessarily feel like he belongs in any given tier. What he believes is that he's just a scrappy little ordinary guy who deserves to play against other Ordinary Guys, such that he gets a minimum of eight hundred damage and three kills in absolutely every single match he plays after they ALL come down to 12-11 nailbiters where he personally gets to be a team carrying superhero.

Madguy is not actually interested in fair and impartial matchmaking, despite what he vociferously claims. He, in fact, despises fair and impartial matchmaking. What he wants is for the game to feed him smashing victory after smashing victory, endlessly, without any effort invested on his part and regardless of what he's piloting or how much he's had to drink. He doesn't WANT to advance in tier because that would give him one less excuse to avoid owning his own suck with.